Ci7 Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 When NVIDIA claimed that CUDA on combo with a fast GPU is very powerfull to use for computing, I'm pretty sure they didn't have this in mind. An interesting article over at SC Magazine. Seems a Russian firm is using the latest NVidia GPU's to increase WiFi password recovery by 10000%. Amazing in how powerful GPU's have become in the last few years eh ?Global Secure Systems has said that a Russian's firm's use of the latest NVidia graphics cards to accelerate WiFi ?password recovery' times by up to an astonishing 10,000 per cent proves that WiFi's WPA and WPA2 encryption systems are no longer enough to protect wireless data. David Hobson, managing director of GSS, claimed that companies can no longer view standards-based WiFi transmission as sufficiently secure against eavesdropping to be used with impunity. He also said that the use of VPNs is arguably now mandatory for companies wanting to comply with the Data Protection Act. He said: ?This breakthrough in brute force decryption of WiFi signals by Elcomsoft confirms our observations that firms can no longer rely on standards-based security to protect their data. As a result, we now advise clients using WiFi in their offices to move on up to a VPN encryption system as well. ?Brute force decryption of the WPA and WPA2 systems using parallel processing has been on the theoretical possibilities horizon for some time - and presumably employed by relevant government agencies in extreme situations - but the use of the latest NVidia cards to speedup decryption on a standard PC is extremely worrying. ?The $64,000 question, of course, is what happens when hackers secure a pecuniary advantage by gaining access to company data flowing across a WPA or WPA2-encrypted wireless connection. Will the Information Commissioner take action against the company concerned for an effective breach of the Data Protection Act. Thanks Zinjin for reporting his news. source OMG ! hmm our neighbors got WiFi ,i could use some help from my:devil: :devil: 10000% acc can do wander Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/681010-latest-nvidia-gpus-used-to-accelerate-cracking-wifi/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
primexx Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 what's this VPN encryption the article speaks of? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/681010-latest-nvidia-gpus-used-to-accelerate-cracking-wifi/#findComment-589951098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farstrider Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Very interesting, but has been posted on the front page! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/681010-latest-nvidia-gpus-used-to-accelerate-cracking-wifi/#findComment-589951114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ci7 Posted October 11, 2008 Author Share Posted October 11, 2008 Very interesting, but has been posted on the front page! didnt notice that cause it have another title ..... :( Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/681010-latest-nvidia-gpus-used-to-accelerate-cracking-wifi/#findComment-589951170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSmiggins Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 10,000 percent of what? I mean if it's 50 million years (obviously it's not) then it's still not worth it. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/681010-latest-nvidia-gpus-used-to-accelerate-cracking-wifi/#findComment-589951178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ci7 Posted October 11, 2008 Author Share Posted October 11, 2008 10,000 percent of what?I mean if it's 50 million years (obviously it's not) then it's still not worth it. 10k time faster using gpu imgine using sli or heck gpus farm ! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/681010-latest-nvidia-gpus-used-to-accelerate-cracking-wifi/#findComment-589951194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budious Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 10,000% = 100x faster than CPU ... 100% faster would be 2x CPU Using the methods described in the article, theoretical performance is boosted up to 100x than typical. The length of time to crack a simple password used for WPA/WPA2 is now going to be vulnerable. Strong passwords and especially, lengthy strong passwords, won't be vulnerable anytime soon. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/681010-latest-nvidia-gpus-used-to-accelerate-cracking-wifi/#findComment-589951214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
primexx Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 10,000% = 100x faster than CPU ... 100% faster would be 2x CPU Using the methods described in the article, theoretical performance is boosted up to 100x than typical. The length of time to crack a simple password used for WPA/WPA2 is now going to be vulnerable. Strong passwords and especially, lengthy strong passwords, won't be vulnerable anytime soon. wait so the crack would presumably be still on the passkey itself instead of the algorithm yea? in which case 63 character printable-ascii keys would still be relatively secure. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/681010-latest-nvidia-gpus-used-to-accelerate-cracking-wifi/#findComment-589951294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSmiggins Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 10k time faster using gpu imgine using sli or heck gpus farm ! Yes, 10k times faster. But 10k times faster than what? Just gets me how they can't actually put a time scale on it (yeah, I know, processor speeds vary etc) I mean my Q6600 is probably at least 10k times faster than a 286, but neither's going to be able to model every particle of matter in the universe in real time. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/681010-latest-nvidia-gpus-used-to-accelerate-cracking-wifi/#findComment-589951318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ci7 Posted October 11, 2008 Author Share Posted October 11, 2008 Yes, 10k times faster.But 10k times faster than what? Just gets me how they can't actually put a time scale on it (yeah, I know, processor speeds vary etc) I mean my Q6600 is probably at least 10k times faster than a 286, but neither's going to be able to model every particle of matter in the universe in real time. faster then cpu but you got your point (Y) .... faster then athlon x64 or core 2 duo or top of the line QX9700 that remain untold too bad Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/681010-latest-nvidia-gpus-used-to-accelerate-cracking-wifi/#findComment-589951424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 So... what are you all waiting for. Pull out your wallets and start on buying those NVIDIA GPUs and get on with cracking 'em WiFi passwords! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/681010-latest-nvidia-gpus-used-to-accelerate-cracking-wifi/#findComment-589951614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMaster23 Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 And this is why we use IPSec LAN connections ;) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/681010-latest-nvidia-gpus-used-to-accelerate-cracking-wifi/#findComment-589951636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThehAWKs Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 The First Time I have Ever Heard about cracking WEP , WPA WPA2 was in 2005. cracking wep only takes about 2-3mins. wpa/wp2 depended on the word list that can take up to 4 to 15gb, would take about a week or two running a top of the line computer 24/7. using a GPU to speed up the process now no one is safe. get your PS3 to Crack wpa/wpa2 in no time if you dont have a top of the line Video card. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/681010-latest-nvidia-gpus-used-to-accelerate-cracking-wifi/#findComment-589951720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMaster23 Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 The First Time I have Ever Heard about cracking WEP , WPA WPA2 was in 2005. cracking wep only takes about 2-3mins. wpa/wp2 depended on the word list that can take up to 4 to 15gb, would take about a week or two running a top of the line computer 24/7. using a GPU to speed up the process now no one is safe. get your PS3 to Crack wpa/wpa2 in no time if you dont have a top of the line Video card. The biggest problem doesn't lie with very powerfull machines like PS3/cell servers or clusters for that matter. The main issue is that the average consumer notebook with dedicated graphics cards can now do this. On the go. Hide out in a car outside a corporate enterprise and you're in like that. That's why I suggest IPSec: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPsec It secures the TCP/IP layer and when used with technology such as NAP, it's getting harder. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/681010-latest-nvidia-gpus-used-to-accelerate-cracking-wifi/#findComment-589951914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalE Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 faster then cpu but you got your point (Y) .... faster then athlon x64 or core 2 duo or top of the line QX9700 that remain untold too bad I don't think you get it. The GPU is 10,000 times faster than the CPU, but how long does it take the CPU? They've accelerated cracking, but does it bring it down to a feasible amount of time? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/681010-latest-nvidia-gpus-used-to-accelerate-cracking-wifi/#findComment-589952050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ci7 Posted October 12, 2008 Author Share Posted October 12, 2008 I don't think you get it. The GPU is 10,000 times faster than the CPU, but how long does it take the CPU? They've accelerated cracking, but does it bring it down to a feasible amount of time? idk Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/681010-latest-nvidia-gpus-used-to-accelerate-cracking-wifi/#findComment-589952072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skulltrail-old Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Did anyone really think WPA and WPA2 were so powerfully encrypted? They were bound to be cracked eventually, there is no such thing as an uncalculable number... I'm just suprised a GPU was able to do this rather than a normal CPU... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/681010-latest-nvidia-gpus-used-to-accelerate-cracking-wifi/#findComment-589952078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ci7 Posted October 12, 2008 Author Share Posted October 12, 2008 Did anyone really think WPA and WPA2 were so powerfully encrypted? They were bound to be cracked eventually, there is no such thing as an uncalculable number...I'm just suprised a GPU was able to do this rather than a normal CPU... gpu are more powerfull then cpu in decoding & encryption thingies but it luck mostly apps to take advantage of it Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/681010-latest-nvidia-gpus-used-to-accelerate-cracking-wifi/#findComment-589952088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDStriker Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 usually some bruteforce methods can take a year to complete (around 350 days) now 100x faster your looking at 3.5 days the theoritically impossible (noone is going to bother running their pc for 350 days to crack a password in that time the password may change :p or something) has now become possible because not much happens in 3.5 days :) thats just a rough estimate and to give you a rough idea on the performance gain Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/681010-latest-nvidia-gpus-used-to-accelerate-cracking-wifi/#findComment-589952136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
inactive Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 (edited) from what i was told if your using a really secure password (i.e. something like 63random characters like generated from grc.com , https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm ) you still dont have much to worry about ;) bottom line = use a password generated from that site ( https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm ) and you wont be hacked ;) Edited October 14, 2008 by ThaCrip Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/681010-latest-nvidia-gpus-used-to-accelerate-cracking-wifi/#findComment-589964342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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