Jay-Z 1, Racism 0

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Haha absolutely brilliant, hats off Jay-Z. He was on the Jonathan Ross show on Friday, good guy (Y)

As for Oasis, shutup. Oasis/Gallagher brothers are a bunch of arrogant cocks at times. I seriously dislike them. The MUSIC they make is good though.

As for this being attached to racism. Just no.

It's about music tastes/interests, and I can see why a typically indie/rock festival was strange for a Hip-Hop headliner - But this proved it can be done, so there. People running about attaching genres of music to racism are ignorant ######. People are racist, not music (N) (unless you want to start bringing up distasteful songs, but that's not my point).

Drives me around the bend when people start attaching hip-hop/rap to racism.

If someone says "I don't listen to Hip-Hop because mostly black people make it", leave hip-hop out of it, that person is just being racist full stop, unless they have a genuinely decent reason. Nothing to do with music.

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And most people hate rap usic because they think it is ****

me personally really don't care for it, there are a very few exceptions of rap songs that are somewhat good, though they aren't usually pure rap. However I do't care to join the rap flae threads or such, because they're defended by peopel like you who defend it like religius people defend their religion, but mostly because I accept that people have different tastes and some people actually liek rap, well good for them, but don't expect me or anyone else to like it.

and YOU started a thread where you attacked ANYONE who don't like rap. this is actually sadly common for those who like rap, they expect everyone else to like it because it's so good and better than every other music(in their mind).

Accept that rap isn't better than other music, accept that not all people will like it, and accept that most people especially those running a rock festival will not want rap artists at a "rock" festival.

Go start a rap festival and invite all the rap artists you want, and we primise not to call you a racist when you refuse to invite Iron Maiden with 50 cent and Jay z and whatever.

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Glastonbury may be a "rock" festival but they still allow R&B and crappy pop acts to play - why does Hip-Hop change anything?

He still performed with a LIVE backing band, the only difference was that he was rapping not singing.

Plus they have had the Chemical Brothers on main stage before and all they do is play records.

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glasto is not just about rock/indie music.. it is pitched as 'festival of the contemporary performing arts'. this includes rock, indie, jazz, rap, hip hop, dance, big band, ethnic and loads of others

for this reason, hip hop certainly has a place there... and what sets jay z apart from the likes of fifty cent etc (

) is that his raps are on the most part intelligent, interesting to listen to, and not just about 'rolling on 20s doing drive bys' etc etc

i despair sometimes over the ignorance of some people

Plus they have had the Chemical Brothers on main stage before and all they do is play records.

rofl, i think generally they 'create' their own records again live, with a bit of messing about.... not just stick a cd on :)

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That is pretty crappy. However as far as things go, I've seen 50 being a complete moron far more than I've seen/read anything bad about Jay-Z.

Some people just draw bad attention because they are idiots/morons, it's nothing to do with the music/skin colour.

However bottling an act is just disrespectful. You shouldn't be there if you aren't interested. It's a music festival FFS - Go watch one of the other 20 acts on at the same time, and stop wasting your time being an *******.

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Haha absolutely brilliant, hats off Jay-Z. He was on the Jonathan Ross show on Friday, good guy

I only caught the end but he seemed to handle himself well against Jonathan Ross, and that is no easy task for anyone! :) Struck me as a genuine guy and that's all you can really ask of anyone. Would like to have seen it all.

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glasto is not just about rock/indie music.. it is pitched as 'festival of the contemporary performing arts'. this includes rock, indie, jazz, rap, hip hop, dance, big band, ethnic and loads of others

for this reason, hip hop certainly has a place there... and what sets jay z apart from the likes of fifty cent etc (

) is that his raps are on the most part intelligent, interesting to listen to, and not just about 'rolling on 20s doing drive bys' etc etc

i despair sometimes over the ignorance of some people

rofl, i think generally they 'create' their own records again live, with a bit of messing about.... not just stick a cd on :)

Sure it's grown into a festival for many genres but implying that racism was the main issue on why he wasn't wanted is just flat out wrong.

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Also C-Squarez, why are u constantly implying that if someone doesn't like rap/hip-hop, then they are racist? Why try create a problem that doesn't exist? It's a ridiculous assumption based on your theory that not liking rap = white & racist.

:huh:

Some people hate rock music because they hate white people. See how I can do that?

Some people do.

Surely you're not generalizing that the people who didn't want Jay-Z there at Glastonbury didn't like his skin color?

Not everyone, but most.

As far as I can see, all in this thread have just asked how you managed to get from Noel Gallagher not liking Hip-Hop, to you believing that is an issue of racism.

Have you not been reading?

I think it illustrates that I'd be a peculiar type of racist, at the very least, and that not everyone who doesn't care for hip-hop has a seething hatred for black people. Just remove the chip from your shoulder and you'll find the world is a much brighter place than you clearly think it is.

