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When player prices come down, and BR is integrated into just about everything like DVD, there's your solution to watching in multiple rooms.

As It stands just now with HDTV prices, most people will only have 1 HDTV.

There's much more technology savyness required to stream as well, than popping a disc in a player.

What does that mean? Blu-Ray prices will never or won't in general reach prices of DVDs .. people have hard time getting one.. little less 2 or more for each room..

And it's irrelevant that a lot of people have 1 TV.. a lot have 2 or 3.. kids room, bedroom, living room.. they might be smaller TVs but there's plenty of people..

A response to buy multiple players is EXACTLY why optical media is done.. nobody wants to buy several items anymore when they are offered one centralized solution for their streaming for much less money.

This is the advantage of digital. We are all switching to it and it's coming very soon. The prices are dropping, media center extenders are dropping, TVs have embedded streaming capabilities and downloads. It's all coming together and it's already here.. next 3-4 years it will just go mainstream..that's all it needs. I think the more people experience digital that will be the only way for them.

What does that mean? Blu-Ray prices will never or won't in general reach prices of DVDs .. people have hard time getting one.. little less 2 or more for each room..

And it's irrelevant that a lot of people have 1 TV.. a lot have 2 or 3.. kids room, bedroom, living room.. they might be smaller TVs but there's plenty of people..

A response to buy multiple players is EXACTLY why optical media is done.. nobody wants to buy several items anymore when they are offered one centralized solution for their streaming for much less money.

This is the advantage of digital. We are all switching to it and it's coming very soon. The prices are dropping, media center extenders are dropping, TVs have embedded streaming capabilities and downloads. It's all coming together and it's already here.. next 3-4 years it will just go mainstream..that's all it needs. I think the more people experience digital that will be the only way for them.

There's where I stop.

How you know that Boz blows my mind :blink:

I'll stick to logic with technology, it all comes down in price and near the end of it's life cycle hits very lows as new technology comes into replace it. Just like how you can buy DVDs dirt cheap right now. SD whether or not anyone likes it, is nearing the end of it's life in terms of technology progression. Of course it will exist for goodness knows how many years to come, your dvds don't expire :laugh:

And it's irrelevant that a lot of people have 1 TV.. a lot have 2 or 3.. kids room, bedroom, living room.. they might be smaller TVs but there's plenty of people..

Fair enough, but you always go on about how on small TVs upscaled DVDs look as good as HD, so the kids room TV is probably not going to be high on the roster for going to Blu Ray any time soon - Meaning when it probably does go HD, it'll be in quite a few years time, and guess what? Prices will be much more affordable in a few years.

Which is what I was saying above. People will upgrade to new technology a step at a time. I seriously doubt multi-tv owners are going to go out and buy 2/3/4/5+ HDTVs at once, and buy the respective amount of HD players. New technology is too expensive for the majority of people to upgrade 1 TV, let alone 4.

I have 2 HDTVs in my house, alongside 3/4 SDTVs still. The SDTVs are in places like the kitchen/spare room and a bedroom. Places which don't need to be rushed to new technology until it's affordable to have HD in every room.

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Which is what I was saying above. People will upgrade to new technology a step at a time. I seriously doubt multi-tv owners are going to go out and buy 2/3/4/5+ HDTVs at once, and buy the respective amount of HD players. New technology is too expensive for the majority of people to upgrade 1 TV, let alone 4.

That's what I'm trying to point out here. People already have digital download capabilities. They have PCs or Macs or whatever that allows them with minimal investments to migrate to downloads. I know plenty of people who are totally non-tech people but they use Netflix online to watch movies and they use their PC.

When you have high prices and people can use something with the things they've already spent money on, they'll most likely use what they already have then buy new stuff.

Explosion of digital download services including Sony one is very telling of what and where we are all going IMO.

The way I see it is quite simple. The change from VHS to DVD was from one type of format to another type of format, even from a physical format viewpoint. The change from DVD to BD, is pretty much the same, its still a disc, just with more space.

