Ridley Scotts "Prometheus" (2012)

[MillionVoltss]

OMG B-t-s , when i thought it was put too sleep with just the film and the millions of questions. How did people find this video ?

Also can we, have the same names to make things easier:

Ie:

Engineers

Goo

Worms

Zenomorph

and all the creations need names.

Just an idea to make conversation easier.

Also its nice to know that when David and Elizabeth Shaw go through the Second ships nothing special happens or that there's nothing else in there, as its skip over.

http://www.projectprometheus.com/ Loads of stuff.

"It appears that a handful of Weyland Cybernetics Repair Stations, mostly on Earth and Luna, have received some reports, less than a few dozen reports, that certain David 7 units...have malfunctioned while in service," explains Kathryn Stuart-Rose, a Weyland Cybernetics spokesperson. "It appears that one of the emotion mapping and facial recognition sensors is the root of the problem," Stuart-Rose further explains, "The David 7's apparently misread human emotions such as surprise and interest, interpreting them instead as anger or frustration."

Edited June 11, 2012 by Anaron
Added spoiler tags.

[MillionVoltss]

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[Chicane-UK Veteran]

So.. the What Is 10.11.12 site.. does that mean we're gonna get a sequel much quicker than we expected?!

[MillionVoltss]

All found http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1318/10-11-12-update-new-peter-weyland-viral-video/p6

[Anthony Tosie Veteran]

So.. the What Is 10.11.12 site.. does that mean we're gonna get a sequel much quicker than we expected?!

No, they didn't shoot back-to-back, so that'd be impossible. Plus releasing a sequel just four months later would be a disastrous business decision.

[Rappy Veteran]

So.. the What Is 10.11.12 site.. does that mean we're gonna get a sequel much quicker than we expected?!

its the release date I believe for the DVD/Blu-Ray

[PsYcHoKiLLa]

its the release date I believe for the DVD/Blu-Ray

Obviously the Bluray release date. 6 months is a usual turnaround now for the bluray/dvd release. I'm hoping we'll be getting a tidied up director's cut though.

[Yusuf M. Veteran]

I recently got back from seeing it and it was really good.

What I don't understand is why the surviving human alien decided to be hostile. Was it something that David said? Was it his job to reach Earth and wipe out the humans? Also, the human alien at the very beginning was quite interesting. My theory is that he rebelled against the others by creating human life in his own image (and possibly all life on Earth). After all, he committed suicide so his genetic material can be used to spawn new life. Whether that life is human or not is unknown, but it's most likely human. The evidence to support that is the similar DNA and appearance.

I wonder what Elizabeth Shaw hopes to accomplish by going after the human aliens. She'll likely get killed because as far as we know, they're hostile.

[LOC Veteran]

I recently got back from seeing it and it was really good.

What I don't understand is why the surviving human alien decided to be hostile. Was it something that David said? Was it his job to reach Earth and wipe out the humans? Also, the human alien at the very beginning was quite interesting. My theory is that he rebelled against the others by creating human life in his own image (and possibly all life on Earth). After all, he committed suicide so his genetic material can be used to spawn new life. Whether that life is human or not is unknown, but it's most likely human. The evidence to support that is the similar DNA and appearance.

I wonder what Elizabeth Shaw hopes to accomplish by going after the human aliens. She'll likely get killed because as far as we know, they're hostile.

The prevailing theory about things is that the surviving Engineer that decapitated David and wiped everyone else out was carrying out his final orders before entering hypersleep which was to destroy Humanity. Why this is the case, who the hell knows. I guess a sequel might explain that better. But I agree with you about the opening scene and in fact some old Alien script stuff actually supports this notion. That the Engineer race was in a civil war, or at least disagreeing big time on how to do the things they were doing. In fact some people think the Engineer society as a whole was not even told the truth about the things they were doing out in space, and that the LV-223 Moon Lab etc were all "Black Ops" stuff to hide this from the main population.

As for Shaw going to the homeworld of the Engineer race, I think that's more of a setup for a sequel than anything else really. In an interview I read recently, Scott said plain and simple he knew Shaw and David had to survive (though David is more like, kinda surviving lol) to set up any further story threads they may pursue in a sequel. Whether we get to see the homeworld, and get explanations about why they were doing these things...who knows. Though the main overarching story thread for Shaw was her pursuit of our "Creators" and since she more or less found them, she decided what the hell I'll go for a visit with Mom and Pop.

[goofyinthehead]

I read this on a different forum..kinda makes sence:

The engineers dropped off the first alien to produce life on Earth, just as they have done on other planets. The Engineers then decided to get rid of humankind because we decided to have faith in a different creator (God) and not them. The way to do it was to use biological weapons to wipe out the human race ( goo in the canisters). Something went wrong and the "goo" turned on the aliens. that's why we see the holograms of the aliens running ( where the alien got his head chopped off).

The last alien was carrying out his mission to destroy humankind.

