Ridley Scotts "Prometheus" (2012)

[shakey]

You mean, sort of like the Star Wars prequels? ;)

Adding onto your example, Prometheus is sort of like Episode 1. A prequel that didn't tie fully into the existing trilogy until the other films (unfortunately) panned out.

Exactly lol. This is a prequel in the sense that if they go further along in the story, it will eventually tie together.

[Hurmoth]

Lindelof has stated in interviews that any sequel made will stray even further from the Alien story.

Asked if a sequel would be a direct prequel to Alien, Lindelof said "if we?re fortunate enough to do a sequel... it will tangentialize [sic] even further away from the original Alien."

Source: http://collider.com/ridley-scott-damon-lindelof-michael-fassbender-prometheus-interview/153243/

[shakey]

Or more like how Pitch Black is a prequel or sequel to Chronicles of Riddick. Same universe, same things, but the story is in different areas. They are still very much related and intertwined.

[LaP]

Just saw the movie. I'm actually surprised. I did not expect much with all the criticisms. I'm a big Alien and Aliens fan and i actually enjoyed this movie. I wanted to wait a couple of weeks to let the hype fall down a bit. It's a good "prequel". I did not expected it to be a new Alien as Scott has been very clear about this film not being one. I did not expect Alien and Aliens quality either. It's hard to equal two of the best sci-fi/horror movie ever.

I found the first half of the movie to be awesome. Up to the point where Shaw gets her "medical intervention". Then the movie was a little bit rushed and lost its focus i think. It's almost like they wanted to tell something but did not have the time to tell it. They should have either added 30 minutes to the movie or cut a little bit more to get to the point faster. The second part of the movie editing (and script) was not so great.

Overall a good movie and was well worth the price.

Reading all the dumb criticisms over imdb was a hell of a laugh. These days too much people think they are experts and psychologists. "Hey look at me I KNOW how someone is supposed to react to an unkown and totally unique in human history situation". Yeah right. People often act in a dumb way. Specially when they are confronted to an un expected situation.

Good movie. I recommend it to people who can do a simple leap of faith. For the Joe Blow know it all who like to point the plot holes in a movie like "Game Change" you should avoid Prometheus.

I hope for a longer director's cut Blu-Ray where the end of the movie is a little bit less rushed and better edited.

[Razorwing]

Serious? 9 Disc Bluray Boxset? Damnit. Now what will I do with my Alien Quadrilogy Blu-Ray? >.<

[Syanide]

I was discussing this movie with some guy online, he called it "too smart" for the general audience which annoyed the living **** out of me as I haven't seen writing this bad since Transformers 2 (just kidding, I've never seen Transformers 2). A couple of weeks back I took out "some" of the flaws and plotholes of the movie, which basically turned into analyzing each scene of the movie and calling out the mistakes. So, enjoy.

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-The Engineer from the opening scene gives his life (and sparks life) on what we can presume is Earth. Knowing what we know from later on in the movie, does this mean that there was no life at all on Earth before? Or no intelligent life? If they gave life to Earth, why do humans share the DNA with them, and not with every other living creature on the planet? And if they only gave life to humans, then the scene doesn?t make sense because we see the DNA recombining in the water and I certainly doubt a fully formed man popped out somewhere on the shore.

-Why do the Engineers leave their star map on Earth? Why are they inviting people to their weapons base? Was it always a weapons base? If the opening scene was indeed the creation of life on earth, we can presume that the Engineers have dealt with the black goo for eons, so how the hell do they manage to **** it up so bad on LV-223. Was it just a ****ty plot device?

-Is David with the basketball a reference to Alien: Resurrection? Seriously? ?I choose to believe? ? please tell me this is not a set up for a ****ty science vs. religion theme. Isn?t David reading other people?s dreams kind of ****ed up? Why does he eat and drink? Later on in the movie he puts on a helmet because it makes people more comfortable around him, but there are no people around then, so why would he do it?