That's why I now think that the real format transition of the future may be digital downloads because DVD caught on because it was quite radically different then VHS. While BD is the same as DVD, digital downloads could be that transition that more consumers go for.

VHS > DVD > No physical disc - digital downloads

With the way people have adapted to downloading music off stores like iTunes, its quite obvious that people are willing to leave behind physical discs in favour of downloading there music digitally and then being able to put it on a disc if they want to. If consumers can adapt from CD discs to downloading digitally, why can't they do the same for movies?

No doubt, that there's still alot of un-answered questions like how would you play your downloads on your TV, or what if you don't have an internet connection, but yeah the possibilities are definitely there. Sony's PSN is a great example of a slow transition to digital downloads. We can pretty much purchase games online now, and don't have a physical disc, yes we still have to buy the console to play it on, but you get my drift. :p

Bluray isn't garbage, but it just hasn't caught on fire as I had expected (and hoped).

Going with how technology has been in the past few years, I believe that CD-DVD technology will be gone completely within 5-10 years, and it will be replaced with solid-state completely. Get rid of moving parts. It's slow, and people with computers do not like slow, no matter how fast it is. ;)

Floppy disks were first, and now HDDs. Next up - the disappearance of CD-DVD and it will be completely streamed or downloadable to Solid State technology.

Things like Internet TV are appearing/have appeared. They just aren't widespread because people haven't really and truly found out about them yet.

The way I see it is quite simple. The change from VHS to DVD was from one type of format to another type of format, even from a physical format viewpoint. The change from DVD to BD, is pretty much the same, its still a disc, just with more space.

That's why I now think that the real format transition of the future may be digital downloads because DVD caught on because it was quite radically different then VHS. While BD is the same as DVD, digital downloads could be that transition that more consumers go for.

VHS > DVD > No physical disc - digital downloads

With the way people have adapted to downloading music off stores like iTunes, its quite obvious that people are willing to leave behind physical discs in favour of downloading there music digitally and then being able to put it on a disc if they want to. If consumers can adapt from CD discs to downloading digitally, why can't they do the same for movies?

Exactly!

Apple has like 80-90% of mp3 market because they pioneered digital downloads with iTunes. Just look what happened afterwards. Amazon Unbox, Yahoo also has some similar thing too, Netflix, Xbox Live, PSN store etc etc.. it's undoubtably the next logical step that people actually want.

Music is a much more portable media 'type', and benefits from smaller physical storage space. Video is a much more 'static'. By that I mean you don't walk to work watching a video, or drive etc. Quality and features wins out more often than portability.

Exactly!

Apple has like 80-90% of mp3 market because they pioneered digital downloads with iTunes. Just look what happened afterwards. Amazon Unbox, Yahoo also has some similar thing too, Netflix, Xbox Live, PSN store etc etc.. it's undoubtably the next logical step that people actually want.

The optical discs require a straightforward player that adheres to the standard.

1 download service is not gonna offer every movie you want. This means you'll need 2 or more services, which may have incompatible codecs. A unit being able to play such content is going to be quite expensive. for it to be playable you need a unit with the ability to play will require something that is near enough a PC.

If user x downloads a movie then wants to take it to a user y, they have to have compatible players which will not adhere to a strict standard.

I'm not to keen on having a htpc under each tv, or having to remember to boot up a server every time. On the other hand its not exactly environmentally friendly to leave a server running. using DD around the home requires some kind of network infrastructure in your home that the masses often do not understand.

And then there is the geniuses who put drm on downloads to prevent all but one device playing them.

Tryed and explain codecs to Joe Bloggs? Exactly, there'll be a lot of calls to tech support on why their streaming device won't play a certain file.

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I don't see why this topic is 9 pages long. Blu-Ray is not dead and digital downloads (for video) are no where near mainstream. If you guys are going to argue that Blu-Ray isn't mainstream around 5% (considering the format war ended not long ago, that isn't bad), you can hardly say that digital downloads are the way of the future since they hold what, a whopping <1% so far?

