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What's to replace Blu-Ray?

Movie downloads?

Maybe Beyond HD. Just that there are no TVs to support that resolution.

Blue-Ray is going to be here for some time. People don't buy BR movies because of the players' prices (currently the best available is the PS3, and often people like something else than a gaming console for watching movies). When the BR players get cheaper, sales of BR movies will start to rise up seriously.

Its not really an issue, movies are compressed that much you could fit a few hundred on a 250gb hdd. Thats one thing that annoys me about these online video streaming/purchasing, why should i pay near DVD/Blu-Ray prices when i dont get a box or a disc, i dont get any extras, i dont get to copy the file wherever i want to back it up and that its compressed from 7gb in dvd sizes to 800mb-1Gb or from 30Gb Blu-ray to 4-5Gb video.

The best example I've seen of HD compression are mkv rips, and they're barely touching upon the quality you get out of a avc/vc-1/mpeg2 25/50gb encoded disc.

I don't think downloads will take off until we can stream it off the mark, not start the movie and have it buffering for an hour.

Yes i agree, i buy Blu-Ray discs and create a digital format that i have full control over what codec i use, what bitrate, what audio, any subtitles, if i want i can also rip the extras then they are archived on my media server that has 2x 1Tb drives. They arent a touch on the 1080p format on the disc but they are very close considering the file sizes.

These online buying and renting services are limited to what codecs they pay a licence for and then only if that codec supports the restrictive DRM the studios stipulate they must use, they use commercial encoding software which dont support all the features of the codecs standards so you get a blurry mush with compressed audio sometimes you get subtitles sometimes you dont, no extras, etc.. and to add insult you pay near DVD prices for the privilidge. Online will never take off as long as physical media is around.

Edited by Richard Hammond

Well DVDs were around long enough before anyone started buying them, and as ppl have already said, what will replace them? HD-DVD is gone, and downloads will never take off in places like the UK with its EXCELLENT web infrastructure (dunno about the US).

Also I don't think many people will be patient enough to wait several hours for the huge downloads, and if they do the ISPs will all start throttling traffic e.t.c.

And anyway, I'm sure if Blu-Ray is too expensive (which it is IMHO), the DVD marked won't just stumble over and die if there's still a demand.

And finally, they have no excuse to push up the price of Blu-Ray disks themselves, cos I read here that they cost no more to produce than a standard DVD!!

About downloads, HD Content downloading in Australia... not for a long time...

But, technology is moving fairly fast at the moment so perhaps Blu-Ray may be replaced by then. Personally, though, I don't see the need, DVD still looks fine, but I haven't seen HD in action so I can't say completely.

What's DVD-A and SaCD? I know more than anyone I know about video formats but I've never heard of these :huh:

Little off-topic maybe: (just trying to help)

DVD-A is DVD-Audio and SaCD is Super audio CD. Both audio formats, so I guess it's natural you didn't hear of these "video" formats ;) (j/k mate).

Here is a little more info if you are interested:

DVD-A Wiki and SaCD Wiki.

Wow Boz, you really don't let it go do you?

Everything BluRay to you is like Satin or something? I have never known anyone to have so much love for a format (HD DVD).

You seriously need to let it go, BluRay won, HD DVD lost. Who cares what might of happened if HD DVD won, it didn't, let it be.

But in regards to the topic...........

BluRay might be gone by 2012 its 4 years away and it BluRay would be 6 years old...........something bigger and better could be out in that time as technology is rapidly evolving.

Like others have said, Downloads might be even bigger by then (but me personally I dont think downloads will be mainstream by then and also the fact that most people like to buy something and get given it in physical form whether its by a BluRay or DVD).

So many things can happen in 4 years with technology.

This could of turned in to a good discussion but you just can't take this post in that sort of way when it's coming from the biggest HD DVD fan in the world and was probably started at flame bait.

everythings going to move to solid state anyway, the use of discs will become obsolite in years to come.

With progressively quicker data speeds and more things available in digital format, iPod is all downloaded etc. stores will turn into data banks, plug your flash drive in, pay the fee, transfer the data and walk out.

Do you know how many tons of CD's are thrown every year in the UK alone? massive!

Why limit yourselves to mechanical items which can break, cost money (again and again and again) and pollute when you can move to something that fits on your key ring and will hold you favorite cd's.

I'd like to see digital downloads instead of flash storage or memory cards...i personally love how the 360 works in terms of movie downloads etc. all we need is companys creating digital tv units from which you can download movies to, much like the 360 movie system. would be great.