-What?s the deal with the geologist? If you didn?t want to be there so bad, maybe you shouldn?t have taken up a mission that takes you half way across the galaxy, the mission you actually WEREN?T BRIEFED FOR BEFORE YOU GOT THERE, you dip****.

-A Christmas tree. GET IT, RELIGIOUS SYMBOLISM DERP. Except it?s not really religious symbolism, it?s obvious, direct and annoying. Kee revelaing she?s pregnant to Theo in ?Children of Men? is an example of religious symbolism, as the scene takes place in a barn, so you can draw parallels between baby Jesus in a barn and Dylan as both have had and will have an enormous impact on mankind. It?s so subtle and perfect. In Prometheus people whip out crosses, decorate Christmas trees, have cross tattoos, live in the ?year of our lord,? and then the filmmakers try to sell us the idea that there?s religious symbolism in the film and that it?s all very deep. It?s insulting.

-What?s the point of Peter Weiland? Was it to give depth to another utterly pointless character, Vickers? Both of them do nothing except ?advance? the ?plot? by doing stupid things and exiting the story in even more stupid ways.

-?I choose to believe? GET THE **** OUT.

-Vickers invites Holloway and Shaw so we can see something that is important later on in the movie. I?ll explain why it?s retarded later on in this text.

-We know from the previous movies Weiland Corporation is greedy and all, but what sense does it make that they would fund the trip for financial gain, since there is no certain financial gain they can make out of the trip. Did they seriously think they could visit the place that?s inhabited by a species that created life on Earth and **** them over for profit? If the twist is that Peter Weiland funded the trip just to get an opportunity to prolong his life, wouldn?t a much safer option be to invest the trillion dollars they spent on the trip on a ?ghost in the shell? type of thing on Earth? You are obviously capable of freezing the body without any consequences, you have walking androids that are exact replica of human beings, and you have the technology that allows said androids to read human dreams, thus you are probably not far away from storing memories on a backup drive and ?flashing? them to a robotic replica of yourself.

-What kind of a retard would take his helmet off? I can?t stress this enough. The geologist and biologist have been established as huge vaginas, so you?d expect they?d have sense enough to keep theirs on.

-What?s the green goo and why does David think it?s impressive, as we don?t see any of it later on in the movie?

- Let?s re-establish Fifield and the other guy as huge vaginas and Fifield as having anxiety issues.

-Why does Lysa Tully think the head is in amazing state of preservation? Couldn?t she deduct the same from the body remains, since all she does is look at it, and she?s not even looking at the head, she?s looking at a helmet. All we know it could be dust inside.

-What type of worms are able to sustain life for 2000 years? Seriously, just how much nonsensical **** will they add to advance the plot? How come the scanners didn?t read a life form in that room, but were clearly able to read the frozen Engineer behind the wall later on in the movie? Also, there seems to be one broken urn, so isn?t it a possibility that in 2000 years one worm would somehow end up in contact with the goo? Since it?s an obviously stormy area, I bet there was at least a possibility that another urn could trip over or something and spill content on the worms. If worms are able to live for 2000 years, why couldn?t the thing that killed the Engineers as well?

-How the hell did the two guys manage to get lost, seriously? Why do they decide to put the helmet back on? Wouldn?t that spend oxygen? Later on in the movie it?s established there are only certain amounts of oxygen the suit provides because it runs out on Shaw pretty quickly, yet these guys can obviously pull an all nighter.

-What the **** is up with David and the goo? What was the whole point of this and how did he know that anything would turn up the way it did? He makes Holloway drink the goo, Holloway gets infected, his DNA mutates and transfers itself to Shaw via coitus. Can David see the future to align all of this so perfectly? Since Holloway is kind of drunk, a more probable outcome would be that he wouldn?t be able to get a boner and just go crash and sleep instead of impregnating Shaw with a face hugger.

-How convenient is Vickers? timing?