I won't be waiting for your response, Boz. For some reason or another, you're extremely anti-BD and always want the next best thing even though BD isn't going anywhere any time soon. While Samsung fails to make a player that can compete with Sony's offerings [and slams the format at the same time due to their shortcomings with it], I'll enjoy my HDM on whatever medium I can get it. BD is the most efficient method right now as movies run around 40GB. When lossless audio becomes smaller in size due to more efficient codecs and 1080p video can be delivered under 10gb on average, you let me know.

One argument I saw through this whole mess is:

"you'll have to buy a player for each room"

So you have a DVD player in each room? That must have cost you a fortune. :rolleyes:

"...DVD's are cheaper"

and I also remember

"HD-DVD is based off of DVD technology, that's why it's cheaper"

and there is only one reason why it's cheaper. Because it's older and the technology is dirt cheap. So, what's the problem with Blu-Ray? You'll have to buy a new player for each room. Well, DVD wasn't very cheap in it's first years, but you had to buy a new player for each room. So what's the point? Blu-Ray, in time, will be just as cheap. Oh, I remember, Blu-Ray is developed by Sony,

THATS why Blu-Ray is destined to die in 2012.

Not only that, but most American's don't have HDTV sets. That's why the DTV converter box is a big deal these days. And when was HDTV introduced? A long time ago. So if most Americans don't have an HDTV set, what make you think that digital downloads, the most sophisticated distribution technology available, is going to overtake a physical format? We're not that close to cloud computing yet.

1 download service is not gonna offer every movie you want

This is where I think you are very wrong. Blu-Ray won't have every movie because it requires significant resources to replicate, and market those movies not to mention regional coding or the ability to get french movies for example that I want because of it. Digital downloads is much convenient delivery so much that studio only needs to re-encode the movie or make a digital transfer and export to any service or digital service or multiple providers (XBL, PSN, Hulu, VOD or whatever). This applies to older movies too that are either too costly to manufacture or simply won't make as much money to cover the costs of publishing on Blu-Ray. I have heard this from the mouth of one of the directors of home entertainment division of one major studio that is pretty close to BDA.

If anything you will not see ALL movies on Blu-Ray and you actually might see all movies in digital form.

And who says you won't have all movies? iTunes already has all studios. XBL and Vudu and other services have pretty much access to all studios as well. Of course, Sony again is the one who is trying to kill off real progress in technology because they own studios and will again try to sabotage consumers to get something that IS TRULY next gen by trying to limit services to get their movies in order to protect Blu-ray but essentially they will have to support digital downloads just like we can see they were forced with PSN.

All movies will be available on any service because it's not a problem for a studio to release all of them with the same movie. Just different encodes or containers if they are using different ones. In general encodes are similar everywhere or will be.. it's either going to be VC1 or AVC and it's really not a problem because most digital players and media extenders along with PCs read all this without problems.

I don't see why this topic is 9 pages long. Blu-Ray is not dead and digital downloads (for video) are no where near mainstream. If you guys are going to argue that Blu-Ray isn't mainstream around 5% (considering the format war ended not long ago, that isn't bad), you can hardly say that digital downloads are the way of the future since they hold what, a whopping <1% so far?

I won't be waiting for your response, Boz. For some reason or another, you're extremely anti-BD and always want the next best thing even though BD isn't going anywhere any time soon. While Samsung fails to make a player that can compete with Sony's offerings [and slams the format at the same time due to their shortcomings with it], I'll enjoy my HDM on whatever medium I can get it. BD is the most efficient method right now as movies run around 40GB. When lossless audio becomes smaller in size due to more efficient codecs and 1080p video can be delivered under 10gb on average, you let me know.

First of all provide your number for 5% for Blu-Ray PLEEEEEEASE!!! Nonsense.. Blu-Ray is barely at 2-3% of the MARKET. The top 20 disc revenue means zero when the number of units is what counts. Typical BDA BS lies and spins to try to portrait Blu-Ray in a good shape when it's not.

