4 Hating on Vista

[Slimy]

Well some people here claim Vista and Server are the same. I say no. Vista - Build 6000. Server 2008- Build 6001. Server has less services running than Vista. It responds much quicker, connects to the internet in a flash. When you tell it to close an application after the application crashes, it closes it. Vista thinks about it. It boots faster too. Server 2008 is not Vista. There is something internally different in it. It's designed better than Vista (internally). There are just so many things better on Server 2008 is not funny. I hate Vista. I tried it, twiked it to the max and I still found it slow and annoying. I am quite happy with Server 2008. It simply works.

Server 2008 is at the same level as Vista SP1, hence why Server 2008 has SP1 in the name ;)

[Scorbing]

Vista SP1 - Build 6001 - sorry, what were you saying about different?

edit - Too slow :happy:

I am not the only one that has noticed Server 2008 is faster than Vista. Google is your best friend. Read on:

http://exo-blog.blogspot.com/2008/03/windo...done-right.html

http://www.itwriting.com/blog/596-vista-sp...omparisons.html

http://wastingtimewithmikeandari.wordpress...e-ram-of-vista/

[39 Thieves]

Server 2008 is still different. There is something about it that works better. MS hurried Vista out the door. They took their time with Server.

Less enabled services by default. That's it. Anything else you're thinking is purely a placebo effect.

[HSoft]

I am not the only one that has noticed Server 2008 is faster than Vista. Google is your best friend. Read on:

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Server is faster than Vista precisely because it is a server and has most of the bells and whistles that Vista comes with turned off. There is no need to have these on a server.

Server 2008 and Vista do however share the exact same kernal codebase.

[SVG Veteran]

I am not the only one that has noticed Server 2008 is faster than Vista. Google is your best friend. Read on:

http://exo-blog.blogspot.com/2008/03/windo...done-right.html

http://www.itwriting.com/blog/596-vista-sp...omparisons.html

http://wastingtimewithmikeandari.wordpress...e-ram-of-vista/

Well, having run Server 2008 for a few weeks after its release and customizing it to be just as useful as Vista (SP1) for daily usage, I have to say there is NO difference.. Links from a few blogs really won't prove that cuz bloggers say what they want

EDIT: In fact driver installation has been slower on Server 2008

[Scorbing]

Well, having run Server 2008 for a few weeks after its release and customizing it to be just as useful as Vista (SP1) for daily usage, I have to say there is NO difference.. Links from a few blogs really won't prove that cuz bloggers say what they want

EDIT: In fact driver installation has been slower on Server 2008

OK I tell you what, why don't you conduct your own benchmark tests and post the results here so we can see? That way we can see if the "bloggers" are wrong. One of the "bloggers" that has many times stated that Server 2008 is better and faster than Vista happens to be a Microsoft employee. I wish I was at home right now to get the link from my Favs and post his Blog site link so you can read what he says about it, but I will be more than glad to see your own test results on the two OSs.

[Express]

^^I have read that Microsoft employee's entry. I don't think he works in the Windows group. Microsoft is a vast company.

My personal experience is that the perf is equivalent on Windows 2008 and Vista SP1 when configured with the same features.

I disabled Windows Search since I don't need it anymore on my main system.

[39 Thieves]

OK I tell you what, why don't you conduct your own benchmark tests and post the results here so we can see? That way we can see if the "bloggers" are wrong. One of the "bloggers" that has many times stated that Server 2008 is better and faster than Vista happens to be a Microsoft employee. I wish I was at home right now to get the link from my Favs and post his Blog site link so you can read what he says about it, but I will be more than glad to see your own test results on the two OSs.

I have both 64-bit and the 32-bit versions of Standard (OEM). I've ran both, and conducted my own testing, on the same exact system. This is the same crap as the '2003-as-a-workstation' BS that was fluttering about for years. By the time you bring 2008 up to the level of usability that Vista has out of the box, and jump through all those hoops...if you still feel you've spent your money well just to run it as a desktop...well, good on you. I can't related, but good on you. Personally, I'll stick with Vista Home Premium for most of my at-home usage.