-Why do the huge vaginas go back to the room that something horrible obviously happened in? Why are people shocked at other people smoking weed in 2093? Are we actually de-evolving? Why does the biologist suddenly become so brave (and/or idiotic) to play with the snake creature, like seriously?

-Let?s go forward a bit, why does Fifield become a zombie and when has that ever happened and what does it have to do with anything? Why is his zombie progression faster than Holloway?s? If the goal is that the goo turns people into zombies that want to kill other people (becoming the weapon that was supposed to be sent to Earth to eradicate mankind), thus this black goo being the opposite of the opening scene black goo, why do the Engineers? remains in the pile show a chest buster and wouldn?t the black goo have the same zombie effect on them AS WE SHARE THE SAME DNA, and the Engineer head that combusts earlier looks to have the same reaction Holloway goes through a bit later on. Did they also have weird half-zombie sex like Holloway and Shaw and created a face hugger? Also, why didn?t they just color the goos differently to make it easier to recognize which gives life and which takes it. You had the green **** earlier, why not use that?

-Two guys are gone. The entire time they?re emitting a live stream through their helmet cams. You?d think in 2093 hard drives would be cheap enough to record their streams.

-What happened with the biologist? Is there any point to his role since he just dies and that?s it? You?d think a ****ing thing coming in his mouth would do something to him, as it usually wounds up doing in the Alien universe. They just leave his body there and that?s it.

-What?s the point of the whole David and the star map sequence? I get that they were planning to go to Earth to destroy mankind, but why? What have we done? Don?t give me the Space Jesus bull**** as that?s just ***** back pedaling and there?s nothing in the movie itself to back it up. And if they indeed wanted to go to Earth to destroy it, why has the weapons base been abandoned for 2000 years? You think a planetoid that has enough bioweapons to wipe out entire planets would be of some importance to the remaining Engineers and their home planet is obviously not that far away as Shaw and David leave for it in the end. Why do the Engineers just leave the weapons there? Also, if they?re so smart, why hasn?t there an alarm been set up to wake up the ******* Engineer that?s left in the room. On what supplies is he continuing to nurture his existence? Why doesn?t this movie make any ****ing sense?

-Why does Vickers have so little authority she has to burn Holloway herself?

-Shaw is pregnant, and David acts like he knew from the start how everything would play out. What?s up with his evil ****ing grin? Seriously, what the hell was his endgame? Why does he do a 180 near the end?

-My favorite scene in the movie, and the one that makes the least sense. Shaw knocks out two people, runs out of the quarantine, runs for a few meters and runs into the medipod. The same pod that we mentioned earlier with Vickers. She simply opens the door and that?s that, even though earlier in the film it?s been established the pod is a part of Vickers? self-sustaining module. No one comes running after her, no alarms have been set off even though quarantine has been breached, and she enters a highly secured area in order to use a medipod that is, wait for it, made for male users. Does Vickers have a dick? Did she go through a sex change operation so that?s why Weiland prefers David over her? Was the medipod meant for Weiland? If so, what the hell was it doing in Vickers? headquarters? It gets even better. Shaw performs the abortion, leaves the room AND THAT?S IT. There is a ****ing new parasitic species that probably wiped out the creators of mankind and no one gives two flying ****s about it, until of course it?s needed to advance the plot once again.

-Why didn?t they find an old man to play the part of Weiland, he simply looks horrible in the old man suit.

-Once again, there is a ****ing alien parasite in Vickers? headquarters and people don?t seem to notice even though it?s obviously growing by the minute.

-Let?s get to the final ****. The Engineer wakes up, and the superior species has no better things to do, like see what happened to everyone else, see if there are other living Engineers out there, no, he straight up starts killing everyone and flies for Earth just to bring this entire mess to the conclusion. Hey, at least he rips out David?s head which was rewarding, and he also kills Lysa Tully, that bitch.

-What does David?s head run on the entire time? Why does he suddenly want to help Shaw as he seemed almost proud about impregnating her and ****ing her boyfriend over?

-WHY CAN?T CHARLIZE THERON TURN LEFT OR RIGHT? WHY?