I want the next best thing and yes digital downloads and other types of media are the next best thing. Optical is history they are just fighting so hard not to lose that revenue stream and CE companies are fighting to preserve their old way of doing things because it requires money for them to switch to digital devices and essentially lose optical completely. They still produce VHS for Christ Sake. That shows how willing they really are to push old ass technologies to make a buck. Thankfully the progress is getting out of their hands.

BD is currently the highest quality medium, but this doesn't mean anything really because the movie I watch in 1080p in HD with DD+ on Vudu is so close to Blu-ray quality that it is completely indistinguishable and I simply cannot see ANYONE mainstream minding either. And that's today.. 3-5 years from now.. WHOOOHOOO who knows where we'll be technologically but we sure ain't going to be pushing optical media and Blu-Ray.

Losless audio means nothing to 99% of people and I don't care really what you want. I care that we get great sound that everyone enjoys, not only a few with $10k speakers and $2000 recievers and when majority of people have 55"+ HDTVs then I will say that 1080p is the ONLY way to go because you do lose quality if you watch 720p footage on TVs that size and above. For 99% of people 720p HD looks the same as 1080p on their TVs. I have already shown that with screenshots. The only real quality loss you will experience in 720p on a huge ass screen that maybe 1% of consumers have.

And for your record.. an average movie in 1080p is not 40gb.. it's between 15-25gb.. when converted to something more optimized you can indeed push it down to a bit higher compession but also to 720p HD without any significant loss in quality. At least not noticeable to the viewer. I have done so many times. I do encode my movies to h.264 1080p with DD+ and they hover around 10gb or so..

You missed the point, theres no guarantee of cross compatibility between devices.

There's no guarantee that all your movies will work the same on different Blu-Ray player depending if it's Profile 1.0, 1.1, 2.0.

With digital.. a file is a file.. if a device supports it's playback it will play. Since mostly all of them are using some standard, be it h.264 or VC1 or WMV or DivX or whatever.. computer or console or extender will read it.

But that's not even a point.. we are talking about renting things..that's the whole point.. people don't want to own anymore IMO from what I've seen. They simply don't want to stack discs they end up selling at ridiculous costs or collect dust. It's reality, this is why Netflix propelled in business incredibly fast.

There's no guarantee that all your movies will work the same on different Blu-Ray player depending if it's Profile 1.0, 1.1, 2.0.

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I'm not going over that one again!

How can you tell what people want anyway? you are not everyone.

People have figures to try and speculate trends on, but no one in here has any source that will 100% validate a claim of Blu Ray being gone by 2012.

Not even Samsung themselves have a flying clue...

"I think it [blu-ray] has 5 years left, I certainly wouldn't give it 10"

I think?

There we go.

Now for another 10 pages

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Well, you're more than welcome to state your sources too.
The market share and revenue for Blu-ray Disc, as reported by Home Media Magazine, were down for the week ending August 10th.

Perhaps due to no new strong strong performing titles, the market share was back down to 7% for the top 20 titles and the revenues were off 26.88% to $6.89M.

http://www.blu-raystats.com/NewsLog/2008/0...ng-august-10th/

That's 7% for the TOP 20 TITLES sold on Blu-Ray and DVD and it's REVENUE not unit sales. With numbers this weak in top 20 REVENUE the unit sales are down right miserable. 5% is maybe in some fairy-tale where Blu-Ray fanboys dream about it's success. The REAL numbers for Blu-Ray in sales units is so low that they don't want to publish it. Considering that average Blu-Ray movie is 2-3 times more expensive then DVD.. even if revenue of Blu-Ray was 7% of ALL DVDs sold, they would still have 2-3 less units sold and that would make it at about 2-3% in unit sales. But considering that they are counting only top 20 titles (let's not forget millions and millions of other units sold on DVD) Blu-Ray's unit sales market share is laughably low. I think would be SURPRISED if they were actually 2% unit sales.