[Nick H. Supervisor]

I saw it last week sometime in 3D (urgh). I've got to say, I was quite disappointed. I agreed with my friends; if you don't consider it to be part of the Alien universe then it could be ok, but as an Alien film it just didn't work.

I read this on a different forum..kinda makes sence:

The engineers dropped off the first alien to produce life on Earth, just as they have done on other planets. The Engineers then decided to get rid of humankind because we decided to have faith in a different creator (God) and not them. The way to do it was to use biological weapons to wipe out the human race ( goo in the canisters). Something went wrong and the "goo" turned on the aliens. that's why we see the holograms of the aliens running ( where the alien got his head chopped off).

The last alien was carrying out his mission to destroy humankind.

Actually, that makes a lot more sense than what we were coming up with when we left the cinema. I'll have to let my friends know.

[Lamp0]

I wonder if the engineer we see in the film is representitive of the engineer's who create life on Earth. Perhaps the engineer's have religious beliefs of their own & there is a conflict over the creation of intelligent life; One group attempts to create it and the other attempts to destory it?

[shakey]

We can tell that the "engineers" had visited our planet more than once. Each culture of a different time period had basically the same drawing. So it seems like they were visiting us through out our evolution. Now, the ship on the moon was dated to have been there for roughly, 2000 years. It is the year 2091. 2000 years ago was basically the time us humans said to have killed Christ. What if Christ was one of them? What if we had killed one of their messengers or whatever, and that ****ed them off. It's a long shot, but one that seems to fit with the whole premise of everything else in the movie, such as - It being Christmas, A virgin birth of an alien (basically a miracle birth since it was almost instantaneous), sacrafice, and of course "our creators".

The other question... what did all the other planets do that made these "engineers" decide to try and wipe them out as well????

[Yusuf M. Veteran]

The prevailing theory about things is that the surviving Engineer that decapitated David and wiped everyone else out was carrying out his final orders before entering hypersleep which was to destroy Humanity. Why this is the case, who the hell knows. I guess a sequel might explain that better. But I agree with you about the opening scene and in fact some old Alien script stuff actually supports this notion. That the Engineer race was in a civil war, or at least disagreeing big time on how to do the things they were doing. In fact some people think the Engineer society as a whole was not even told the truth about the things they were doing out in space, and that the LV-223 Moon Lab etc were all "Black Ops" stuff to hide this from the main population.

As for Shaw going to the homeworld of the Engineer race, I think that's more of a setup for a sequel than anything else really. In an interview I read recently, Scott said plain and simple he knew Shaw and David had to survive (though David is more like, kinda surviving lol) to set up any further story threads they may pursue in a sequel. Whether we get to see the homeworld, and get explanations about why they were doing these things...who knows. Though the main overarching story thread for Shaw was her pursuit of our "Creators" and since she more or less found them, she decided what the hell I'll go for a visit with Mom and Pop.

That's an interesting take on it.

I'm beginning to think that they have a strict code where they cannot create intelligent life or life that resembles them. Once they realized that one of their own created human life, they probably tried to wipe them out. However, various groups that supported the individual in the beginning may have come to Earth in order to protect the humans. It's possible that they (the pro-human faction) went as far as infecting their own people with a weapon. Who knows, maybe they differ so much morally that they're willing to kill each other. Perhaps one group wanted to use the weapon for destructive purposes whereas the other wanted to use it to create intelligent life. A recurring theme in science fiction is the existence of a single sentient species that spreads throughout galaxies to seed sentient life (in their own image).

It seems like they have a religion of their own too. The hologram scene in the bridge looked like some sort of ritual. Maybe they felt like Gods because of their technological prowess. Also, they may have feelings too. The last surviving alien looked at David in a way that seemed to convey feelings of regret and compassion. That is, until he realized that David wasn't human at all.

[Hurmoth]

Here's a theory a friend and I came up with. It may have already been discussed, but I can't read through every comment here and elsewhere on the net, so my apologies if has already been posted:

We believe that the Engineers decided to expand their life in the universe. Maybe their home planet was being destroyed by some unknown event. So they drop off one Engineer at other planets capable of sustaining life.

Earth may be the first experient, but our planet's makeup is slightly different and we evolved differently. The obvious signs of differently are most notably in size and color, but also in intelligence.

If you created something dumb, but you were looking for something exactly the same or better, would you want to keep it around? So they decided to start over, but they needed to destroy us first.

[Scorbing]

I am very confused about something on this film. Wasn't Charles Bishop Wayland the creator of Wayland Corp? How come on this film it says it was Peter Wayland? Also, didn't Charles Wayland die in Alien vs Predator?

What is going on here?

[Hurmoth]

I am very confused about something on this film. Wasn't Charles Bishop Wayland the creator of Wayland Corp? How come on this film it says it was Peter Wayland? Also, didn't Charles Wayland die in Alien vs Predator?

What is going on here?

The answer is simple. Prometheus is not a direct prequel to Alien. It is a different storyline entirely, with some similar elements.

