first Screenshot for Windows 7 build 7004 !

[Skulltrail]

What's new?

[iaTa]

The blog post has been pulled.

EDIT: Already mentioned, sorry.

[9UnknownMen]

man there are a lot of places now you can place shortcuts for your apps. I dont use Desktop icons anymore as shortcuts, just have all my most used apps on the left pane of the start menu in Vista. Now the Superbar can be used for that also. Im not saying having more locations to put them is bad, but almost feel its a little redundant to have apps on the left pane of the start menu and on the superbar

Whats the good word? ;)

Miserable AU fan here btw. :(

[ViperAFK]

man there are a lot of places now you can place shortcuts for your apps. I dont use Desktop icons anymore as shortcuts, just have all my most used apps on the left pane of the start menu in Vista. Now the Superbar can be used for that also. Im not saying having more locations to put them is bad, but almost feel its a little redundant to have apps on the left pane of the start menu and on the superbar

There's not anymore places than there was before, quicklaunch ahs always been there on the taskbar.

[jjrambo]

Well while it does borrow one feature from the Dock, that being the fct you use the same icon for an non running and a runnign app, I wouldn't call it a dumbed down version, for one it's still a taskbar not a dock. I'm still not sure if this is a good thing though.

I liek all the new features of the superbar with the flyouts and other innovative stuff MS added to it. I'm just not sure having the same icon for a running app and a non runnign app is all that good. Though I'll have to actually try the superbar first, and I do believe the flyout thingies even work on non runnign apps, so you can click the cionand choos to open for example a recent document, and it'l lstart the app and open that document all at once, wich does help a bit to blur the line between running and not running, and making the pinned icons make more sense

But we'll see. Either way dumber down I wouldn't call it. it still got all the advantages of the taskbar and new innovations in usability. so it's more of a usability. Taking what's great with the taskbar, taking what's good about the dock, then adding a good sprinkle of innovative new features. and you got the dockbar 2.0, Better than the taskbar, better than the dock.

So it's using same icon for a running app and non running app -> that's really :wacko: thing i hate about OSX Dock as well. Solution for me at least is going to be to remove all icons from task bar, so they only show up there if app is running. Not sure why MS went with icons, cause taskbar is going to look like Circus. In my book it's so crowded an inpractical to hover over icon to see previews of what i'm running. I never use previews in Vista since it's quicker to look at taskbar and for each running app you can read first couple words of title bar which is damn enough for you to know what are you running.

The bottom line is. This new Superbar is the most stupidest thing i have seen in my life. It's so freaking inpractical and crowded...it's just :blink: Now somebody might get offended by this, but i can't find another word to describe it. MS forces us again to do extra click.WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY DAMN IT.

I'm not sure who is designer in MS, but that group of people have no clue what they are doing. They better fix GUI circus where each app follows its own design and color scheme like in Vista. Nothing is consistent there.

Edited December 21, 2008 by jjrambo

[Kevin.]

and full release in July or something?

Because that's what I have been reading all over most sites

If the RC were to come out in April. I predict the final release around June.

I'm sure that beta 1 won't have all the features in, I would think that's the definition of a beta?

I heard Beta 1 is supposed to be "feature complete", so we'll have to wait and see what's in the build went it's released.

[Kyang]

So it's using same icon for a running app and non running app -> that's really :wacko: thing i hate about OSX Dock as well. Solution for me at least is going to be to remove all icons from task bar, so they only show up there if app is running. Not sure why MS went with icons, cause taskbar is going to look like Circus. In my book it's so crowded an inpractical to hover over icon to see previews of what i'm running. I never use previews in Vista since it's quicker to look at taskbar and for each running app you can read first couple words of title bar which is damn enough for you to know what are you running.

The bottom line is. This new Superbar is the most stupidest thing i have seen in my life. It's so freaking inpractical and crowded...it's just :blink: Now somebody might get offended by this, but i can't find another word to describe it. MS forces us again to do extra click.WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY DAMN IT.

I'm not sure who is designer in MS, but that group of people have no clue what they are doing. They better fix GUI circus where each app follows its own design and color scheme like in Vista. Nothing is consistent there.

-You don't have to click to see the previews.

-Icons don't pin themselves to the taskbar, so unless you explicitly create a shortcut there yourself, you will never have to remove anything in the first place.

-And here's a screenshot to prove that everything can be laid out with text, and smaller icons, exactly like it is in Vista:

http://w7.netraworks.com/images/small-icon...ver-combine.jpg

I LOVE the new default setting for the taskbar, but you and other like-minded individuals, however, don't have to even look at it. You can change it to function the old way. :D .

Edited December 21, 2008 by Kyang

[JOHW]

I particularly like Hybrid mode :)

[jjrambo]

-You don't have to click to see the previews.

And here's the option for everything to be laid out, exactly like it is in Vista:

- http://w7.netraworks.com/images/small-icon...ver-combine.jpg

I LOVE the new default setting for the taskbar, but you and other like-minded individuals, however, don't have to even look at it. You can change it to function the old way. :D .

Thanks. That's what i'm looking for. It would be nice MS does survey so people send screenshots of their running Windows 7 desktop when it gets released. I bet more people will be running this way then with default settings for Superbar.