Also interesting article that pretty much agrees with me and others here who support the notion that digital downloads are the way to go:

http://www.thestandard.com/news/2008/07/01...-new-format-war

Seriously. Why do you keep pushing DD when people have said zillions of times over that until EVERYONE has decent NONCAPPED Internet connections that is accessible on every TV in their houses then it's a non starter.

I sometimes wish I could see into some alternative universe in which HD-DVD won, just so I could see if you would still be proclaiming physical media dead. Based on previous posts here before HD-DVD lost and elsewhere on the internet, I'd guess that would be highly unlikely.

There's no guarantee that all your movies will work the same on different Blu-Ray player depending if it's Profile 1.0, 1.1, 2.0.

:rolleyes: The actual movie will run perfectly fine on any player. Quit spreading FUD. The majority of new players are 2.0 compatible anyway now so this is moot.

First of all provide your number for 5% for Blu-Ray PLEEEEEEASE!!! Nonsense.. Blu-Ray is barely at 2-3% of the MARKET. The top 20 disc revenue means zero when the number of units is what counts. Typical BDA BS lies and spins to try to portrait Blu-Ray in a good shape when it's not.

http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/questex/ho...TB/index.php#/4

6% really.

I want the next best thing and yes digital downloads and other types of media are the next best thing. Optical is history they are just fighting so hard not to lose that revenue stream and CE companies are fighting to preserve their old way of doing things because it requires money for them to switch to digital devices and essentially lose optical completely. They still produce VHS for Christ Sake. That shows how willing they really are to push old ass technologies to make a buck. Thankfully the progress is getting out of their hands.

Show me a new movie on VHS, lol. Optical rules right now. It is the cheapest solution [especially now that broadband is being put at a premium]. If optical were history, we wouldn't be buying it now, would we? But that won't fit your argument.

BD is currently the highest quality medium, but this doesn't mean anything really because the movie I watch in 1080p in HD with DD+ on Vudu is so close to Blu-ray quality that it is completely indistinguishable and I simply cannot see ANYONE mainstream minding either. And that's today.. 3-5 years from now.. WHOOOHOOO who knows where we'll be technologically but we sure ain't going to be pushing optical media and Blu-Ray.

Straight from the Vudu site - the unit is $299. How is that any different from a BD player? It gets even better - rental prices are no better than physical copies [which as you said above are superior] and owning rights aren't discounted either. So you're paying around the same and getting less. Wow, that makes sense.

Losless audio means nothing to 99% of people and I don't care really what you want. I care that we get great sound that everyone enjoys, not only a few with $10k speakers and $2000 recievers and when majority of people have 55"+ HDTVs then I will say that 1080p is the ONLY way to go because you do lose quality if you watch 720p footage on TVs that size and above. For 99% of people 720p HD looks the same as 1080p on their TVs. I have already shown that with screenshots. The only real quality loss you will experience in 720p on a huge ass screen that maybe 1% of consumers have.

I'll pull one of your tricks - PROOF? Sources? Anything?! A litmus test on Neowin is hardly consensus.

And for your record.. an average movie in 1080p is not 40gb.. it's between 15-25gb.. when converted to something more optimized you can indeed push it down to a bit higher compession but also to 720p HD without any significant loss in quality. At least not noticeable to the viewer. I have done so many times. I do encode my movies to h.264 1080p with DD+ and they hover around 10gb or so..

You apparently can't read. I know you can find 1080p encodes around 10-15gb. What you can't find are encodes with decent sound. They do not sound the same as they do on disc, sound system or not. Also, refer back to broadband coming at a premium now.

http://www.blu-raystats.com/NewsLog/2008/0...ng-august-10th/

That's 7% for the TOP 20 TITLES sold on Blu-Ray and DVD and it's REVENUE not unit sales. With numbers this weak in top 20 REVENUE the unit sales are down right miserable. 5% is maybe in some fairy-tale where Blu-Ray fanboys dream about it's success. The REAL numbers for Blu-Ray in sales units is so low that they don't want to publish it. Considering that average Blu-Ray movie is 2-3 times more expensive then DVD.. even if revenue of Blu-Ray was 7% of ALL DVDs sold, they would still have 2-3 less units sold and that would make it at about 2-3% in unit sales. But considering that they are counting only top 20 titles (let's not forget millions and millions of other units sold on DVD) Blu-Ray's unit sales market share is laughably low.