[HSoft]

OK I tell you what, why don't you conduct your own benchmark tests and post the results here so we can see? That way we can see if the "bloggers" are wrong. One of the "bloggers" that has many times stated that Server 2008 is better and faster than Vista happens to be a Microsoft employee. I wish I was at home right now to get the link from my Favs and post his Blog site link so you can read what he says about it, but I will be more than glad to see your own test results on the two OSs.

You are completely missing the point here. Server and Vista are both built on the same code. Server is "faster" than Vista because a lot of the components and services that Vista have turned on by default are either not installed or turned off in Server.

If you turned on/installed these on Server then compared on like machines then you would find that server should actually run a little slower than Vista as Server would then have more services than Vista does.

I know which post you're referring to but that does not turn Server into Vista as not all the services/components are installed, just the most widely used ones. If Server wasn't the same code base as Vista then you couldn't do this at all.

[afusion]

Nope, not true. Was in the early beta for Vista and for SP1 so have used it extensively and don't like. Sticking with XP SP3 and will probably just wait on Win7 (yes I know it's based on the vista kernal but there will be changes).

Sooner or Later. People change along side w/ their usage and as a result their opinions change with it. They'll use for whatever they see benefit with even if it is small.

That my friend is how the game is played, it's the nature of any product out on the market.

Edited August 28, 2008 by The Intruder

[darkmanx21]

Dude..we're not fighting about that? What the hell..and why are writing in all BOLD?

..the dude said he changed and is now happy. Congratulations bro. Vista is fine for some, not so great for some. It's YOUR choice. <BOLD, used correctly> :D

[Geranium_Z__NL]

Yeah i dont know why everyone is So "Against" Vista

This afternoon it proved (for me) again that it was better... i was running a game on XP.. and it got stuck cause i shut down MDM in my services.. (My pc tried to initialize it.. and get like 20 errors trying to do so.. and after it just got stuck)

On vista i never get this Same game..

[Fred Derf Veteran]

IMO people who work in the computer industry who still recommend XP to their customers have no business being there. Vista is now a fine operating system to use, and soon enough the XP fanboys will migrate to it.

The corporate boys would still be happily running their people on Windows 2000 Professional if Microsoft had continued full support of that product.

[Scorbing]

The corporate boys would still be happily running their people on Windows 2000 Professional if Microsoft had continued full support of that product.

I would still be running Windows 2000 if MS was still supporting it. That was probably MS most stable and best OS. Too bad its history now.

Someone just needs to do some digging and find out what is and what isn't running on Server so that we can do the same to Vista and see how it behaves. I think Vista has way too much crap running on the background and that affects some of its performance. Vista is not a bad OS but it could be faster and I know it can be made faster by turning off a lot of useless crap. No need to have 50+ services running. Server 2008 has 35 and XP 18 and they run perfectly fine.

[+Gary7 Subscriber²]

I would still be running Windows 2000 if MS was still supporting it. That was probably MS most stable and best OS. Too bad its history now.

Someone just needs to do some digging and find out what is and what isn't running on Server so that we can do the same to Vista and see how it behaves. I think Vista has way too much crap running on the background and that affects some of its performance. Vista is not a bad OS but it could be faster and I know it can be made faster by turning off a lot of useless crap. No need to have 50+ services running. Server 2008 has 35 and XP 18 and they run perfectly fine.

I have 37 services running on Vista Business.

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I have 37 services running on Vista Business.

Yes, but Vista Premium has more services running. Vista business doesn't have certain things that Premium version has.

[MrChainsaw]

I would have thought so, but it doesn't change the fact that he needs XP for that specific software version.

Well I don't know if its adobe's fault, but I have other reasons, that I can't play some games in the same quality as in xp. Even when I use Windows Classic as theme for some reason. I hate Apple, I hate Microsoft. I'm on nobody's side. Well maybe linux a bit.

[tsupersonic]

It's good to hear people actually giving objective views of Vista. Soon, others will too.

Objective views on a tech site? Nooo way :rolleyes:

The false perspective out there is pretty damn strong, and everyone who hates it has probably not tried it or just hates MS (aka Apple/Linux fanboys/girls)

[_-Psycho-_]

Yes, but Vista Premium has more services running. Vista business doesn't have certain things that Premium version has.

