Hitler Returns to Berlin

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

Wow, here is where I leave this conversation. JWJW1 - I am not saying whether I agree or disagree with your post - as I have no intention of offending anyone. But I will say - I have mulled that possibility before.

[zeta_immersion]

wow, first 2 posts then i stopped reading....

while hitler was bad he must not be forgotten, ignored, but remembered, the same thing can be said about the holocaust (why not forget about that too) or countless genocides (stalin, apartheid) ...

this was a bold move from the museum but a smart one none the less ...

[Dev Null Zen]

I think Hitler was a mastermind..

More leaders like him would be great!

I wholeheartedly agree. But only as long as they have different goals.

Concerning the museum, people that are up in arms about this must be crazy. You can't pick and choose the history of humanity. His time in power helped shape a large portion of the world.

[4CxbqFxVnstmA Veteran]

The should have had him posed in the middle of taking the poison, so people will stop believing he flew off to South America.

[jwjw1]

Wow, here is where I leave this conversation. JWJW1 - I am not saying whether I agree or disagree with your post - as I have no intention of offending anyone. But I will say - I have mulled that possibility before.

I am by far not trying to offend anyone..or even suggest it start..its just my honest opinion and observation..I have several jewish friends..and you find they never talk about the stuggles in the bible days of wondering around the desert for 40 years...but will not hesitate to jump to the 1940's.

(only forget what doesn't benefit us mentality)

Edited July 4, 2008 by jwjw1

[Rappy Veteran]

Did anyone ever find Hitlers body?

[valhalla_rk]

I think Hitler was a mastermind..

More leaders like him would be great!

yeah, i would love to have killer dictator, rasict demagogic person... who is main goal is to slain.

not to mention gasing your own citizens and stealing from other people to make himself reach/

[ninjamunky]

It's a part of history and people need to face their fears. If they still have fears from the war then they have not been fully recovered.

[Dev Null Zen]

yeah, i would love to have killer dictator, rasict demagogic person... who is main goal is to slain.

not to mention gasing your own citizens and stealing from other people to make himself reach/

Assuming your Israeli, judging by your location. "racist and demagogic person"; you know, that description can fit well to Menachem Begin & Ariel Sharon as well. If you think for a minute that the history of Israel is all that pretty when compared to that of Germany, your completely clueless. Hell, there is even Jewish organizations that are for Israel being dissolved.

[-Vivicidal-]

I'm not sure what some people think but when you say German I don't think Nazi.

[Rebdomine]

Did anyone ever find Hitlers body?

he got burned, which was his own decision

[RAID 0]

somtimes i think the jews still need hitler...in order to keep the jewish genocide alive and expect the attention...I think what happen to the jewish people is sad...but no sadder than what happen during the Armenian Genocide....do i think the jews really want 'Hitler' and 'History'..to disappear...i doubt it very much. How else will they bring up their struggle.

If you can't let go, how can you move on?

About my first comment; I never said I wanted to forget him or erase history. To me, it's beating the same dead horse, or German... if you will. I think there needs to be some wax figures picking cotton, and others standing around with whips. I know it's a part of history and must be acknowledged, but it just gets old after seeing and hearing about it ump-teen times. That's all I'm saying.

[bloodrain]

Hitler was a great leader, people dont understand that.

[revvo]

somtimes i think the jews still need hitler...in order to keep the jewish genocide alive and expect the attention...I think what happen to the jewish people is sad...but no sadder than what happen during the Armenian Genocide....do i think the jews really want 'Hitler' and 'History'..to disappear...i doubt it very much. How else will they bring up their struggle.

Indeed, although the Armenian Genocide is a complicated case, one where Turkey denies of its past, having denied the actions of the Ottoman Empire versus Germany that obviously accepts its mistakes and is doing everything it can to make sure that this will not happen in the future, with strict laws, etc.

Is it wrong to display one of the worst leaders in the world in a museum? That's what it's for. You're not suppose to only remember the positive and great things in history, but every single thing to learn from it.

[remix17]

Is it wrong to display one of the worst leaders in the world in a museum? That's what it's for. You're not suppose to only remember the positive and great things in history, but every single thing to learn from it.

Worst leader? I'd say he was one of the greatest and most influential leaders the world has ever known. What he did was undeniably horrible, but lets not underestimate his leadership skills.

[valhalla_rk]

meanwhile, the head of hitler was capped

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/0...tler/index.html

lol

Assuming your Israeli, judging by your location. "racist and demagogic person"; you know, that description can fit well to Menachem Begin & Ariel Sharon as well. If you think for a minute that the history of Israel is all that pretty when compared to that of Germany, your completely clueless. Hell, there is even Jewish organizations that are for Israel being dissolved.

as i may not answer about that... it was not the whole sentence.

[bobbba]

Hitler was a great leader, people dont understand that.

I wonder why genius... :wacko: :rolleyes:

[jabba1974]

i'm really angry about the beheaded Hitler.

how does it come that people are not able to handle history, even if they werent part of it.

a 41 year old man ripped Hitlers head off. So he was born in 1967 where Hitler and all of his regime were long gone.

Hitler is a part of germanys history, not a good one, but still a part. So the wax-Hitler belongs into that museum.

As someone already mentionend, the setting and presentation was appropriate. He was shown in his last Bunker as a broken man shortly before the war was over and he killed himself. There was a sign which told every visitor that in respect to all the casualties all fotographs and even touching the wax-statue or posing with it were forbidden (despite the other statues in the museum).

btw in Londons Madame Tussauds is a Hitler too...it's part of their history as well.

[Dev Null Zen]

as i may not answer about that... it was not the whole sentence.

Why even bother to make a response to what I said, if you can't even answer coherently? Speaking nonsense doesn't change any of the facts.

[Shadow Dragon]

I think it's strange how everyone can "agree" that Hitler was "evil". Despite the fact I have yet to see anyone define evil.

Hitler only wanted the best for his people, by any means possible, during the process he managed to indirectly kill some 2 million jews (along with some gypsies, homosexuals and others). We can say the active killing of the 2 million people was a despicable act, but are we all that much better? If the only scale we use to judge people is by how they treat other people then we are a lot more evil than Hitler. Why you ask?

We (the privileged west) let millions and millions of unfortunate people suffer and die each year because of our apathetic way of life, because of our egocentric ideals.

Hitler was a soldier that had seen his nation fall from honor and glory, turned into a nation that relied on financial aid just to exist. He saw his nation humiliated and tortured by the French.

All these circumstances along with a mind that was insane to say the least, resulted in Hitler.

How is that we can condemn this madman so easily, but are so hesitant to criticize our way of living?

Hitler was not evil, he was mad. We are evil.

[valhalla_rk]

Why even bother to make a response to what I said, if you can't even answer coherently? Speaking nonsense doesn't change any of the facts.

if it was the thread subject, i would answer.

[Blackice]

I don't see the big deal in a Hitler waxwork. I'm German and my family were affected by the Holocaust, yet no memories are being fired back. It was a mass slaughter that occurred 70 years ago. I wasn't alive then; my parents weren't alive then. It was a slaughter of all people who belonged to a certain religion, which eases the feelings substantially. I don't have any problem with studying Hitler, or displaying waxworks of him for intellectual pleasure.

In fact, Hitler did have a lasting impact on Germany. Much of Germany's economic strength today comes from what he achieved back then. His ability to rally people around their unfair treatment under Versailles is a direct parallel to how the Israeli government can rally international support due to the Holocaust. The Jews became the new Germans, but their rallying ability extended outwards rather than inwards. Thanks to Hitler, we have greater respect for human rights and freedoms, both when viewing them as individuals, and as a state. We've learnt that punishment must be proportional to the crime for any type of rehabilitation to take place. In my view, the punishment laid upon the German people has been unproportional to their 70-year old crime.

I laugh at people who protest against harmless exhibitions like this. It is there for artistic and intellectual purpose - if you don't get that, and think it's a political statement of some kind, or have hateful feeling towards it, you aren't the intended audience. If you feel these things, you obviously can't appreciate the intrigue in putting a face to the accepted figure of global hatred, in Berlin of all places. It's those idiots that forced TIME to deny Hitler as being 'Man of the Century', when it is clear no man has shaped the century (for better or worse) more than Hitler.

[YBG]

Hitler was nowhere near as "evil" as the people REALLY behind the Holocaust.

Compare Hitler to what is Bush..and do not blow this out of proportion. I'm simply saying there is usually much more to it than the face that is put forward.

If you know anything about operation paperclip you will know what i mean.

[Rebdomine]

I think it's strange how everyone can "agree" that Hitler was "evil". Despite the fact I have yet to see anyone define evil.

Hitler only wanted the best for his people, by any means possible, during the process he managed to indirectly kill some 2 million jews (along with some gypsies, homosexuals and others). We can say the active killing of the 2 million people was a despicable act, but are we all that much better? If the only scale we use to judge people is by how they treat other people then we are a lot more evil than Hitler. Why you ask?

We (the privileged west) let millions and millions of unfortunate people suffer and die each year because of our apathetic way of life, because of our egocentric ideals.

Hitler was a soldier that had seen his nation fall from honor and glory, turned into a nation that relied on financial aid just to exist. He saw his nation humiliated and tortured by the French.

All these circumstances along with a mind that was insane to say the least, resulted in Hitler.

How is that we can condemn this madman so easily, but are so hesitant to criticize our way of living?

Hitler was not evil, he was mad. We are evil.

High-Five for the wise words, my fellow danishman.

[Brodel]

Waxwork Hitler beheaded in Berlin

A man has been arrested after tearing the head off a wax figure of Adolf Hitler at a newly opened branch of Madame Tussauds in Berlin.

The 41-year-old man was held after attacking the waxwork, only hours after the attraction opened on Saturday.

The inclusion of Hitler in the exhibition has aroused controversy in a country where Nazi symbols are banned.

But the exhibition's organisers said they could hardly depict German history without portraying Hitler.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7491280.stm