Also interesting article that pretty much agrees with me and others here who support the notion that digital downloads are the way to go:

http://www.thestandard.com/news/2008/07/01...-new-format-war

So the statistics don't count simply because you don't agree with them and then you pull 2-3% right out of your head? Woah, you're good. Who needs proof when you can figure up everything yourself.

I think Blu-ray will still be around for a while because:

- 40GB is still a lot to download -- even with increased internet bandwith.

- Storing more than 2 dozen movies is a pain in the azz.

- Storage is shifting over to SSD which for the near future will be high $:GB

-Having a case is still mighty nice...for me anyway.

:rolleyes: The actual movie will run perfectly fine on any player. Quit spreading FUD. The majority of new players are 2.0 compatible anyway now so this is moot.

Absolutely not true. I have witnessed people coming to my Blockbuster store complaining that the Blu-ray movies they rented won't work on them that turned out because they had a standalone that didn't fully support features on the disc so the disc locked out.

Nobody is spreading FUD.. you are the one with ZERO support for what you are saying. The firmware updates companies release are exactly the reason for that but unfortunately not everyone has the know how to download firmware onto a disc and then flash the player so they end up with non-working disc.

And please stop talking about HD DVD.. your bitterness is unfounded. You can't blame HD DVD forever because Blu-Ray is not successful as you had hoped.

