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MS should of just kept quiet on what they were working with @ the time. That was their first a biggest mistake of all in my opinion; they set a deadline for themselves that couldn't meet the requirements and the schedule for "what should of been" went down to hell.

They let their consumer base get too involved and it cost them.

You do know how to do searches in Google don't you? Google has all the evidence you need.

If you want to find clueless self-appointed computer experts who just bash Vista in their blogs.

I can do a search and say i have evidence that OSX is better than windows (YouTube user comment), Windows is better than OSX (YouTube user comment), Linux is better than OSX (Random blog), etc.....

I agree it should not be date driven but quality control driven.

One word: Shareholders.

They expect Microsoft to set a time frame for product delivery. It would take a CEO with serious balls to go against this practice. (I'm not going to name examples, to avoid flames.)

One word: Shareholders.

They expect Microsoft to set a time frame for product delivery. It would take a CEO with serious balls to go against this practice. (I'm not going to name examples, to avoid flames.)

It's a lot more complicated than that. If you're going to deliver a good product, you need a good plan. It's very hard to plan farther out than a few years in this industry because things change so rapidly. If you plan well, you can have reasonable deadlines / targets. As you execute on the plan, you should be able to track your progress against it, and if you aren't meeting your goals then you will have to miss your dates or sacrifice features / quality.

The goal, though, is to have a good plan and to execute well against it. Then you meet your dates and have great quality.

I wish the MS execs would just keep their mouths shut and take a leaf from the Apple book and not talk about it until its ready. That way people can't moan at you for taking feature x out before release.

Has anyone talked about Win 7? Other than the fact that it exists and will have x86 and x64 flavors?

Has anyone talked about Win 7? Other than the fact that it exists and will have x86 and x64 flavors?

Not really, but what I mean is not do the same thing they did with vista. Tell everyone about the new features before they're ready, and then pull them out after getting everyones hopes up, and then getting moaned and flamed at. Just keep it internal until its fully coded and the decision has been made it will 100% be part of the new release.

Not really, but what I mean is not do the same thing they did with vista. Tell everyone about the new features before they're ready, and then pull them out after getting everyones hopes up, and then getting moaned and flamed at. Just keep it internal until its fully coded and the decision has been made it will 100% be part of the new release.

Well I don't think they ever planned Longhorn/Vista to happen that way. Unfortunately things didn't go according to the plan.

I agree with you for the most part, but at some point there will be beta releases, and there's no way to guarantee that everything in the beta releases will still be there when the product is finished. The changes should be minimized as much as possible, yes, but there's no way to say something will be 100% a part of the release and still be able to get broad, comprehensive testing of it at a point early enough that the feedback is actionable.

You're right, Win7 info should come out little by little at those two big shows because the hardware and software developers NEED to have this info. That doesn't mean MS has to go into details about some big features that don't effect hardware or software though. Vista had a new driver model and all the new software APIs like WPF and so on that they had to talk about early on. Those are known and I doubt would change much if at all in Win7 so for now MS probably doesn't have anything that developers need to know about.

I just wonder who is gonna run x86 flavor. Nobody...

I run x86 on my laptop. It's a Macbook with 2GB of RAM, no reason to run a 64-bit OS on it. I don't even know if Apple's Vista drivers support x64 on the regular Macbooks.

I run x86 on my laptop. It's a Macbook with 2GB of RAM, no reason to run a 64-bit OS on it. I don't even know if Apple's Vista drivers support x64 on the regular Macbooks.

As I've pointed out before: The first generation MacBooks didn't even have 64-bit processors in them. That was not that long ago, and those machines are still pretty fast (Core Duos)

one feature i'll really want is that it'll be modular as rumored ... i wouldn't to use vlite or 7lite :p that time to cut down unnecessary components that i'll never use. even better is if they have Dell like choice of components, that way everybody can have their own version of W7..

*wakes up* :p

MS will get stuck in deelopement of 7. This time instead of firing develpers and threatening their jobs and making them work 12-16 hour days they will evenually turn 7 into an open source developement. I think they are tired of getting sued by companies they stole ideas from.

MS will get stuck in deelopement of 7. This time instead of firing develpers and threatening their jobs and making them work 12-16 hour days they will evenually turn 7 into an open source developement. I think they are tired of getting sued by companies they stole ideas from.

lol@troll

MS will get stuck in deelopement of 7. This time instead of firing develpers and threatening their jobs and making them work 12-16 hour days they will evenually turn 7 into an open source developement. I think they are tired of getting sued by companies they stole ideas from.

You have a very strange and befuddling view of employment at Microsoft.

MS will get stuck in deelopement of 7. This time instead of firing develpers and threatening their jobs and making them work 12-16 hour days they will evenually turn 7 into an open source developement. I think they are tired of getting sued by companies they stole ideas from.

What?

MS should of just kept quiet on what they were working with @ the time.

They let their consumer base get too involved and it cost them.

Apple made that mistake for me as a consumer of their products that caused me to sell my Mac and get a PC. Its the reason (the hardware secrecy and cost) and lack of patches on a timely basis, leaving features out and not updating software (Java 6 for PPC and intel took over a year).

I'm using XP SP3 and I continue to run into the problems with the OS that I took for granted when using a Mac. If MS wants to take this seriously, they should seek more open feedback with the public. Being a Beta tester for XP, I just used XP because it was a heck of a lot better than 98. I never submitted feedback because it was too time consuming.

At the least, I'd like to see MS add read/write ZFS access. Apple is adding it, the Unix and Linux clients are too. I found the need for it since a lot of people are using VMs or switching between platforms at home and the workplace. ZFS seems like it could be at least OS agnostic.

I still find it funny how everyone hates on Vista. I don't think it was a huge accomplishment since it left out big additions to get it out in time (like WinFS and VHDs) I run my own IT business and I keep my clients workstations on XP due to proprietary software. However I do run Vista 32bit on my work laptop and Vista x64 on my desktop. I have had no major issues with either one. There are a couple small handy features such as the new Windows Migration tool that will back up all your settings including Outlooks settings and email account settings which is handy when you have multiple accounts.

OSs react to diff comptuers differently, just ask all HP AMD owners :)

They need to take their time with Windows 7 so that all the features everyone was excited about in Vista will be finalized, stable,. and included.

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