-How cheesy is the sacrifice of the captain and the pilots?

-Why does Shaw go to the Engineers? planet, is she mental? Isn?t going in the ship to retrieve David, the ship that just turned over a few times while holding a gazillion canisters of killer goo kind of retarded in and of itself? And what?s the point of the proto-xenomorph or whatever it is we see at the end? It?s going to die either way because it?s left on a dead planet. Why does every single thing in this movie depend on the sequel or some ****ty theories for answers? Is this an episode of Lost? The writing sure seems like it.

-**** DAMON LINDELOF UP HIS ****ING ASS.

The reason I?m writing this is that after originally seeing Prometheus in cinema, a day before seeing The Dark Knight Rises, I compared the two, saying how, while both movies are flawed and have some (haha) inconsistencies (it took me a repeat viewing to catch all of this, and I probably missed a lot still), The Dark Knight Rises was a much better movie-going experience as it made you care for the characters, it had a story with a clear beginning and end, and it sets up things which pay off in the end, so it made it almost painless to keep an eye closed at all the flaws. Prometheus was the opposite version of this as any potential explanations (and seeing as this comes from a ?Lost? writer, it will probably turn out to be a dream) are left for the sequel.

I was accused of not getting it and the movie being too high brow for the general audience. I decided to compile this ?small? list, which turned into me taking a dump on pretty much every scene in the movie. I should have been writing for Dose of Metal today, but oh well, I had to fight with the internet instead. Seriously, this movie isn?t smart, it only tries to be and it fails desperately, and don?t trust anyone telling you otherwise.

http://stream.findin...e-in-prometheus

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[Lamp0]

@Syanide:

I agree that the writting in Prometheus is frustatingly incoherent

But some of those points seem incredibly shallow and reactionary.

This, for example:

-What type of worms are able to sustain life for 2000 years? Seriously, just how much nonsensical **** will they add to advance the plot?

Of course it's nonsense, it's a sci-fi film.

Here is an excellent critique on Lindelof's writting in Prometheus:

http://badassdigest.com/2012/06/17/film-crit-hulk-smash-the-damon-lindleof-intervention/

I also completely disagree that The Dark Knight Rises was a better film. Not only was there a load of stupid stuff, but It was painfully over dramatic and there was not a big pay off at the end. It was predictable & uninspired.

The writting in Prometheus is a mess, but I still enjoyed it; it's fun, and It looks great that's for sure.

[Nothing Here]

We saw this the other day and it's a prequel to Alien. We weren't impressed with it.

[Rappy Veteran]

I finally got to see it and I enjoyed and its visually amazing, so many epic backdrops and shots.

[max22]

I loved it.

[Syanide]

Lamp0: I never meant for my 'review' to be a deep analysis, I just rewatched the film, and I didn't even plan on taking notes (regarding the worms, I'd still say the flying thingies not reading a life form there still makes no sense on a very basic story-telling level, disregarding the entire science behind how they sustain life).

While the first time I enjoyed the visuals and only felt slightly disappointed with the story, the second time I saw it ALL I could see was the incredibly poor writing and all the implications it had on the rest of the movie. It was almost unwatchable, and it makes me wonder how the hell something so faulty as this could go through all the stages of the movie making process without anyone shouting "The emperor has no clothes!" at any point.

It makes me sad they tried so hard to make an Alien movie "smart" (and failed even harder), because the beauty of the first Alien is the simplicity of the setting: A ship lands on an unknown planet. Something's out there.

[dh5]

I really enjoyed this film! I also enjoyed reading all of the theories by people afterwards and seeing things I did not originally put together at the cinema. I look forward to the next one :)

[Rappy Veteran]

The chase between Shaw and the Engineer at the end of Prometheus was originally filmed as much longer.

[Zlain]

I just didn't like the film. Okay, its a sci-fi film - it had amazing scenery and sets etc. Thats about all it did for me. The plot was so boring. I came away from the film highly disappointed.