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For one, it sticks out of the case way too far for my liking, raising concerns about durability and longevity when carrying the Krono around in a pocket (it is a pocket-sized device after all). Also, it has too much wobble, which cheapens the experience and makes it feel a bit flimsy and unsecured. While there are two plastic guards on the Krono's case, they are way too small for any kind of protection. I also think DuRoBo should let users customize dial actions (the only available customization is scroll direction), particularly for long and double presses. Not everyone needs voice notes, and DuRoBo AI does not work without an active internet connection, leaving the long press essentially useless when offline. I do not mind these features, and I genuinely think they are useful, but I would rather have the ability to toggle between screen modes, turn the frontlight on/off, or launch my favorite app. I also agree with people on Reddit asking developers to let users adjust the dial sensitivity. I hope this is something DuRoBo can implement with a software update to make the experience more personalized (it is a Smart Dial, after all) and incentivize users to fiddle with the Dial more often. The Dial is a fantastic idea, so please, guys, improve it a little. As for ergonomics, they are mostly fine, but the dial's position may feel a little awkward and way too high. When I use a phone or a phone-sized gadget, I tend to rest one of its corners on my palm for a more secure grip. With the Krono, such a grip is impossible because you cannot reach the dial even with big hands. You have to lower the reader a bit and hold it like a bottle without any extra support for the bottom edge. Such a grip is not necessarily uncomfortable (the Krono is also light enough for it), but it requires a bit of muscle retraining. Sometimes, I do not bother with the dial and hold the Krono like my phone, flipping through pages with volume buttons, as they are perfectly positioned for my right-hand thumb. Interestingly, when testing the Krono, I would often find myself thinking that a roller embedded in the long plastic cylinder on the back of the device would have been a much more comfortable solution. There is a free idea for you, guys. Software The Krono runs Android 15 with a very minimal launcher on top. The home screen presents you with a list of apps, a scrollable list of widgets, and your user profile. Widgets can display time, calendar, or recent books for quick access. You can also add or remove apps from the home screen to keep the most useful stuff around without tapping "Apps." I like this minimalistic approach; it looks clean, easy to understand, and light. I understand that some may find the list of all apps way too clean, but fortunately, DuRoBo lets you switch to traditional icons. The reader also has a bunch of preinstalled apps: Read: The default app for reading. Browser: A Chromium-based browser. Files: A simple file manager. Music: A simple music player. Spark: A voice recorder with transcription support and AI summarization DuRoBo AI: A built-in AI chatbot. Transfer: An app for file transfer over Wi-Fi. If that is not enough, there is the Google Play Store, where you can download all the extra apps you need, alternative readers, podcast apps, chatbots, and more. DuRoBo is not trying to give you an all-in-one device. The standard software experience is quite minimal, which makes it easy to approach and learn. The standard reader supports EPUB, EPUB3, AZW3, MOBI, PDF, TXT, DOC, and DOCX, which is more than enough to let you read most books without third-party software. As for customizing the reading experience, you can select one of five built-in fonts, adjust size and thickness, adjust margins and spacing (only three variants for each), change text alignment and direction, toggle the reading status bar, and switch to dark mode. There is also text-to-speech, which utilizes Android's default TTS tech. While I like the simplistic approach, I cannot help but feel DuRoBo could have made the built-in reader a bit more customizable. However, I am not going to bog down on this, as you can always install any other reader you prefer using the Play Store or by sideloading an APK. Getting books to the Krono is very simple. Given that the device is an Android smartphone without cellular connectivity, you can transfer files via a USB Type-C cable, download them using the built-in browser, share them over Bluetooth, or use cloud storage. My favorite was the built-in Transfer app. It is simple, reliable, and very well-designed. I was surprised by how well-designed the web portal is. It is fast, pretty, and properly categorized. Well done! Once you have your books loaded, you can highlight or underline text, add annotations, bookmark pages, check the table of contents, and ask AI about the selected text. Unfortunately, the Krono has no built-in vocabulary, but again, that is something a third-party reader could fix. Overall, the built-in reader is light and snappy, with just the minimum amount of features for a regular user to enjoy reading books. The Krono has no built-in reading tracking, so stat nerds will have to look for third-party reading apps. However, you can set a daily reading goal, and the reader will notify you when you reach it (for example, one hour). You can also set a reminder to read at a certain time, and when the time comes, the Krono will light up its back LEDs and unlock itself to nudge you. Other than that, the rear LEDs do nothing, not even showing charging progress, which is an unfortunate misopportunity if you ask me. Quirks aside, Krono's Android runs quite snappily and bug-free. Early reviews of the Krono criticized its Android 13-based software quite a lot, but now, the reader runs Android 15, and its software has fixed plenty of initial complaints. I never experienced any issues with built-in apps. AI attempts The DuRoBo Krono comes with a built-in AI chatbot. There is no information on what model powers this thing, but the system says it was "trained by Google." You can launch the bot from the app list or by double-pressing the dial. It works just like any other chatbot, and you can ask it anything by typing or using voice input. The AI saves your chats, and