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[Smigit]

Well, I don't see the big deal ... like mentioned, how much time do people REALLY HONESTLY spend on the front page?

I used to do 80% of the article reading from the page, only opening the article if I wanted to read more AND it didn't fit on the front page. I'd say that was several minutes reading per a day assuming they had fresh content.

Besides, the point was to get people interested in that content so talking about how ppl would skip to the forums anyway isn't the point. They're supposed to be enticing us to use the front page.

[Ollie64]

Well, I don't see the big deal ... like mentioned, how much time do people REALLY HONESTLY spend on the front page?

I would spend most of my NeoWin time on the front page. I checked it every day. I took a look at it this morning and it just turned me off completely that the news stories are truncated.

PLEASE CHANGE THINGS before I decide to go elsewhere! :no:

[Raa]

Heh, honestly, it seems like this would be the main reason to subscribe lol.

It's why I subscribed! (Y) I don't think i'll be renewing at this point, i'm afraid to say. :(

[Ji@nBing]

I like it a lot, but this has got to go:

Until then I've removed NW from my whitelist. As a subscriber, I shouldn't even have ads in the first place anyway.

[tomwarren Veteran]

I'm sure you'll all get used to it and quit moaning eventually ;). Until then Neobond has announced some changes due to feedback https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=683246

[Steven P. Administrators]

Guys how the hell are we ever supposed to maintain Neowin without ads for crying out loud.

This site isn't free to run you know, gawd.. think about everything else we give back for the "intrusion" of 3 ads per page!

[maplecookie Veteran]

Neobond totally has a point. Unless everyone is sending in a portion of their paychecks each month to Neowin then we will need ads.

How in the world do you think a site like this stays up? We don't charge every member for membership, so we need them and it's pointless and works against us to block them.

[Rob Veteran]

Just on a personal note I do appreciate all the feedback that's given but I appreciate it more when it's not suffixed with 'do this or I'll leave the site'. Demands are hugely unhelpful when compared to the majority who are being constructive in their opinions.

[+Gary7 Subscriber²]

Neobond totally has a point. Unless everyone is sending in a portion of their paychecks each month to Neowin then we will need ads.

How in the world do you think a site like this stays up? We don't charge every member for membership, so we need them and it's pointless and works against us to block them.

Yes indeed. I cannot imagine the cost of maintaining a site this large. Subscriptions help but not enough.

[Guest jgrodri]

By all means have the ads!

Neowin should be able to at least break even. What everyone here disagrees here is with having the ad in the middle of the page!!!

I wouldn't be against 5 ads instead of the three we have now, so long as they are all unobtrusive.

[Steven P. Administrators]

By all means have the ads!

Neowin should be able to at least break even. What everyone here disagrees here is with having the ad in the middle of the page!!!

I wouldn't be against 5 ads instead of the three we have now, so long as they are all unobtrusive.

If you look at the AdBlockers thread you'll find that the ads we had on Shift were also unacceptable to the majority, ok.. some, while Neowin has the fewest ads of any of our competitors and size.

Coupled with the credit crunch, I can tell you that we get at least 25% less than we did a year ago and that means we're borrowing, not even breaking even.

Remember that we just bought a new server FOR YOU GUYS and we actually have to pay for this Finity update (which isn't free)

[Panacik]

Guys how the hell are we ever supposed to maintain Neowin without ads for crying out loud.

This site isn't free to run you know, gawd.. think about everything else we give back for the "intrusion" of 3 ads per page!

If you look at the AdBlockers thread you'll find that the ads we had on Shift were also unacceptable to the majority, ok.. some, while Neowin has the fewest ads of any of our competitors and size.

Coupled with the credit crunch, I can tell you that we get at least 25% less than we did a year ago and that means we're borrowing, not even breaking even.

Remember that we just bought a new server FOR YOU GUYS and we actually have to pay for this Finity update (which isn't free)

I agree that the ads in shift where not a problem and even stood up for Neowin on that case, becuase i never found them intusive. However, this latest move has caused the front page to look tacky and also makes me want to turn away from using the front page, because that ad is slap bang in the middle of my reading area.

I also understand that you need ad revenue to keep the site running etc, however, you have survived this long with the ads where they where... so i question, are you just looking to try and boost your revenue, by providing more ads in the line of site for people reading, especially as they might accidently click on them, when they didnt want to!

[PricklyPoo]

Well I think subscribers should be spared from the ads.

Doesn't seem too unreasonable.

[Rappy Veteran]

Guys how the hell are we ever supposed to maintain Neowin without ads for crying out loud.