Optical has so many advantages over downloads, I can see only one advantage of downloads:

I'll try to share my opinion on why I completely disagree with you (btw, all of the below goes for HD DVD too but the only advantage HD DVD had over Blu-Ray was readiness to take mainstream much faster as it relied on DVD manufacturing):

Higher bitrates

irrelevant for 95% of people just as long as quality is good enough. That and the fact that technology in compressions and codecs is constantly improving that a 4mbit/s in VC1 looks stunningly good. 10mbit/s looks the same as 20mbit/s with good AVC or VC1 encoding.

better audio

People listen to sound on their TV speakers for the most part or they buy all in one systems as they are cheap. On these there's no way you hear a different in audio so it's completely irrelevant. For you to really appreciate the sound that Blu-Ray offers you need to spend several thousand on speakers and audio video receiver. Something that only a niche audience has.. One of the reasons why it's definitely understandable that Blu-Ray is thought to remain within niche audience both price wise and for the amount of money you need to shell out in order to really experience really miniscule differences for the most part.

extras

As pointed out by numerous Blu-Ray fans even here on Neowin, extras were totally irrelevant when we made comparison that HD DVD offered this, now it's an important thing? It is a good bonus but with internet connectivity with devices, these extras will all be available online anyways, not to mention as free downloads such as XBL has (like interview commentaries etc etc)

no downloads needed

If you think for constant firmware updates for BD+ and constant problems with new titles then I wouldn't say you are totally going to avoid online access anyways.

can just pick it up and take it to a mates

This is of course true, however if you scratch the disc running to your mate, you lost your copy, not to mention that you mate needs to have a Blu-Ray player too. So it's completely a moot point.

NO drm (I'm happy for them to protect the disc content, I don't like not being able to copy a download though)

impulse purchasing, my favourite!

No Drm?!?!?!?! Are you kidding me? There's no way to backup the disc, without breaking the law (that's $250,000 fine). Most people don't want to break the law. You screw it up it's DONE! You need to pay another $20-$30. With digital there's no such problem.

great for building a movie library

Requires space, collects dust, most movies you will not even watch twice. 1tb disc is $150 today and can fit a 100 HD movies at full capacity with no compression (if it's from Blu-Ray), if it's downloadable and optimized it can fit 2-3 times more. Huge convenience and it's very obvious that people are stopping to buy optical media anyways, people rent more then ever because they don't want to stack discs when they want to see them 2-3 times in their life. Digital download give you access to full libraries at your fingertips for a few bucks. Even you saw a movie 2-3 times in your life, you'd pay less then what you pay for a disc.

don't have to go out and buy a disc

This is a bad thing? You also forgot to say that you don't have to pay additional nonsense costs for packaging, replication and stuff for the movies with downloads as you do with optical media.

huge hit on your monthly bandwidth allowance, which most of us have (some ISP's don't but they have a 'ghost' cap they don't tell the customers)

This will and is not going to be a problem in the long run. It maybe now because companies are trying prolong investements that will undoubtably come, but FCC is already giving hell to Comcast for it. This will be taken care of by the market anyways. I don't know what situation is in UK, but it will not stop the technology progress either way. I know people who say they use downloads just fine in UK and reported to me that they have even faster connections then what I have here in the States. So take it for what it is.

pita to copy to portable storage, if they allow that.

Already possible. You can backup anything legally for the most part to an external media. You can't play it with anything else but it's accessible and you can back it up.

most download services are rental, I want to own my copy, not have it deactivate after x days.

Why? Because you are used to have a stack of discs on your shelf that looks pretty? There's no point of owning a movie if you access to it 24h a day. That's the whole point. It's cheaper for you if you rent it then own it considering how many times you REALLY watch that movie and how much you pay for it. People have already shown that they don't want to own anymore. Rapid decline in sale is what draw studios to try Blu-Ray. Now, they are aware that Blu-ray might be done in a few years so they are already supporting digital downloads fully. Netflix company has grown incredibly fast thanks to rentals. It's obvious what's the deal and not only obvious but already commented on many times by industry people and studios.

often quicker to buy the optical disc than download it.

Not really.. I can't go to the store and back in 10 mins for the time it takes for my Vudu or XBL to cache the movie and starts playing.

Because of the rental system, you cannot really build a collection.

Again.. why? You built collections because it was inconvenient always to go to the rental store to pick up a movie so it was more convenient for you to just buy it have it if you like it. With digital downloads this is completely eliminated thus no need for people to really own a disc.

But here's why optical is obsolete and digital downloads are much better, effective, flexible and convenient:

1. Slow read time and expensive write discs at the moment. Even if it reaches lower prices and when it does as always it will be too small when compared to other storage devices

2. No way to back it up LEGALLY. If your disc gets screwed you have to buy a new copy.

3. It doesn't last forever.. files do as they are digital (you can always back them up to ANY new medium)

4. Regional coding that is purely there to screw consumers

5. You have to carry the disc if you want to watch content at someone else's house.

6. Fixed quality. With digital downloads as infrastructure grows you the quality of movies will by evolution improve without any cost to you since you will always rent and watch the latest version of that movie. For optical you will either have to buy a new player or rebuy a disc which in both cases is good.

7. Overall storage. As I said, 1tb drives are $150 in a year they will be even bigger for less not to mention that in the next 5 years all new flash disks, wireless USB at hi speeds, home servers etc etc will all become extremely cheap and mainstream. Who needs optical in that case? I can tell you it sure is not me.

8. Fixed content on the disc. With digital downloads content can always expand without republishing new discs. Not with optical. They have to replicate and package and then RESELL the new version. Of course you are expected to double dip or triple dip. Awesome! Not.

9. Much easier to author, publish a movie with minimal costs for studios. They make better money by renting on per user basis and it's revolving then spending money to package, market, replicate optical media. It's win win for everyone. Studios make a bunch of money and user get to watch movie on-demand for overall cheaper price then if he bought a disc for $25 or more.

10. Better for ENVIRONMENT!

Think about it. I'm sure you'll realize this when you experience downloads more and more.

