Ridley Scotts "Prometheus" (2012)

[Guest glyfz]

Was really looking forward to it, saw it the other day and was really disappointed. Wasn't anything special at all.

[simplezz]

eh... no. This is not an Alien film.

Well there kind of are, but different. It's definitely related to the alien franchise. It's also nice that it explains the whole "takes on the characteristics of its host" thing, well in so far as where that comes from at least.

[DirtyLarry Veteran]

Going to go see a matinee in a few hours, as long as my wife wakes up. :laugh:

Is it worth seeing in 3D (not iMax 3D just regular) or can I see it without 3D? Wife is not a big fan of the 3D so kind of torn.

[PsYcHoKiLLa]

Again, different planet, a different engineer & a different ship

I don't know how some people didn't get that...

Erm, How the hell would the spaceship get off that planet when it was completely disabled by them crashing into it and it now sits exactly as it's found in the first Alien film?! I think you're talking through your arse

[DirtyLarry Veteran]

Well wife made the no 3D decision for us, she just does not want to see it in 3D, so seeing it normally. Should be fine.

[Hurmoth]

Erm, How the hell would the spaceship get off that planet when it was completely disabled by them crashing into it and it now sits exactly as it's found in the first Alien film?! I think you're talking through your arse

It is totally different. Go read up on the production of Prometheus and you'll see that this is NOT a prequel to Alien. Not directly anyway.

"[Ridley] Scott has been adamant that while "Prometheus" "carries the DNA" of "Alien," it is an original piece of science fiction that delves into everything from biotechnology to artificial intelligence to the origins (and possible destruction) of mankind itself."

Source: http://en.wikipedia...._(film)#Writing

Also, in an interview with writer Damon Lindelof, he states that if a sequel is produced to Prometheus, "It has to stand on its own... If we?re fortunate enough to do a sequel to Prometheus, it will tangentialize even further away from the original Alien."

Source: http://collider.com/ridley-scott-damon-lindelof-michael-fassbender-prometheus-interview/153243/

Edited June 9, 2012 by Hurmoth

[Razorwing]

It's not a direct prequel to Alien, but yet it does have a lot of references to the Alien franchise. I'd like to think of it as

The Evolution of the Alien, because you can clearly see the squidy alien is kind of like a facehugger. With a few more evolutions it will be it. The slime, the acid blood all points to this is how the Xenomorph evolved from a tiny black substance. It will take a long time to evolve as what we know in the Alien films, but that makes total sense. As David would put it, "Big things have small beginnings."

[Manish]

I didn't actually realise until later that the opening scene where an "Engineer" alien disintegrates by taking the dark liquid was taking place on Earth. I suppose he was akin to Prometheus (the Titan) in some sense, as his DNA gave rise to us. I guess we weren't meant to be created in such a way and perhaps this is why the other Engineers wanted to destroy us.

Thought it was a pretty good movie overall.

[shakey]

Well wife made the no 3D decision for us, she just does not want to see it in 3D, so seeing it normally. Should be fine.

I'm so sorry for your loss Larry :p But IMAX 3D for this movie is a must! It was amazing.

And for a lot of the comments coming from posters.... Did you guys actually watch the movie? Or did you only pay attention at a few scenes in between stuffing your holes with popcorn? lol, I swear, a lot of the discussion here is so plainly obvious of what happened.

I'm going to go see this movie agian, not because I feel I missed anything, but just because it is that good.

I loved how there were so many references towards Prometheus... The first alien along with shaw and her husband. Just so many great answers and questions.

[DirtyLarry Veteran]

I'm so sorry for your loss Larry :p But IMAX 3D for this movie is a must! It was amazing.

And for a lot of the comments coming from posters.... Did you guys actually watch the movie? Or did you only pay attention at a few scenes in between stuffing your holes with popcorn? lol, I swear, a lot of the discussion here is so plainly obvious of what happened.

I'm going to go see this movie agian, not because I feel I missed anything, but just because it is that good.

I loved how there were so many references towards Prometheus... The first alien along with shaw and her husband. Just so many great answers and questions.

It was still very good in non 3D, but I definitely saw scenes that would have been superb in 3D.

And I do have to agree with you about people asking the questions they are asking. Just follow the movie and draw some conclusions. :laugh:

With that I will say, I believe a lot of the story is left open for interpretation, which I personally feel is a great way to make a movie. Have people giving their take on everything. So with that said, here is my take on things, could be dead wrong...

Opening Scene -

Either dude was on Earth before the human race and was killing himself to get his DNA on the planet to start the human race, and/or we were already here and he was trying to save us. What I mean by the latter is he knew his fellow engineers plan to wipe out humans.

I can see either or scenario being the reason.

Some of the more obvious plot points (my take on them) -

David planted the host in Charlie to see if he would transform just for Weyland to know. Even though we never see him transform, it was enough for Weyland to want to take the chance himself of becoming "immortal."

The baby Shaw removed from her wound up taking over and impregnating the Engineer, thus creating the new "Alien" lifeforms we all know and love from Aliens. That is that lifeforms beginning.