This site isn't free to run you know, gawd.. think about everything else we give back for the "intrusion" of 3 ads per page!

I think they are ok, I don't really see them as much of a problem to be honest.

[Ricardo Gil]

Guys, guys, why all the fuss?

I just found out I can get a Wii and great savings on my car insurance. See, ads aren't that bad.

In all seriousness though, we may not like the ads, but without them this site will surely die. It's a small price to pay for all that we get here, think about it.

[Antaris Veteran]

Just on a personal note I do appreciate all the feedback that's given but I appreciate it more when it's not suffixed with 'do this or I'll leave the site'. Demands are hugely unhelpful when compared to the majority who are being constructive in their opinions.

Nobody seems to answer one little gripe I have.

Whay is Apple listed above Microsoft and Linux in the news menu? Its not alphabetical...so there must be a reason?

Just niggling at me is all...

[Rob Veteran]

Nobody seems to answer one little gripe I have.

Whay is Apple listed above Microsoft and Linux in the news menu? Its not alphabetical...so there must be a reason?

Just niggling at me is all...

There probably is no reason other than they were typed out in no particular order and then no one sought to re-order them. It's a low-priority fix I'm sure we'll get to.

[Calum Veteran]

Lame. :cry:

Heh, honestly, it seems like this would be the main reason to subscribe lol.

No. The main reason to subscribe would be to help support Neowin & help keep the website going.

I despise ads as much as the next person, but no way will having ads stop me from being a subscriber or stop me from using Neowin.

The amount of news & computer help we get here is worth far more than the little amount of ads on the site; no matter where they are placed.

I hate the square ad in the middle, but it is there for a reason.

Also, some are forgetting, Neobond has proposed the idea of maybe having an ad-free option for subscribers, costing a bit more money. That idea is not finalised yet & may not happen, but it's nice to know there is thought of it.

[Ji@nBing]

Normally I don't care about the ads on Neowin because they were subtle, and I always had them white listed. This new ad in the middle though, I can't take it. It's way too huge, and in the middle of everything. It's distracting and irritating. I want Neowin to do well, that's why I gave them my money (I don't even use any of the subscription features). But that one ad is just so bad that I have no choice but to turn the blocker on.

[+shift. MVC]

I despise ads as much as the next person, but no way will having ads stop me from being a subscriber or stop me from using Neowin.

+1, and even WITH that relatively large had smack-dab right in the middle of my screen; it's still not as intrusive as some of the ads I've seen on other websites.

[Deathray]

I like the improved width

A quick question about intellitxt... Apparently that's no longer used, but why is noscript showing that as something it's blocking on the mainpage? I've temporarily enabled it to see where it is and found nothing :s

Also, what's up the "Get Impulse Today" and "Macs? On Neowin?" banners splitting the first and seconds news articles... Looks like a mistake as opposed to a design choice... Also, just clicked on that impulse banner, nice advert on the impulse page... Wouldn't that be borderline NSFW ad?

[Timan Veteran]

I like the improved width

A quick question about intellitxt... Apparently that's no longer used, but why is noscript showing that as something it's blocking on the mainpage? I've temporarily enabled it to see where it is and found nothing :s

Also, what's up the "Get Impulse Today" and "Macs? On Neowin?" banners splitting the first and seconds news articles... Looks like a mistake as opposed to a design choice... Also, just clicked on that impulse banner, nice advert on the impulse page... Wouldn't that be borderline NSFW ad?

Not sure if you've noticed, but I've listed Apple first in the main drop down menu... That'll show em ;)

[+shift. MVC]

Talk about low priority fix huh?! :)

[Reacon]

If you look at the AdBlockers thread you'll find that the ads we had on Shift were also unacceptable to the majority, ok.. some, while Neowin has the fewest ads of any of our competitors and size.

Coupled with the credit crunch, I can tell you that we get at least 25% less than we did a year ago and that means we're borrowing, not even breaking even.

Remember that we just bought a new server FOR YOU GUYS and we actually have to pay for this Finity update (which isn't free)

I'm not complaining about the number of ads, but more so the placement. If they were a little less in the way, I would gladly turn off my adblockers and scripts to support neowin. You see my only problem is, if I do, then I get 50% of my page taken away for some "BUY THIS" ad. Very distracting.

Ambiance's picture 3 or so pages ago is exactly what I, and many others are talking about, and how to fix it.

[Inklin]

The new design is very clean and works so well, i dont think there would be a need for different color variations of it,

when i come to the site today i was amazed at just how great it looks :D

Great Job Neowin!