Maybe Beyond HD. Just that there are no TVs to support that resolution.

Blue-Ray is going to be here for some time. People don't buy BR movies because of the players' prices (currently the best available is the PS3, and often people like something else than a gaming console for watching movies). When the BR players get cheaper, sales of BR movies will start to rise up seriously.

The only problem is that people have to buy a technology for it to become cheaper and that's not happening. Simple economics.

Samsung dude is totally right.. I've heard this a while back but now it's starting to get more public.

everythings going to move to solid state anyway, the use of discs will become obsolite in years to come.

With progressively quicker data speeds and more things available in digital format, iPod is all downloaded etc. stores will turn into data banks, plug your flash drive in, pay the fee, transfer the data and walk out.

Do you know how many tons of CD's are thrown every year in the UK alone? massive!

Why limit yourselves to mechanical items which can break, cost money (again and again and again) and pollute when you can move to something that fits on your key ring and will hold you favorite cd's.

That's were I see it going along with digital downloads through your internet connection. It's the only way to make it work because everyone will not have fast internet. Walking into a store with a flash drive and copying over the movie, cd or game is the future.

I'll try to share my opinion on why I completely disagree with you (btw, all of the below goes for HD DVD too but the only advantage HD DVD had over Blu-Ray was readiness to take mainstream much faster as it relied on DVD manufacturing):

Higher bitrates

irrelevant for 95% of people just as long as quality is good enough. That and the fact that technology in compressions and codecs is constantly improving that a 4mbit/s in VC1 looks stunningly good. 10mbit/s looks the same as 20mbit/s with good AVC or VC1 encoding.

better audio

People listen to sound on their TV speakers for the most part or they buy all in one systems as they are cheap. On these there's no way you hear a different in audio so it's completely irrelevant. For you to really appreciate the sound that Blu-Ray offers you need to spend several thousand on speakers and audio video receiver. Something that only a niche audience has.. One of the reasons why it's definitely understandable that Blu-Ray is thought to remain within niche audience both price wise and for the amount of money you need to shell out in order to really experience really miniscule differences for the most part.

extras

As pointed out by numerous Blu-Ray fans even here on Neowin, extras were totally irrelevant when we made comparison that HD DVD offered this, now it's an important thing? It is a good bonus but with internet connectivity with devices, these extras will all be available online anyways, not to mention as free downloads such as XBL has (like interview commentaries etc etc)

no downloads needed

If you think for constant firmware updates for BD+ and constant problems with new titles then I wouldn't say you are totally going to avoid online access anyways.

can just pick it up and take it to a mates

This is of course true, however if you scratch the disc running to your mate, you lost your copy, not to mention that you mate needs to have a Blu-Ray player too. So it's completely a moot point.

NO drm (I'm happy for them to protect the disc content, I don't like not being able to copy a download though)

impulse purchasing, my favourite!

No Drm?!?!?!?! Are you kidding me? There's no way to backup the disc, without breaking the law (that's $250,000 fine). Most people don't want to break the law. You screw it up it's DONE! You need to pay another $20-$30. With digital there's no such problem.

great for building a movie library

Requires space, collects dust, most movies you will not even watch twice. 1tb disc is $150 today and can fit a 100 HD movies at full capacity with no compression (if it's from Blu-Ray), if it's downloadable and optimized it can fit 2-3 times more. Huge convenience and it's very obvious that people are stopping to buy optical media anyways, people rent more then ever because they don't want to stack discs when they want to see them 2-3 times in their life. Digital download give you access to full libraries at your fingertips for a few bucks. Even you saw a movie 2-3 times in your life, you'd pay less then what you pay for a disc.

don't have to go out and buy a disc

This is a bad thing? You also forgot to say that you don't have to pay additional nonsense costs for packaging, replication and stuff for the movies with downloads as you do with optical media.

huge hit on your monthly bandwidth allowance, which most of us have (some ISP's don't but they have a 'ghost' cap they don't tell the customers)

This will and is not going to be a problem in the long run. It maybe now because companies are trying prolong investements that will undoubtably come, but FCC is already giving hell to Comcast for it. This will be taken care of by the market anyways. I don't know what situation is in UK, but it will not stop the technology progress either way. I know people who say they use downloads just fine in UK and reported to me that they have even faster connections then what I have here in the States. So take it for what it is.

pita to copy to portable storage, if they allow that.

Already possible. You can backup anything legally for the most part to an external media. You can't play it with anything else but it's accessible and you can back it up.

most download services are rental, I want to own my copy, not have it deactivate after x days.

Why? Because you are used to have a stack of discs on your shelf that looks pretty? There's no point of owning a movie if you access to it 24h a day. That's the whole point. It's cheaper for you if you rent it then own it considering how many times you REALLY watch that movie and how much you pay for it. People have already shown that they don't want to own anymore. Rapid decline in sale is what draw studios to try Blu-Ray. Now, they are aware that Blu-ray might be done in a few years so they are already supporting digital downloads fully. Netflix company has grown incredibly fast thanks to rentals. It's obvious what's the deal and not only obvious but already commented on many times by industry people and studios.

often quicker to buy the optical disc than download it.

Not really.. I can't go to the store and back in 10 mins for the time it takes for my Vudu or XBL to cache the movie and starts playing.