My wife did ask me

Why was David willing to help Shaw out at the end when he had basically screwed her over the entire time? My theory was since his creator/programmer Weyland was no longer alive, he no longer had a Prime Initiatve so to speak, so he was now taking direction from Shaw as that is what he was created to do. Take directions from a human.

There are other plot points I would be happy to pontificate on if people wish to do so. :laugh:

[shakey]

There is a ton about this I would like to discuss, but at the moment, I just don't have the time to type it all out. But this movie is great in the sense that they have created this idea, this universe, that is very interesting and intriguing, and very close to what reality could be in some form

Could Vickers have been an outdated android? Could be why David kept calling her "mom".

What happened to the guy who had the snake go into his mouth? Did he just die or was he a part of another transformation we didn't get to see?

My take on the very first alien, is that there were 2 groups of aliens. 1 group that wanted to spread and create life, and another group trying to destroy that life.

The alien that comes out of the last "engineer" is the first type that would come from that type of being. After a for more evolutions, that alien could end up looking more like the ones we know of... Or the ones we know of, come from the differences in our DNA compared to our "creators" , thus giving "our aliens" a little different appearance. But what we saw in the previous "Alien/s" movies was a more evolved form of what we saw in this movie.

Was the black goo in the very first scene a hybrid version of the black goo on the moon?

Giving the time period, and what we were told about the age of the ship being 2000 years old... that would put us just about the time of Christ. Maybe we did something so bad during that time... to one of them , that caused them to hate us and plot our destruction. They created us, then through out the thousands of years of evolution, they visited and had enough contact with civilizations. Enough contact that the primitive humans were able to know almost where they came from. But then 2000 years ago, we ****ed them off enough to warrant our destruction. Also with that last tid bit, take into the fact that it was Christmas, and what else is known for christman??? Virgin Births, Christ, Sacrifice...

[REM2000]

Erm, How the hell would the spaceship get off that planet when it was completely disabled by them crashing into it and it now sits exactly as it's found in the first Alien film?! I think you're talking through your arse

Well that might be explained in the ship shaw took off in with David, they could have some more space jockeys in status and it could be that the shaw alien ship ends up being the one set in Alien, the other problem with LV223 is that there is a weyland ship, and human dead bodies for the crew of aliens to discover which i took to discount that planet completely being the same one from alien, as mentioned they are name differently as well

[REM2000]

It was still very good in non 3D, but I definitely saw scenes that would have been superb in 3D.

And I do have to agree with you about people asking the questions they are asking. Just follow the movie and draw some conclusions. :laugh:

With that I will say, I believe a lot of the story is left open for interpretation, which I personally feel is a great way to make a movie. Have people giving their take on everything. So with that said, here is my take on things, could be dead wrong...

Opening Scene -

Either dude was on Earth before the human race and was killing himself to get his DNA on the planet to start the human race, and/or we were already here and he was trying to save us. What I mean by the latter is he knew his fellow engineers plan to wipe out humans.

I can see either or scenario being the reason.

Some of the more obvious plot points (my take on them) -

David planted the host in Charlie to see if he would transform just for Weyland to know. Even though we never see him transform, it was enough for Weyland to want to take the chance himself of becoming "immortal."

The baby Shaw removed from her wound up taking over and impregnating the Engineer, thus creating the new "Alien" lifeforms we all know and love from Aliens. That is that lifeforms beginning.

My wife did ask me

Why was David willing to help Shaw out at the end when he had basically screwed her over the entire time? My theory was since his creator/programmer Weyland was no longer alive, he no longer had a Prime Initiatve so to speak, so he was now taking direction from Shaw as that is what he was created to do. Take directions from a human.

There are other plot points I would be happy to pontificate on if people wish to do so. :laugh:

i think david helped as really his main goal was to see immortality of Weyland and as you say no he's dead he's left with like the sub parts of his mission which is to discover the alien race. Of course as you say he still takes orders from humans and she's the highest rank

Im disappointed that the film has been crafted as much as it has for a sequel, i would have preferred a film that could have stood on it's own a bit more instead of raising even more questions.

However the cinematography was incredible, i watched this at a standard 2D digital cinema and it looked HD. The shadows and dark areas were really clear and not muddy at all and the opening parts of the film i could easily screen shot for a desktop wallpaper as they were so nicely done and most importantly so clear to see.

Also liked the david character and felt that he carried the film quite a bit, didn't think much of shaws husband and the geologist, i thought they could have expanded the changes and the evolving parts of them a bit more, perhaps introduce an alien like situation with one of them going through the ship hunting them and getting more disfigured in the process.

Overall i was disappointed with the film, it felt like it was building up and building up, the two scientists starting getting attacked i thought this is where the film really kicks off and the build up did produce an uneasy feeling (something i noticed the whole cinema seemed to share), but then it fizzled into nothing, a massive anticlimax and the film never really picked up again.