Yeah, you can be a peculiar one. I have an associate of mine that does not trust black people, uses the N word and laughs at black face. But he likes me. :huh: He told me that I am not a "typical" black person so I am cool. So yes, some racists are not pure racist. We can even call it partial racial bias.

And let's not go to personal attacks please. I don't want to go up to an 80% warn just because I attack you. The first thing you will do is call a mod so let's not get into it. I have learned my lesson when it comes to arguing on internet boards.

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I agree with everybody else and this has nothing to do with racism but consider this: Noel Gallagher had no problem with the Chemical Brothers at Glastonbury and he even likes them. And they are far from "guitar music". So what is his real problem with hip hop?

As I said the Gallagher brothers just have big mouths they open far too often and speak complete ######.

I have no idea if they are racist guys (the comments they made aren't racist), but they are arrogant loud mouths fairly often.

Glad they were proven wrong, and I hope the Wonderwall act fumes them off - Because really, they wont be the type to take that as a funny joke, they'll no doubt be annoyed and hit back with some stupid comment in the tabloids.

And would everyone please stop grinding on about racism (N) The headline of this topic is a field day for many though...

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Hip Hop encompasses multiple genres of music, just like Hip Hop has influence over other genres of music. Not saying one can not be successful without the other, but many look upon hip hop as "black music" and there is nothing that could be further from the truth. As a matter of fact, white audiences support and purchase hip hop more than any other racial group. I can see the thread starters point although not conveyed well that hip hop music has a particular stereotype associated with it and many people may refuse to book hip hop acts because of "the element associated with it." Many fans take pride when a cross over attempt such as this happens and is received successfully. To accept hip hop is to accept black culture. Not to say that to hate hip hop is to not accept black culture (although that would be an interesting poll), but hip hop still represents youth and rebellion and fans usually take a lot of pride and passion in it. When it is well received, it is like a win against "the system" that promotes conformity and not individuality.

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So what is his real problem with hip hop?

I don't think he said he had a problem with hip-hop per se. He said that it didn't belong at Glastonbury. That makes him a little prehistoric, yes, even a little pompous. But racist? I don't see how you can reach that conclusion. He's just a purist and they are always hard to negotiate with.

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C-Squarez:

In your own interest I suggest you engage your brain first before making ridiculous accusations like in the first post of this thread.

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TheDogsBed

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Yeah, you can be a peculiar one.... So yes, some racists are not pure racist. We can even call it partial racial bias.

Hmm, I can't really defend against that can I? I guess you must be right and I'm an out and out racist. Without you, I'd never have been aware of it. Curses. If it hadn't have been for that hip-hop music, I could have really got on with black people! Damn.

I don't want to go up to an 80% warn just because I attack you. The first thing you will do is call a mod so let's not get into it.

lol You clearly don't know me do you? I think if I was to call a mod, they'd all suddenly turn deaf. You're not the only one with elevated warning status you know. :) Feel free to call me all you like. I always enjoy the laugh of people calling me names over the Internet. It tells me that I've managed to get under their skin. :)

Anyway, it's clear there is never going to be any convincing you that not liking hip-hop does not mean that person is racist. It's a childish conclusion to reach and shows me that you have a major chip on your shoulder which you need to brush off. You seem to think everyone is preoccupied with the issue of race. It strikes me that it is on your mind far more than it is on the mind of many others.

I shall leave you to wallow in your loathing of humanity, based on a bizarre misconception.

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The notion that 'most people' who didn't want Jay-Z to headline Glastonbury was because of his skin colour is absurd and neglects to take into account the rich musical history of the festival.

agreed, i think most people think the same

can we now close this silly thread?

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Long story short, many African-American people view Hip-Hop with racial pride, and discriminating against hip-hop is viewed as a personal insult (even though the lyrics are usually far more insulting)...

That being said, C-Squarez... Jay-Z headlining Glastonbury is like putting The Beatles on B.E.T. (AKA - Black Entertainment Television, for those that don't know) Would they not play The Beatles because they are White? Of course not, BET plays a lot of white people, most being half-naked females, but that is beside the point. BET isn't know for playing Rock music, so why should they start now? Queue, "If it ain't broke don't fix it" via Noel Gallagher.

I can only hope when Obama becomes our next President, African-American people will stop pulling the race card at the first sign of diversity. It's absolutely ridiculous!

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No its not. The fact that you brought it up is more racist if anything. Liking a certain type of music is not mutually exclusive with a certain race. Especially when according to the music industry, close to 80 percent of all hip-hop records are purchased by white, mainly male, youth.

Nice try playing the race card though. Picking out certain statements and posts does not make a community as a whole racist.

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Why is nobody talking about the fact that, that was a ****ing terrible cover of wonder wall? Totally ruined it, didn't know half the words, and generally just a **** poor performance.

That right there, is why he should never play Glastonbury, ever again.

Stick to what your good at.

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