[ViperAFK]

So it's using same icon for a running app and non running app -> that's really :wacko: thing i hate about OSX Dock as well. Solution for me at least is going to be to remove all icons from task bar, so they only show up there if app is running. Not sure why MS went with icons, cause taskbar is going to look like Circus. In my book it's so crowded an inpractical to hover over icon to see previews of what i'm running. I never use previews in Vista since it's quicker to look at taskbar and for each running app you can read first couple words of title bar which is damn enough for you to know what are you running.

The bottom line is. This new Superbar is the most stupidest thing i have seen in my life. It's so freaking inpractical and crowded...it's just :blink: Now somebody might get offended by this, but i can't find another word to describe it. MS forces us again to do extra click.WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY DAMN IT.

I'm not sure who is designer in MS, but that group of people have no clue what they are doing. They better fix GUI circus where each app follows its own design and color scheme like in Vista. Nothing is consistent there.

Have you actually used the superbar? I had no problem distinguishing programs and apps and such and it didn't seem crouded at all. I like it a lot better than the current taskbar.

[jjrambo]

Have you actually used the superbar? I had no problem distinguishing programs and apps and such and it didn't seem crouded at all. I like it a lot better than the current taskbar.

I don't like it. I like Vista style with no quick lunch and previews and disabled drawer for tray icons. I use alt tab which i only found to be useful.

[hdood]

Yeah, no one is going to force you to pin programs to the taskbar, and you can even do it the old way with a seperate quicklaunch toolbar.

Furthermore, the icons for non-running programs are flat while open windows have a raised 3D edge so it's not that hard to tell them apart, and it's actually less crowded because the icon becomes the window tab when you run the program. If you use a quick launch bar, that eats up additional space always.

[LTD]

So it's using same icon for a running app and non running app -> that's really :wacko: thing i hate about OSX Dock as well. Solution for me at least is going to be to remove all icons from task bar, so they only show up there if app is running. Not sure why MS went with icons, cause taskbar is going to look like Circus. In my book it's so crowded an inpractical to hover over icon to see previews of what i'm running. I never use previews in Vista since it's quicker to look at taskbar and for each running app you can read first couple words of title bar which is damn enough for you to know what are you running.

The bottom line is. This new Superbar is the most stupidest thing i have seen in my life. It's so freaking inpractical and crowded...it's just :blink: Now somebody might get offended by this, but i can't find another word to describe it. MS forces us again to do extra click.WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY DAMN IT.

I'm not sure who is designer in MS, but that group of people have no clue what they are doing. They better fix GUI circus where each app follows its own design and color scheme like in Vista. Nothing is consistent there.

Running apps in the OS X Dock are marked underneath with a point of light. You don't need to hover over anything to know what's running.

[Kyang]

Running apps in the OS X Dock are marked underneath with a point of light. You don't need to hover over anything to know what's running.

I can see that the way his first and second sentences were worded, it seemed he implied that someone using the dock needed to hover over an icon to see if it was running, but I think he was only saying that he didn't like how the dock used the same icon for running, and non-running applications, and nothing more.

[jjrambo]

I can see that the way his first and second sentences were worded, it seemed he implied that someone using the dock needed to hover over an icon to see if it was running, but I think he was only saying that he didn't like how the dock used the same icon for running, and non-running applications, and nothing more.

I said i don't like dock and superbar for same reason, having same icon for running, and non-running applications.

[Kyang]

I said i don't like dock and superbar for same reason, having same icon for running, and non-running applications.

Yeah, I got that. I was just saying that LTD might have misunderstood that you thought the user needed to hover over icons in the dock to see if they were running apps or not, because of the way your first few sentences were written.

[LTD]

Ah, I understand now.

Fair enough. It might be hard to implement different icons for running/non-running though. Unless you make the marker underneath more pronounced. But as I take it you would rather not have those icons there to being with, which would do away with the problem entirely.

[ToneKnee]

If the RC were to come out in April. I predict the final release around June.

I heard Beta 1 is supposed to be "feature complete", so we'll have to wait and see what's in the build went it's released.

I believe Microsoft want to RTM by April and have a full release ready for retail by June or something. It'll be like Windows Vista where enterprise people technet/MSDN subscribers get the RTM before everyone else.

[Kevin.]

I believe Microsoft want to RTM by April and have a full release ready for retail by June or something. It'll be like Windows Vista where enterprise people technet/MSDN subscribers get the RTM before everyone else.

The RC would have to come out around February-March for it to RTM in April. But then again, development has been going very well with Windows 7, so it wouldn't be surprising if the RC came out that fast.

[Brandon Live Veteran]

Thanks. That's what i'm looking for. It would be nice MS does survey so people send screenshots of their running Windows 7 desktop when it gets released. I bet more people will be running this way then with default settings for Superbar.

You can be certain there is instrumentation to determine this. But so far the new defaults are doing extremely well in terms of tests with actual users and in terms of feedback from people using it every day.

I know from my own experience that the new taskbar with default settings has made me much more efficient and made using my machine much simpler. That, combined with the window arranging features (which are amazingly helpful both on my small laptop screen and on my multi-mon dev station), have made Win7 a delight to use for my day-to-day tasks.

I don't like it. I like Vista style with no quick lunch and previews and disabled drawer for tray icons. I use alt tab which i only found to be useful.

You didn't answer the question. I'm going to assume you haven't used it, in which case your feedback is especially irrelevant.