[JaredFrost]

Lamp0: I never meant for my 'review' to be a deep analysis, I just rewatched the film, and I didn't even plan on taking notes (regarding the worms, I'd still say the flying thingies not reading a life form there still makes no sense on a very basic story-telling level, disregarding the entire science behind how they sustain life).

My understanding was the worms were created when the goo was exposed to oxygen, so there was no life to register, and therefore no life to sustain either, they were just building blocks, that when

combined created the worms.

I just didn't like the film. Okay, its a sci-fi film - it had amazing scenery and sets etc. Thats about all it did for me. The plot was so boring. I came away from the film highly disappointed.

I thought it was an alright film, and it was just starting to get good when it ended, it seemed more like a setup for a sequal.

[ThePitt]

the 'engineers' voice is just stupid. The movie was a rip-off and now they are making money with the extras. Nothing worth a cent.

[AJerman]

Hey, question for those who have seen this. I haven't seen Alien or Aliens (don't even recall if I saw Alien 3, know I didn't see past that) in YEARS. Like since I was a kid and my dad would watch it with me and say don't tell Mom, haha. I'd like to rewatch the others again, perhaps do a marathon one weekend or something. Should I watch the others again first, then Prometheus? Or should I start with this one being that it's a prequel. Kinda like the whole Star Wars thing I guess.

[drotaru]

i would say its more set in the same universe than a prequel. Kind of like Thor and Iron Man :p and also set earlier in the Aliens timeline but a whole monster of its own :D

[Rappy Veteran]

Hey, question for those who have seen this. I haven't seen Alien or Aliens (don't even recall if I saw Alien 3, know I didn't see past that) in YEARS. Like since I was a kid and my dad would watch it with me and say don't tell Mom, haha. I'd like to rewatch the others again, perhaps do a marathon one weekend or something. Should I watch the others again first, then Prometheus? Or should I start with this one being that it's a prequel. Kinda like the whole Star Wars thing I guess.

I watched Prometheus but had never seen Alien, strangely after seeing it I bought the blu-ray box set of Alien and working through them and love them because so much is clear i.e storywise

[FlintyV]

I thought it was a pretty good film but seemed to linger in some scenes and they'd shown far too much in the trailers, even going as afar as showing the finale of the film on some of the posters.

[AJerman]

Hmm.... ok, well I guess it doesn't matter too much then. I'll probably watch Prometheus first since I haven't seen it yet and I've seen the others.

[Lamp0]

the 'engineers' voice is just stupid. The movie was a rip-off and now they are making money with the extras. Nothing worth a cent.

I think you're being stupidly harsh.

The writing might be poor, but I find the film enjoyable, even if it is dissapointing.

I thought it was a pretty good film but seemed to linger in some scenes and they'd shown far too much in the trailers, even going as afar as showing the finale of the film on some of the posters.

Yes. This really ruined it for me.

[Anibal P]

I love thinking man type movies that drive Syanide type people crazy (nothing personal), you go into a movie like this and you spend two hours looking for the nitpicky "errors" that you miss out that small yet VERY important bits of the film. Yes it was a bit rushed in the second half, and yes some of the writing was a little off, but overall if you'd gone in with an open mind you would have had an enjoyable experience and a damn good thinkers movie all in one.

See people are soo used to crap movies in ALL genres just spoon feed you the plot and a happy ending that when a great movie comes up you hate it, hell didn't 2012 and the original Alien get similar negative reviews? And yet now they are considered classics of modern cinema and classics within their own genre

Me I'm hoping for a Directors cut soon, this is also the only movie I'm going to actually watch with the director's commentary track on

[perochan]

the 'engineers' voice is just stupid. The movie was a rip-off and now they are making money with the extras. Nothing worth a cent.

i don't recall engineers speak in the movie.

i enjoyed the movie and looking forward to the sequel.

[Dysphoria]

i enjoyed the movie and looking forward to the sequel.

Good movie! (Y)