Because of the rental system, you cannot really build a collection.

Again.. why? You built collections because it was inconvenient always to go to the rental store to pick up a movie so it was more convenient for you to just buy it have it if you like it. With digital downloads this is completely eliminated thus no need for people to really own a disc.

But here's why optical is obsolete and digital downloads are much better, effective, flexible and convenient:

1. Slow read time and expensive write discs at the moment. Even if it reaches lower prices and when it does as always it will be too small when compared to other storage devices

2. No way to back it up LEGALLY. If your disc gets screwed you have to buy a new copy.

3. It doesn't last forever.. files do as they are digital (you can always back them up to ANY new medium)

4. Regional coding that is purely there to screw consumers

5. You have to carry the disc if you want to watch content at someone else's house.

6. Fixed quality. With digital downloads as infrastructure grows you the quality of movies will by evolution improve without any cost to you since you will always rent and watch the latest version of that movie. For optical you will either have to buy a new player or rebuy a disc which in both cases is good.

7. Overall storage. As I said, 1tb drives are $150 in a year they will be even bigger for less not to mention that in the next 5 years all new flash disks, wireless USB at hi speeds, home servers etc etc will all become extremely cheap and mainstream. Who needs optical in that case? I can tell you it sure is not me.

8. Fixed content on the disc. With digital downloads content can always expand without republishing new discs. Not with optical. They have to replicate and package and then RESELL the new version. Of course you are expected to double dip or triple dip. Awesome! Not.

9. Much easier to author, publish a movie with minimal costs for studios. They make better money by renting on per user basis and it's revolving then spending money to package, market, replicate optical media. It's win win for everyone. Studios make a bunch of money and user get to watch movie on-demand for overall cheaper price then if he bought a disc for $25 or more.

10. Better for ENVIRONMENT!

Think about it. I'm sure you'll realize this when you experience downloads more and more.

The only problem is that people have to buy a technology for it to become cheaper and that's not happening. Simple economics.

Samsung dude is totally right.. I've heard this a while back but now it's starting to get more public.

Seriously. wow. You believe all that as well, don't you?

don't have to go out and buy a disc

This is a bad thing? You also forgot to say that you don't have to pay additional nonsense costs for packaging, replication and stuff for the movies with downloads as you do with optical media.

I mean't that as my good point, I didn't make that clear.

most download services are rental, I want to own my copy, not have it deactivate after x days.

Why? Because you are used to have a stack of discs on your shelf that looks pretty? There's no point of owning a movie if you access to it 24h a day. That's the whole point. It's cheaper for you if you rent it then own it considering how many times you REALLY watch that movie and how much you pay for it. People have already shown that they don't want to own anymore. Rapid decline in sale is what draw studios to try Blu-Ray. Now, they are aware that Blu-ray might be done in a few years so they are already supporting digital downloads fully. Netflix company has grown incredibly fast thanks to rentals. It's obvious what's the deal and not only obvious but already commented on many times by industry people and studios.

I actually enjoy

often quicker to buy the optical disc than download it.

Not really.. I can't go to the store and back in 10 mins for the time it takes for my Vudu or XBL to cache the movie and starts playing.

Because of the rental system, you cannot really build a collection.

Again.. why? You built collections because it was inconvenient always to go to the rental store to pick up a movie so it was more convenient for you to just buy it have it if you like it. With digital downloads this is completely eliminated thus no need for people to really own a disc.

I enjoy collecting movies, I like to revisit films every now and again. I probably watch 4-5 films a week, both new and old.

But here's why optical is obsolete and digital downloads are much better, effective, flexible and convenient:

1. Slow read time and expensive write discs at the moment. Even if it reaches lower prices and when it does as always it will be too small when compared to other storage devices

I'm happy to wait a few seconds to load

2. No way to back it up LEGALLY. If your disc gets screwed you have to buy a new copy.

No need, I take good care of my discs, bd's are very tough too

3. It doesn't last forever.. files do as they are digital (you can always back them up to ANY new medium)

A HDD can screw up as much as anything else

4. Regional coding that is purely there to screw consumers

and downloads won't be regional?

5. You have to carry the disc if you want to watch content at someone else's house.

I'd rather that than said friend have an account with x and pay for the rental, when I could just bring a disc.

6. Fixed quality. With digital downloads as infrastructure grows you the quality of movies will by evolution improve without any cost to you since you will always rent and watch the latest version of that movie. For optical you will either have to buy a new player or rebuy a disc which in both cases is good.

you'd have to buy a new download still

7. Overall storage. As I said, 1tb drives are $150 in a year they will be even bigger for less not to mention that in the next 5 years all new flash disks, wireless USB at hi speeds, home servers etc etc will all become extremely cheap and mainstream. Who needs optical in that case? I can tell you it sure is not me.

Drives fail still, I'd rather replace 1 optical disc than have a single hdd fail and have to re-download everything.

8. Fixed content on the disc. With digital downloads content can always expand without republishing new discs. Not with optical. They have to replicate and package and then RESELL the new version. Of course you are expected to double dip or triple dip. Awesome! Not.

You don't have to rebuy

9. Much easier to author, publish a movie with minimal costs for studios. They make better money by renting on per user basis and it's revolving then spending money to package, market, replicate optical media. It's win win for everyone. Studios make a bunch of money and user get to watch movie on-demand for overall cheaper price then if he bought a disc for $25 or more.