I run Vista Ultimate. Fresh install and messenger running in the background. 40 services. Still not as low as xp but not the +50 you say.

[Linkinfamous]

Only problem i have with vista (32 bit and 64 bit (current)) is the random atikmdag.sys BSOD's when watching full screen movies.

But the question is, who is to blame?

people say they don't get them in XP, but i cba to try it out.

Overall Vista have only surprised me in a positive way tho.

Downgrade or upgrade your video drivers.

ATI's 8.8 drivers caused this error for me, so I downgraded back to the 8.7, which doesn't.

[+Gary7 Subscriber²]

Yes, but Vista Premium has more services running. Vista business doesn't have certain things that Premium version has.

Yes I know, I beta tested Vista Ultimate(Premium), the only real differences are the media center and Dreamscene. It would have more services.

[Scorbing]

Vista Home Premium and Ultimate have useless stuff that drag it down. For example:

Windows Media Center - Who the hell uses this?

Windows DVD Maker - Excellent idea...but...you can't customize the DVD menu with your own stuff, can't add more templates and you all know that MS is not going to bother making any new templates for it either. Ashampoo Burn Studio 6.6 Free Edition has better templates and features than this crap.

Windows Defender - A joke. Lots of freeware anti-spyware stuff out there that do a better job than this.

Windows Paint - Totally useless

Windows Word Processor - Another useless application

Should I go on?

[afusion]

Vista Home Premium and Ultimate have useless stuff that drag it down. For example:

Windows Media Center - Who the hell uses this?

Windows DVD Maker - Excellent idea...but...you can't customize the DVD menu with your own stuff, can't add more templates and you all know that MS is not going to bother making any new templates for it either. Ashampoo Burn Studio 6.6 Free Edition has better templates and features than this crap.

Windows Defender - A joke. Lots of freeware anti-spyware stuff out there that do a better job than this.

Windows Paint - Totally useless

Windows Word Processor - Another useless application

Should I go on?

Please don't.. enough BS posting.

[XerXis]

Vista Home Premium and Ultimate have useless stuff that drag it down. For example:

Windows Media Center - Who the hell uses this?

Windows DVD Maker - Excellent idea...but...you can't customize the DVD menu with your own stuff, can't add more templates and you all know that MS is not going to bother making any new templates for it either. Ashampoo Burn Studio 6.6 Free Edition has better templates and features than this crap.

Windows Defender - A joke. Lots of freeware anti-spyware stuff out there that do a better job than this.

Windows Paint - Totally useless

Windows Word Processor - Another useless application

Should I go on?

1) i do, to watch tv, as do countless other people, it actually is a great pvr

2) used it one or two times to make a dvd without having to think too much. Doesn't use any resources when you don't use it

3) not using a lot of resources, never had spyware or viruses, never tried something else

4) uses no resources (except a few mb of hard disk space)

5) same as 4 and I assume some people use it

In fact, I assume a lot of people use dvd maker too, for someone who doesn't know the first thing about making dvd's it's a godsent. You on the other hand assume way to much, it's not because you don't like somethig other people don't use it.

You have been throwing all kind of FUD around in this topic, regarding server 2008 and vista and actually have proved just one thing: <snipped>

Edited August 29, 2008 by Fred Derf

[Mkvos]

Vista Home Premium and Ultimate have useless stuff that drag it down. For example:

Windows Media Center - Who the hell uses this?

I use it actually. I just recently built a machine just to use Media Center as my TV. It's not to have a version of windows where you don't have to install another program as a Media Center or have two disks for XP MCE.

Windows Defender - A joke. Lots of freeware anti-spyware stuff out there that do a better job than this.

Agreed 100% here

Windows Word Processor - Another useless application

And here as well

But Vista isn't all that bad really. I was hesitant to try it until I bought a laptop with Vista pre-loaded. I don't mind it.

Where it gets its bad name is from.. Microshaft tried to push an unfinished product out the door while other companies were dragging their feet to make their hardware/software compatible while waiting for MS to make the OS better.

Stupid.. stupid stupid... :no: