The Proof behind just how worthless Windows One care really is.

[markwolfe Veteran]

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Not every program is going to detect everything, and it's much better to have two or even three to make sure you're completely safe.

Are you suggesting that on my kids Windows boxes upstairs that I need to install a multitude of various apps on top of the OS to keep the PCs clean? I use either Avast or AVG antivirus (depends on what I preferred the year I set up the PC initially). Now I ought to install two or three different spy/adware clients per PC?

As for Windows OneCare, I remember at one time they were blasted as being the worst in category. Then they had really kicked it into gear and got consecutive flawless VB100 ratings. Is there some sort of rollercoaster performance issue with the product?

[spenser.d]

That's what you think lol

You could say that to anyone making that statement running any AV Software. I've found OC to be just fine for me and I've been using it since the original beta.

-Spenser

[+Warwagon MVC]

You could say that to anyone making that statement running any AV Software. I've found OC to be just fine for me and I've been using it since the original beta.

-Spenser

True but in this Entire infection it didn't even find one file. I mean if it found maybe 3 files of the particular type of malware infection but missed the rest. That would still be pretty bad but it would be something. In this case it missed the entire infection.

[(Spork)]

glad i never installed that crap

[tsupersonic]

Props to MS for trying to make a security suite, but come on MS, make it better. I know there are tons of One Care fans on this site and looks like they got a reality check. Even for those that don't use One Care, it's always good to check with other programs just to be sure you're really not infected.

[+primortal Subscriber²]

hmmm, do you know if the pc was infected before onecare was installed? <shotinthedark>Wonder if the pc was infected before onecare was installed that prevented onecare from detecting anything properly</shotinthedark>

[markwolfe Veteran]

hmmm, do you know if the pc was infected before onecare was installed? <shotinthedark>Wonder if the pc was infected before onecare was installed that prevented onecare from detecting anything properly</shotinthedark>

Well, the PC was certainly infected before "SuperAntiSpyware" was installed, and that didn't seem to be blind to the infection.

[HawkMan]

True but in this Entire infection it didn't even find one file. I mean if it found maybe 3 files of the particular type of malware infection but missed the rest. That would still be pretty bad but it would be something. In this case it missed the entire infection.

But one Care would have been cleaning out all the other stuff it does detect continually, and if all that stuff wasn't tracking cookies and useless(and more so possibly bad) registry cleaning, you must be visiting a ton of really bad sites and answering yes to every pop up to get that much crap. in wich cae there's no wonder one Care(Defender) wouldn't be able to take care of it all.

[+primortal Subscriber²]

would be interesting if onecare acted "stupid" till you subscribed :blink:

[WastedJoker]

would be interesting if onecare acted "stupid" till you subscribed :blink:

That's a fairly ridiculous statement to make.

[+Warwagon MVC]

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[theyarecomingforyou]

Wow. That's bad.

[gigapixels Veteran]

Are you suggesting that on my kids Windows boxes upstairs that I need to install a multitude of various apps on top of the OS to keep the PCs clean? I use either Avast or AVG antivirus (depends on what I preferred the year I set up the PC initially). Now I ought to install two or three different spy/adware clients per PC?

Unfortunately, yes. And you must generally get a specialized program for each type, spyware and viruses, unless you can get something that's good enough at both. One example would be Kaspersky, which I happily use without any problems.

The best method would be to have something that actively monitors, such as SpywareBlaster, as well as something that simply scans on demand.

Viruses only need one program to keep them under control. In fact most anti-virus programs will have major conflicts if installed side-by-side.

[+Warwagon MVC]

Unfortunately, yes. And you must generally get a specialized program for each type, spyware and viruses, unless you can get something that's good enough at both. One example would be Kaspersky, which I happily use without any problems.

The best method would be to have something that actively monitors, such as SpywareBlaster, as well as something that simply scans on demand.

Viruses only need one program to keep them under control. In fact most anti-virus programs will have major conflicts if installed side-by-side.

Or you could just sit your kids down and teach them save browsing.

Like NEVER installing anything from a popup.

Like I always say "No amount of Antivirus or Antispyware can protect you from your own stupidity.

[markwolfe Veteran]

Unfortunately, yes.

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Up to now, I haven't had to intervene for anything since setting their Windows accounts as limited, and putting in a virus scanner. I have used Lavasofts anti-adware on my wife's PC. Mostly from stuff installed as "optional" add-ons. Weather monitors, toobar add-ins, etc.

I will keep the "multiple scanners" in mind should I ever get something that seems to be slowing one of the PCs down. (Y)

Or you could just sit your kids down and teach them save browsing.