I prefer physically browsing discs in the shop than a list online.

10. Better for ENVIRONMENT!

HIPPY!

and how many cars do you have? ;p

Think about it. I'm sure you'll realize this when you experience downloads more and more.

believe me, I tried downloads, not for me. not so great for many of us on slower connections, I physically can't get a faster connection neither.

The only problem is that people have to buy a technology for it to become cheaper and that's not happening. Simple economics.

Samsung dude is totally right.. I've heard this a while back but now it's starting to get more public.

I'm willing to bet a huge chunk of dvd's are bought on a whim during the weekly shop etc, can't do that with downloads. physical media is more impulsive imo.

Edited by Coldgunner
Don't forget that Comcast just imposed a 250GB/month download limit. How long it stays at 250GB will be a mystery given Comcast's actions up to this point in time.

I believe the 250GB limit has always been in place however when people exceeded this limit they were cut off people complained and requested the information to know how much they can download a month before being cut off so they stated 250GB

so the limit has always existed just never on display

^ I have no sources for this information its just what i gathered from reading the article a few days ago :)

NO drm (I'm happy for them to protect the disc content, I don't like not being able to copy a download though)

impulse purchasing, my favourite!

No Drm?!?!?!?! Are you kidding me? There's no way to backup the disc, without breaking the law (that's $250,000 fine). Most people don't want to break the law. You screw it up it's DONE! You need to pay another $20-$30. With digital there's no such problem.

The same with DVD, HD DVD and with downloaded things. They have number of times it can be copied some even opened. Actually DRM on downloaded things is 10x nastier than of a physical disc.

pita to copy to portable storage, if they allow that.

Already possible. You can backup anything legally for the most part to an external media. You can't play it with anything else but it's accessible and you can back it up.

You can store it on a external media but you can't play it anywhere else. While a physical disc allows me to take it to a friends house to watch. Or it has a number of times I can play, or number of places I can play. I bought it I should be able to play it w/e I want, when I want, how many times I want.

For what you are saying can have any chances, a lot of things have to change before.

I'm willing to bet a huge chunk of dvd's are bought on a whim during the weekly shop etc, can't do that with downloads. physical media is more impulsive imo.

And how is this good for you? YOu spend money on something you probably won't watch 3 times in your life.

Owning in general is illogical with future technology that's the whole point.

I don't have problems paying $3-$4 to watch a movie. I know I'll probably watch it like 5 times during the lifetime of that media anyways so I'll end up paying in rentals the same as I would for that disc version, only with downloads I will always have the latest version to pick from and whatever changes might've been applied to the disc. With optical I have to rebuy a new version if I want an extended cut or something. How is that better I don't know?

Sure you don't have to buy anything, but that's not the point right? It's all about freedom of selection and convenience of access.

And how is this good for you? YOu spend money on something you probably won't watch 3 times in your life.

Owning in general is illogical with future technology that's the whole point.

I don't have problems paying $3-$4 to watch a movie. I know I'll probably watch it like 5 times during the lifetime of that media anyways so I'll end up paying in rentals the same as I would for that disc version, only with downloads I will always have the latest version to pick from and whatever changes might've been applied to the disc. With optical I have to rebuy a new version if I want an extended cut or something. How is that better I don't know?

Sure you don't have to buy anything, but that's not the point right? It's all about freedom of selection and convenience of access.

Are you the benchmark or the norm for video rental and watching thesedays?

I buy films i want to watch over and over and over again, just because you would only watch it 5 times doesnt mean everyone else is the same as you.

Are you the benchmark or the norm for video rental and watching thesedays?

I buy films i want to watch over and over and over again, just because you would only watch it 5 times doesnt mean everyone else is the same as you.

(Y)

I like owning physical media to watch over and over again, of course, only those that really deserve it.

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I think renting is excellent for movies/tv shows that only make sense watching once or twice. I'd probably rent a season of Lost, but would never buy it. After watching it once, it looses all the excitement. Seinfeld and Family Guy (personal taste) are the complete opposite. I can watch them 100+ times and still get a laugh.

That's why I think media such as DVD, BluRay, [next format]+ will always have a market.

Are you the benchmark or the norm for video rental and watching thesedays?

I buy films i want to watch over and over and over again, just because you would only watch it 5 times doesnt mean everyone else is the same as you.

I'm not the benchmark and have not said so but business trends are. Rentals are stronger and stronger, sales are weaker and weaker. Netflix and others have grown at incredible rate because consumers want to rent more. Having convenience of all titles at your fingertips makes owning obsolete. The panic among studios because of declining sales was obvious even 2 years ago..that's why they wanted new type of approach to try to rejuvenate sales, unfortunately 2-3 years ago digital downloads weren't really that ready, but now they are adding more and more movies to digital delivery because they can see the potential.

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    • DuRoBo Krono Review: Portable E-Ink reader with great ideas that need a bit of improvement by Taras Buria Phone-sized e-readers are gaining traction these days, with more people treating them as a getaway device to cure phone addiction (or at least they are trying to) or having a more pocket-friendly reader that is easier to carry and hold. The market now has plenty of such readers to choose from, and DuRoBo is the latest addition, a new player that offers a more interesting approach to the idea. The Krono is a $279 e-reader with an interesting twist, which tries to make the device more fun and ergonomic. Here is my review. Disclaimer: DuRoBo provided the review sample without any editorial input or pre-approval. The Krono comes in a phone-sized box with pink accents. Inside, you get the device itself, a short user manual, and a USB cable. The cable is a bit old-fashioned, Type-A to Type-C, which is a bit disappointing. Hot take: I would rather have no cable in the box rather than another Type-A cable that gets immediately thrown into my box full of similar cables I never use. The Krono also has no charger in the box, as it relies on accessories you already own, which is fine with me. Here are the specs: Dimensions 154 x 80 x 9.0 mm or 6.06" x 3.15" x 0.35" 173 g or 6.10 oz Materials Black or White plastic Display 6.13-inch E-Ink Carta 1200, 1,648 x 824 pixels, 300 ppi Touch-capacitive. Dual-tone frontlight. Processor 8-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 690 (QTI SM6350) 2 performance cores at 2.07 GHz 4 efficiency cores at 1.71 GHz Memory 6 GB Storage 128GB, non-expandable ~104GB available out-of-the-box Operating system Android 15 with a custom launcher Connectivity Wi-Fi and Bluetooth Battery 3,950 mAh battery Buttons and port USB Type-C port Power button, Volume button, Smart Dial Breathing Lights Audio Mono Speaker and Dual microphones In the box The Krono, a Type-A to Type-C cable, user manual Price $279 on Amazon First impressions Right off the bat, no, this is not a phone replacement. Do not approach this device thinking it can serve you as a dumb phone to cure your TikTok addiction. In addition to the fact that the Krono has no cellular connectivity, I strongly believe that no amount of extra devices can fix your phone addiction until you put some serious effort into it. The Krono is a phone-sized e-reader, a companion for your phone dedicated to reading without distractions. The DuRoBo Krono is made of plastic with a very fine texture. It is hardly premium, but I also cannot say it feels cheap. The device is also a bit thick, quite dense, and well-built without rattling or cracking. You get to choose between two colors: white and black. The front has quite thick bezels, which is hardly surprising for an e-ink device. These things use front light, with LEDs usually placed on the screen perimeter. While I do not mind thicker bezels, the notably larger chin cheapens the look a little. What I mind is a notable seam between the display and the main case, which, after just two days of use, collected plenty of dust and specks. The back of the Krono is what makes the device stand out. There is a cylinder (DuRoBo calls it the Axis) embedded in the back of the reader, housing three elements: a power button on the right edge, a Smart Dial on the left edge, and "Breathing Lights" on the back. An etched DuRoBo logo sits below the cylinder, and it is the only piece of branding you can find on the device. Overall, the design and materials are very unassuming, but the cylinder with additional control elements certainly elevates the look and makes it more interesting. Other physical elements include two microphones (one on the top edge and one on the bottom edge), a USB Type-C port, a volume rocker, and a single mono speaker. There is no fingerprint reader, so if you want to protect your device, a PIN is your only option. The official TPU case is not the most premium-looking Display The Krono has a 6.1-inch E-Ink Carta 1200 touchscreen display with a resolution of 1,648 x 824 pixels (300 ppi). The display is front-lit, and you can adjust the brightness and temperature from cool to warm. Unfortunately, the Krono lacks automatic brightness and temperature adjustments, and you cannot set a custom schedule for the frontlight. However, you can set it to always enable frontlight so that you can see what is happening on the screen when turning it on in a dark environment. On the bright side (get it?), the front light can get extremely dim so that the screen is barely readable in a pitch-dark room. The front light is also uniform across the screen, with no noticeable temperature gradients. I am very susceptible to uneven front light, and it is very easy for me to notice it, but the Krono is doing a very good job in this area. I also like that the edge shadow is not very prominent and barely visible in the black variant. E-Ink Carta 1200 is not the newest generation (there are Carta 1250 and 1300), but it is still a good display. It supports three modes: Clarity, Speed, and Quality. In Clarity mode, text is very sharp and easy to read, but you trade that for more ghosting, a slower refresh rate, and more artifacts when the display changes images. Speed mode, as the name suggests, boosts refresh rate and reduces ghosting, but fine print and text become more jagged. Finally, Quality mode is only available in Android apps. It has the lowest refresh rate, but in return, you get much better visuals, improved gradients, and more. Like brightness and temperature, you can toggle modes from the control center. It is available when swiping from the top-right corner of the screen (the top-left is for notifications). I also like that the Krono can work as a desk clock when not in use. It has a bunch of screensavers, including horizontal clocks with time, date, and current battery level. The screen refreshes once per minute, and battery drain is extremely low (not even 1% in 24 hours). It is a great use of the technology, and another thing I wish more e-ink devices featured. Smart Dial The Smart Dial is Krono's main party trick. It sits on the left side of the device and serves multiple purposes. You can twist or press it to perform various actions, depending on the current use case scenario. When reading books, twisting the dial flips through pages, and pressing it refreshes the screen. On the home screen, the dial adjusts the brightness, and holding the dial pressed launches voice note recording. Finally, a quick double press launches the DuRoBo AI chatbot. While the dial scroll is not notched, it is very smooth and has haptic feedback that confirms your actions, which feels very nice. As a long-term Apple Watch user, I love the idea behind the dial. It feels very natural and oddly satisfying to use, especially with that subtle haptic feedback. I never liked flipping pages with touch input, and I strongly believe each e-reader should come with some sort of physical controls for turning pages. The Krono has both volume buttons (which also work as page turners) and the dial, so you are free to use whichever you prefer. With that said, the dial is not perfect. For one, it sticks out of the case way too far for my liking, raising concerns about durability and longevity when carrying the Krono around in a pocket (it is a pocket-sized device after all). Also, it has too much wobble, which cheapens the experience and makes it feel a bit flimsy and unsecured. While there are two plastic guards on the Krono's case, they are way too small for any kind of protection. I also think DuRoBo should let users customize dial actions (the only available customization is scroll direction), particularly for long and double presses. Not everyone needs voice notes, and DuRoBo AI does not work without an active internet connection, leaving the long press essentially useless when offline. I do not mind these features, and I genuinely think they are useful, but I would rather have the ability to toggle between screen modes, turn the frontlight on/off, or launch my favorite app. I also agree with people on Reddit asking developers to let users adjust the dial sensitivity. I hope this is something DuRoBo can implement with a software update to make the experience more personalized (it is a Smart Dial, after all) and incentivize users to fiddle with the Dial more often. The Dial is a fantastic idea, so please, guys, improve it a little. As for ergonomics, they are mostly fine, but the dial's position may feel a little awkward and way too high. When I use a phone or a phone-sized gadget, I tend to rest one of its corners on my palm for a more secure grip. With the Krono, such a grip is impossible because you cannot reach the dial even with big hands. You have to lower the reader a bit and hold it like a bottle without any extra support for the bottom edge. Such a grip is not necessarily uncomfortable (the Krono is also light enough for it), but it requires a bit of muscle retraining. Sometimes, I do not bother with the dial and hold the Krono like my phone, flipping through pages with volume buttons, as they are perfectly positioned for my right-hand thumb. Interestingly, when testing the Krono, I would often find myself thinking that a roller embedded in the long plastic cylinder on the back of the device would have been a much more comfortable solution. There is a free idea for you, guys. Software The Krono runs Android 15 with a very minimal launcher on top. The home screen presents you with a list of apps, a scrollable list of widgets, and your user profile. Widgets can display time, calendar, or recent books for quick access. You can also add or remove apps from the home screen to keep the most useful stuff around without tapping "Apps." I like this minimalistic approach; it looks clean, easy to understand, and light. I understand that some may find the list of all apps way too clean, but fortunately, DuRoBo lets you switch to traditional icons. The reader also has a bunch of preinstalled apps: Read: The default app for reading. Browser: A Chromium-based browser. Files: A simple file manager. Music: A simple music player. Spark: A voice recorder with transcription support and AI summarization DuRoBo AI: A built-in AI chatbot. Transfer: An app for file transfer over Wi-Fi. If that is not enough, there is the Google Play Store, where you can download all the extra apps you need, alternative readers, podcast apps, chatbots, and more. DuRoBo is not trying to give you an all-in-one device. The standard software experience is quite minimal, which makes it easy to approach and learn. The standard reader supports EPUB, EPUB3, AZW3, MOBI, PDF, TXT, DOC, and DOCX, which is more than enough to let you read most books without third-party software. As for customizing the reading experience, you can select one of five built-in fonts, adjust size and thickness, adjust margins and spacing (only three variants for each), change text alignment and direction, toggle the reading status bar, and switch to dark mode. There is also text-to-speech, which utilizes Android's default TTS tech. While I like the simplistic approach, I cannot help but feel DuRoBo could have made the built-in reader a bit more customizable. However, I am not going to bog down on this, as you can always install any other reader you prefer using the Play Store or by sideloading an APK. Getting books to the Krono is very simple. Given that the device is an Android smartphone without cellular connectivity, you can transfer files via a USB Type-C cable, download them using the built-in browser, share them over Bluetooth, or use cloud storage. My favorite was the built-in Transfer app. It is simple, reliable, and very well-designed. I was surprised by how well-designed the web portal is. It is fast, pretty, and properly categorized. Well done! Once you have your books loaded, you can highlight or underline text, add annotations, bookmark pages, check the table of contents, and ask AI about the selected text. Unfortunately, the Krono has no built-in vocabulary, but again, that is something a third-party reader could fix. Overall, the built-in reader is light and snappy, with just the minimum amount of features for a regular user to enjoy reading books. The Krono has no built-in reading tracking, so stat nerds will have to look for third-party reading apps. However, you can set a daily reading goal, and the reader will notify you when you reach it (for example, one hour). You can also set a reminder to read at a certain time, and when the time comes, the Krono will light up its back LEDs and unlock itself to nudge you. Other than that, the rear LEDs do nothing, not even showing charging progress, which is an unfortunate misopportunity if you ask me. Quirks aside, Krono's Android runs quite snappily and bug-free. Early reviews of the Krono criticized its Android 13-based software quite a lot, but now, the reader runs Android 15, and its software has fixed plenty of initial complaints. I never experienced any issues with built-in apps. AI attempts The DuRoBo Krono comes with a built-in AI chatbot. There is no