As a stand alone film i don't think i would have been as disappointed and would have thought it was an ok film, however ridley scott in a spiritual alien type file, i had high hopes.

[Vice]

Maybe I hyped the film up in my mind but I expected more. Visually it was stunning I did enjoy the film but..

It didn't really answer the questions I really wanted, for example who are the aliens why did they create this biological weapon, basically we don't really know much more now than we did after we watched Alien. All we know is some big alien in some big space craft created the weapon that ended up becoming the Xenomorphs but we still don't know why or who these creators are.

Hopefully there will be some kind of sequel that answers these questions but I'm not holding my breath.

[Lamp0]

Erm, How the hell would the spaceship get off that planet when it was completely disabled by them crashing into it and it now sits exactly as it's found in the first Alien film?! I think you're talking through your arse

It's not the same ship they find in Alien. Again, different engineer, different engineer ship, different planet. This film does not set up the begining of Alien.

[Chicane-UK Veteran]

Went to see this for a second time in 2D this evening. Reminded me why 3D is quite overrated - I didn't really feel like I missed anything compared to the first time around!

I still don't know what to make of the film really. I do think it opens some interesting doors and has me asking a lot of questions... I hope there will be more in this series to help answer those questions!

[JonathanVP]

Just saw this and I thought the movie was ok but not as scary as Alien. The special effects were top notch but the movie was predictable and left a lot of questions unanswered. Depending on the box office, there may be talk of Prometheus 2.

[Hurmoth]

Just saw this and I thought the movie was ok but not as scary as Alien. The special effects were top notch but the movie was predictable and left a lot of questions unanswered. Depending on the box office, there may be talk of Prometheus 2.

That's the idea. Damon Lindelof believes in leaving most of the big questions up to the audience. Let me ask you this: if you saw this with someone, did you leave debating the film more than a film that answers everything?

I went with a close friend and we spent a few hours debating all the possibilities. Just in this thread people are going all over the place. That's nothing something you can do with a film that answers most, if not all, the questions. I like a film that leaves things open-ended. It makes it more interesting and a much better conversational film.

Also, with regard to a sequel, I wouldn't be surprised if there was one, but Lindelof just signed on to rewrite World War Z and also a new contract to develop a TV series, so it may be a while before a sequel is done, unless the studio gets a different writer. Which I hope they don't do. Different writers ruin character personalities IMO.

[Razorwing]

It's not the same ship they find in Alien. Again, different engineer, different engineer ship, different planet. This film does not set up the begining of Alien.

Remember David said there are multiple ships? Yeah.

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[Anthony Tosie Veteran]

Saw the film a little over an hour ago and loved it. I've seen a lot of hatred, but most the claims I'm finding I just can't see much justification for. I mean, sure, there are some problems, but people are really nit-picking stuff (and a lot of the complaints I've seen are directly addressed or at least implied in the film).

I really recommend seeing it if you're on the fence, though.

[mattmatik]

Yeah, I agree with above. If it was a stand-alone film and there was no 'Alien' to remember, I would have enjoyed it a lot more. I guess its my fault for expecting it to be what I wanted. Ah well.

And I do understand folks are saying there were multiple engineers, multiple ships, blah blah blah. But there are scenes in 'Prometheus' that I interpreted to be direct connections. The way some of the scenes were shot, for example.

1) the way the ship crashed at the end, they had that thing look exactly like how it did in 'Alien'

2) the symbol in the breeding area of the alien we all know from 'Alien' - it clearly shows the head and body so where is the whole evolution thing coming from? How can you have a symbol like that of something that doesn't exist?

I guess one could make the argument that there were multiple 'bases' and one of those could be what crashed on LV-426, or even Shaw's. Like I said, its my fault for inferring differently and I'll keep that in mind going forward with the inevitable sequels.

[JonathanVP]

That's the idea. Damon Lindelof believes in leaving most of the big questions up to the audience. Let me ask you this: if you saw this with someone, did you leave debating the film more than a film that answers everything?

I went with a close friend and we spent a few hours debating all the possibilities. Just in this thread people are going all over the place. That's nothing something you can do with a film that answers most, if not all, the questions. I like a film that leaves things open-ended. It makes it more interesting and a much better conversational film.

Also, with regard to a sequel, I wouldn't be surprised if there was one, but Lindelof just signed on to rewrite World War Z and also a new contract to develop a TV series, so it may be a while before a sequel is done, unless the studio gets a different writer. Which I hope they don't do. Different writers ruin character personalities IMO.

I saw the movie with my wife and she wasn't a big fan of the Alien franchise (I am) but she went to see what all the hoopla was about. The ending of the movie does lend itself to a sequel and she didn't like how it ended especially with all them open questions that have yet to be answered. According to the net, Scott may direct Prometheus 2 after the Blade Runner sequel...

[ArialBlue]

The problem with this movie is quite simple, it managed to

break immersion in the first five minutes.

It also continued at this pace. Essentially the direction took a giant **** on common sense of the plot, science fiction, and how characters acted (ooo look alien thing, lets pet it!)

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[Razorwing]