From Wikipedia: "Under [Damon] Lindelof, the script began to divert from [Jon] Spaihts' Alien prequel into a more original creation. [Ridley] Scott and Lindelof worked together five days a week between July and August 2010, trying to piece together exactly what vision Scott was trying to convey and how the script needed to change, including scaling back the Alien symbology and tropes."

Prometheus' idea was born out of a prequel to Alien, but was later changed to be more of an original work that contained similar elements to Alien. Think of it like Fringe, two universes, two different stories, but with similar people and companies.

[Razorwing]

Or could it be when they traveled through space they traveled back in time? :o. That makes sense. Never occured to me until now. Everything fits. Sir Peter Weyland is the Son of Charles Bishop Weyland. "Bishop" died in 2004. Then Peter takes the reigns of the Weyland Industries and develops David. The perfect Cyborg/Android. (Both Bishop and Ash were work in progress that's why they were both defective.) Weyland probably broke off the connection between Weyland-Yutani because Yutani did not allow Weyland to patent the Android. Because of this we see linger effects of the logo everywhere. For an example, the recording that Dr. Shaw recorded has Yutani tech (and only Yutani) writing all over it. It's probably a old camera that she used to film her message.

During all this time, Shaw and Co found all the glyphs and stuff (as per beginning of Prometheus), and Peter Weyland needs a new boost for the company (after all, they just broke off with Yutani). So Weyland, like his father; has to be the first one there. (See AVP and how Bishop wants to be the first one on the iceberg to find the Alien/Predator battlegrounds). So he sends Shaw and Co to the planet using Prometheus. Then Prometheus unknowingly travels back in time during the voyage to the unknown planet. (They all were in cryo-sleep during the venture, so they won't know if they went back in time or not). There's one part in Prometheus that Shaw finds some sort of Pattern that is matched with some dna or something. That DNA could be the DNA of the Xenomorph, and how we see.. both matches. As we know, the Xenomorph takes dna off it's host. So that matches the 'Human' and 'Alien' wave pattern.

So that's my theory. lol. Or it's you know, just another universe. :p.

[Rappy Veteran]

might be a spoiler? behind the scene pictures

[sanctified Veteran]

I saw it last night and actually, it was marvelous.

It's one of those movies that almost everything it's so good that you can actually put aside some plot mistakes (That, honestly, were minor and not as grave as many fans are saying) and just enjoy it wildly. It was a visual-fest. Very tense yet elegant, sometimes even poetic. It's one of those movies that in time will get more and more respect, due the power of retrospective.

P.S. David totally owned that movie.

[DirtyLarry Veteran]

I read this on a different forum..kinda makes sence:

The engineers dropped off the first alien to produce life on Earth, just as they have done on other planets. The Engineers then decided to get rid of humankind because we decided to have faith in a different creator (God) and not them. The way to do it was to use biological weapons to wipe out the human race ( goo in the canisters). Something went wrong and the "goo" turned on the aliens. that's why we see the holograms of the aliens running ( where the alien got his head chopped off).

The last alien was carrying out his mission to destroy humankind.

(Y)

This is pretty much the best theory I have read thus far. Short and sweet as well.

[sanctified Veteran]

Btw, here's a reflection about something said in the movie:

At the very beginning Shaw ask "but who created the creators?". Later when they are exploring the ruins for the first time they stumble unto an altar of sorts that appears briefly on screen (Link: http://h.habitacion1...n-in-cavern.jpg) obviously depicting an Alien as we know it. The ending would like us to believe that what happens at the ending it's how the Alien race was created, however how do you explain that Altar?

My take is this: An original Alien like race created the engineers and their physical differences could be explained with Mendelian inheritance (The ability of genes to pass phenotype traits skipping generations). Other take could be that the engineers were in reality an slaved race by the original aliens and thus trying to accomplish a mission.

I propose this idea of Aliens as creators and not only as biological weapons because, iconologically, you DON'T make an altar for a weapon, but for religious reasons. Maybe, like some animal species, engineers could be seen as "pollinators", spreading the seed through the universe.

I dont know why the spoiler tag screwed the last paragraph, sorry, its out of my control.

[DirtyLarry Veteran]

I dont know why the spoiler tag screwed the last paragraph, sorry, its out of my control.

Hope you do not mind but I fixed it. Was an orphan left tag.

[sanctified Veteran]

Hope you do not mind but I fixed it. Was an orphan left tag.

Thanks a lot.

[Dysphoria]

I liked the movie, but the story was a bit different than some of you are saying...

Humans were created by mistake.

At the begging of the movie as the aliens are leaving earth one guy stays and he drinks a potion that destroys his body, but as he falls in the water a single string of DNA survives. Than the movie takes us to the evolution process starting with the creation of the single cell organisms.

That is why at the end of the movie the "Engineer" looks down on them as inferior and tryes to kill them with no attempt to comunicate.

So one way yo look at the whole story is that we were created by an accident by a much supperior race.

The doctor proceeds at then end to look for the meaning of life and to see if she can find out who is the ultimate creator, and what gives these engineers the right to create and destroy life.