you can rename, export, or delete them. DuRoBo AI requires an active internet connection, and it does not work offline. Its reach and capabilities are also limited. You can only chat in the app and use it in the reader app as a makeshift vocabulary. However, the implementation is kinda awkward. You can only send a selected portion of text to AI without giving it any requests or instructions. I highlighted the word "dumb," and it apologized to me for not being useful. You also cannot ask follow-up questions or send the generated response to a separate chat. The chatbot is also slow, even with fast Wi-Fi, making the overall experience quite frustrating, which makes me again wish for the ability to remap the double press to something else. Spark, the standard voice recording app, also uses AI for note summarization and transcribing. Neither feature works offline, unfortunately. Spark records notes up to 30 minutes using Krono's dual microphones, and you can rename or export notes. Transcription quality is decent, and the speed is alright, but you can find much better solutions in the Google Play Store. What I like about Spark is that transcribed notes are not locked, and you can always type more to elaborate on your ideas, which is handy. Overall, I like that the Krono is not shoving AI down my throat, but to be honest, there is really not that much to shove. AI features here feel raw and need improvements to be more useful. Battery Life Like most E-Ink readers, the Krono has fantastic battery life. Even with a clock as a screensaver, its standby power consumption is incredibly low. And when in use, you can get weeks of reading on a single charge. Without the front light, my unit never sipped more than one or two percent of battery during a one-hour reading session. It was nice to see plenty of battery-related settings. You can limit charging at 80% to protect battery health long-term, check the number of charging cycles, manufacturing/first-time use date, battery health, and the maximum capacity. Additionally, the Krono lets you select what hardware remains enabled when sleeping. This lets you keep Wi-Fi and Bluetooth on (say, if you want to receive notifications, for some reason) and keep audio playing when locked. Turning these features off effectively eliminates any standby battery drain. I left my Krono sitting for 24 hours with a clock screensaver on, and it did not drop a single percent. The pretty big 3,950 mAh battery justifies the device's thickness and ensures you do not have to charge it for long periods. Speaking of charging, it is capped at only 10W, which is a bit disappointing, as getting such a big battery to 100% takes a notably long time in the era of super-fast charging smartphones. DuRoBo Moodi The Moodi is a standalone, optional accessory for your Krono. It is a wireless remote with two customizable buttons that you can use to flip pages, control media, or scroll webpages. The accessory connects via Bluetooth. Despite having a built-in rechargeable battery, it is extremely light. While the Moodi's shape and form factor is not what I would call particularly ergonomic, it is not uncomfortable to hold and use. The Moodi comes with six removable magnetic buttons with various smiley faces. Buttons sit securely, and they have nice-feeling, albeit a little loud, clicks. It is a cute touch that adds a little more fun and character to the device. There is also an accented power button and a single status LED. The latter displays charging status and connection mode. The Moodi supports three modes: Reading: Buttons work as volume buttons, allowing you to flip pages in the built-in reader or other apps that support page turning with volume buttons. Media: Buttons work as skip forward/backward, which is useful when listening to audiobooks, podcasts, or music. Scroll: The third mode lets you scroll pages in the web browser or any other application The Krono properly detects the Moodi and presents you with an on-screen guide when you connect it for the first time (it also displays the battery level). However, you can only change modes by holding both buttons for a few seconds. It is also worth noting that the Moodi works with other devices. I connected it to my iPhone and it let me adjust volume or control media playback. Sadly, the scroll did not work, so you cannot use it to waste time scrolling TikToks. Overall, the Moodi is a cute little accessory, which I can recommend for those who read a lot. It is very useful for remote page flipping when you do not want to burden your hands by holding the Krono all the time. I only wish DuRoBo included a lanyard for the built-in loop. As for the battery life, after using the Moodi for a few days, I only managed to drop several percent of its 90 mAh battery. Despite the small size, it is rated for weeks of use, which is pretty impressive. At $35.99, I cannot say the Moodi is a must-have accessory, but I see the appeal. I prefer using the Krono with its Smart Dial, as I rarely read for more than 40-60 minutes in one sitting. However, if you have a stand and like reading for long periods, the Moodi is the right thing to have. It is a bit more expensive than regular page flippers on Amazon, but it is on par with similar products from Kobo or BOOX. Plus, it has a little more fun to it with removable buttons and better integration into the Krono. Conclusion At the end of the day, DuRoBo Krono is a nice pocket-sized e-reader. Its software focuses on the main things without trying to be everything at once. The smart dial idea is unique and great, and I wish more manufacturers had something similar in their devices. The display is also good, with an even frontlight and "always-on" support. I did not notice any deal-breaking issues with the Krono. However, you can feel that the idea needs some improvements, such as a slightly stiffer dial in a more ergonomic location, perhaps a little more premium materials, and better software customization. I hope the company won't give up on the idea and improve the dial and ergonomics in the second generation. Buy DuRoBo Krono Black - $279.99 on Amazon Buy DuRoBo Krono White - $279.99 on Amazon Buy DuRoBo Moodi - $35.99 on Amazon As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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