information on what model powers this thing, but the system says it was "trained by Google." You can launch the bot from the app list or by double-pressing the dial. It works just like any other chatbot, and you can ask it anything by typing or using voice input. The AI saves your chats, and you can rename, export, or delete them. DuRoBo AI requires an active internet connection, and it does not work offline. Its reach and capabilities are also limited. You can only chat in the app and use it in the reader app as a makeshift vocabulary. However, the implementation is kinda awkward. You can only send a selected portion of text to AI without giving it any requests or instructions. I highlighted the word "dumb," and it apologized to me for not being useful. You also cannot ask follow-up questions or send the generated response to a separate chat. The chatbot is also slow, even with fast Wi-Fi, making the overall experience quite frustrating, which makes me again wish for the ability to remap the double press to something else. Spark, the standard voice recording app, also uses AI for note summarization and transcribing. Neither feature works offline, unfortunately. Spark records notes up to 30 minutes using Krono's dual microphones, and you can rename or export notes. Transcription quality is decent, and the speed is alright, but you can find much better solutions in the Google Play Store. What I like about Spark is that transcribed notes are not locked, and you can always type more to elaborate on your ideas, which is handy. Overall, I like that the Krono is not shoving AI down my throat, but to be honest, there is really not that much to shove. AI features here feel raw and need improvements to be more useful. Battery Life Like most E-Ink readers, the Krono has fantastic battery life. Even with a clock as a screensaver, its standby power consumption is incredibly low. And when in use, you can get weeks of reading on a single charge. Without the front light, my unit never sipped more than one or two percent of battery during a one-hour reading session. It was nice to see plenty of battery-related settings. You can limit charging at 80% to protect battery health long-term, check the number of charging cycles, manufacturing/first-time use date, battery health, and the maximum capacity. Additionally, the Krono lets you select what hardware remains enabled when sleeping. This lets you keep Wi-Fi and Bluetooth on (say, if you want to receive notifications, for some reason) and keep audio playing when locked. Turning these features off effectively eliminates any standby battery drain. I left my Krono sitting for 24 hours with a clock screensaver on, and it did not drop a single percent. The pretty big 3,950 mAh battery justifies the device's thickness and ensures you do not have to charge it for long periods. Speaking of charging, it is capped at only 10W, which is a bit disappointing, as getting such a big battery to 100% takes a notably long time in the era of super-fast charging smartphones. DuRoBo Moodi The Moodi is a standalone, optional accessory for your Krono. It is a wireless remote with two customizable buttons that you can use to flip pages, control media, or scroll webpages. The accessory connects via Bluetooth. Despite having a built-in rechargeable battery, it is extremely light. While the Moodi's shape and form factor is not what I would call particularly ergonomic, it is not uncomfortable to hold and use. The Moodi comes with six removable magnetic buttons with various smiley faces. Buttons sit securely, and they have nice-feeling, albeit a little loud, clicks. It is a cute touch that adds a little more fun and character to the device. There is also an accented power button and a single status LED. The latter displays charging status and connection mode. The Moodi supports three modes: Reading: Buttons work as volume buttons, allowing you to flip pages in the built-in reader or other apps that support page turning with volume buttons. Media: Buttons work as skip forward/backward, which is useful when listening to audiobooks, podcasts, or music. Scroll: The third mode lets you scroll pages in the web browser or any other application The Krono properly detects the Moodi and presents you with an on-screen guide when you connect it for the first time (it also displays the battery level). However, you can only change modes by holding both buttons for a few seconds. It is also worth noting that the Moodi works with other devices. I connected it to my iPhone and it let me adjust volume or control media playback. Sadly, the scroll did not work, so you cannot use it to waste time scrolling TikToks. Overall, the Moodi is a cute little accessory, which I can recommend for those who read a lot. It is very useful for remote page flipping when you do not want to burden your hands by holding the Krono all the time. I only wish DuRoBo included a lanyard for the built-in loop. As for the battery life, after using the Moodi for a few days, I only managed to drop several percent of its 90 mAh battery. Despite the small size, it is rated for weeks of use, which is pretty impressive. At $35.99, I cannot say the Moodi is a must-have accessory, but I see the appeal. I prefer using the Krono with its Smart Dial, as I rarely read for more than 40-60 minutes in one sitting. However, if you have a stand and like reading for long periods, the Moodi is the right thing to have. It is a bit more expensive than regular page flippers on Amazon, but it is on par with similar products from Kobo or BOOX. Plus, it has a little more fun to it with removable buttons and better integration into the Krono. Conclusion At the end of the day, DuRoBo Krono is a nice pocket-sized e-reader. Its software focuses on the main things without trying to be everything at once. The smart dial idea is unique and great, and I wish more manufacturers had something similar in their devices. The display is also good, with an even frontlight and "always-on" support. I did not notice any deal-breaking issues with the Krono. However, you can feel that the idea needs some improvements, such as a slightly stiffer dial in a more ergonomic location, perhaps a little more premium materials, and better software customization. I hope the company won't give up on the idea and improve the dial and ergonomics in the second generation. Buy DuRoBo Krono Black - $279.99 on Amazon Buy DuRoBo Krono White - $279.99 on Amazon Buy DuRoBo Moodi - $35.99 on Amazon As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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