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Right after I teach my dog physics.

My kids mostly explored games. Or links that looked like games.

Plus, if you have kids, you already know darned well that kids will say "ok" to your face, but really they are sure they know more than you, and will do as they please.

I have told them what to do, and what not to do. I ended up having to clean up the PCs, and that is how they got taken down to limited users with an admin password they no longer know.

[+Warwagon MVC]

My kids mostly explored games. Or links that looked like games.

Plus, if you have kids, you already know darned well that kids will say "ok" to your face, but really they are sure they know more than you, and will do as they please.

I have told them what to do, and what not to do. I ended up having to clean up the PCs, and that is how they got taken down to limited users with an admin password they no longer know.

You should build a router using the Astaro Security Gateway!

Its really awesome but for some reason every time I get excited and build it my download rates get raped.

[Night Prowler]

Come on, let?s see; The laptop your working on has a OUTDATED OS so that should be a very good tell as to how good this computer is taken care of. Based on that, the virus checker most likely allowed the system to get infected because; They failed to keep the subscription current. ALSO, THERE ARE NEW VIRUSES AND TROJANS BEING RELEASED DAILY THAT WILL INFECT ANY SYSTEM THAT DOESN?T HAVE DEFINITIONS THAT WILL DETECT THEM. All it takes is one infection to disable the virus checker and from then on its a free ride in for anything. It's NOT just OneCare that has these problems. OneCare is an adequate Virus Checker, but it's only as good as its owner and as you all can see the owner of this laptop should have his internet connection severed, and his laptop confiscated, but for $250 a pop to reimage....

So many times this is blamed on the Virus Checker and Microsoft usually takes a bigger hit then most because SO many inexperienced users are using this product through its trial period and just let it go.

BTW, I?ve seen systems way worse than this.

Log file post from SuperAntispyware at the bottom of this post[/b]st

I was working on a Vista laptop for a customer. All appeared well. No virus or spyware / malware or Trojan warnings. The customer was running windows one care. he didn't have service pack 1 so I installed it. Along will all the latest updates. But I noticed his task manager was disabled. To me that spells "your infected with something".

[+Warwagon MVC]

Come on, let?s see; The laptop your working on has a OUTDATED OS so that should be a very good tell as to how good this computer is taken care of. Based on that, the virus checker most likely allowed the system to get infected because; They failed to keep the subscription current. ALSO, THERE ARE NEW VIRUSES AND TROJANS BEING RELEASED DAILY THAT WILL INFECT ANY SYSTEM THAT DOESN?T HAVE DEFINITIONS THAT WILL DETECT THEM. All it takes is one infection to disable the virus checker and from then on its a free ride in for anything. It's NOT just OneCare that has these problems. OneCare is an adequate Virus Checker, but it's only as good as its owner and as you all can see the owner of this laptop should have his internet connection severed, and his laptop confiscated, but for $250 a pop to reimage....

So many times this is blamed on the Virus Checker and Microsoft usually takes a bigger hit then most because SO many inexperienced users are using this product through its trial period and just let it go.

BTW, I?ve seen systems way worse than this.

The antivirus was last updated on the 25th and had 26 days left on its subscription

[roadgeek9]

That's why I use AVG (which just so happens to be free).

[ATGC]

That's why I use AVG (which just so happens to be free).

AVG alone doesn't pick up everything.

You need some others as well, which you can find in the software discussion section of Neowin.

[Popcorned]

http://www.hitmanpro.nl/hitmanpro/

This is the best program on the market for destroying spyware, it installs various applications and runs them one after the other. Nothing is left.

[peacemf]

i have onecare

ran your little application (original posters that is)

and it found NOTHING

[Matrix XII]

OneCare is quite a bad AV, we sell it at Future Shop as part of the setups.

[x-byte]

hmmm, do you know if the pc was infected before onecare was installed? <shotinthedark>Wonder if the pc was infected before onecare was installed that prevented onecare from detecting anything properly</shotinthedark>

I would say this is a very plausable theory. A lot of viruses takes care of the antivirus software first so it doesn't find anything. That's why I use online virus scan if I know the PC is infected.

[wrack]

Windows One Care, Windows Defender and Malicious software removal tool is a complete joke!

I would say this is a very plausable theory. A lot of viruses takes care of the antivirus software first so it doesn't find anything. That's why I use online virus scan if I know the PC is infected.

I use MiniPE with latest virus definition of whatever antivirus it has. Works like a charm most of the time.