Vista looks better than win 7

[soonerproud]

I've decent hardware already (vista capable before i bought it), its just my old habit to tweak system, isn't that yours too? I've another old system with P4 and Geforce 6800 and if I install XP, I can watch 1080p movies without any problem but thats not going to happen with Vista or 7 :D (even if i put decent hardware with this 6800 card)

One thing I agree, 7 is anytime better then Vista (just won't be better then my XP) :p

Tweaking of the services is not necessary in Vista and Windows 7 due to a new priority IO system introduced in Vista and further refined in Windows 7 by adding a run only when needed policy. Your programs will get all the resources they need without any intervention on your part because of this.

Over-tweaking is one of the major causes of performance degradation in Vista because people who know enough to be dangerous disable services the OS uses to tune performance. One example is ReadyBoost. It is really popular for some people to disable ReadyBoost because they think they will never use the feature. The problem with that philosophy is that other things besides ReadyBoost use that exact same service. There is a feature in both Vista and Windows 7 called ReadyBoot that uses that service along with Prefetching and Superfetch to tune boot times. Disabling any of these services will result in boot time degradation.

You should quit reading Black Viper and others that have not caught up with the technologies in Vista/Win 7. If you feel the need to tweak something, turn off Defender as that will give you a perceivable performance boost and Defender is useless. Do it from the Application itself as it will disable that service for you. Other than that, there is really not much outside of turning off desktop effect on skimpy graphics hardware (Intel I am looking squarely at you on this one!) that will boost performance.

The best tweak guide for Vista (Much of it applies to 7 too) is located here.

[piedpiper09]

You're talking about to the login screen, right? I think from login screen to desktop it fades. Not sure about boot screen to login screen though, I believe you're right.

The fade is nice, but in all honesty, I plan on using my computer, not watching it boot so it's not really much of an issue for me.

Still being honest here, as much as I like 7, I still like the look of Vista's taskbar. I was messing with 7 the other night, and I'm not sure whether I simply didn't try hard enough or what, but it doesn't seem to be possible to get that same dark shade as Vista's. Looks more grayish or something if I remember correctly. Will have to go home and fool with it again to be sure, but if I had any complaint, it'd be that.

The other thing that doesn't feel right to me is the start button. I just... don't like it. Vista's start button fit in perfectly, but with 7, it just feels like they threw it there and didn't bother looking at it again. I dunno though...

From boot screen to login screen...no fade effect that was present in Vista, and as my original statement, I liked better.

I like Win7 Taskbar better, but in vista when you maximized a window it would change to black and removed transparency, which looks a lot better than the mess of having a translucent taskbar in Win7

[Pharos]

I don't think we are talking about the same thing here - I'm referring to the fade effect while your comp boots.

Well said, but the people (avarage joe) who are on XP and stayed away from Vista, looking at Win7 - why would they switch? - They will think Vista 1.5 at most and stay with their trusted and familliar XP... now if MS would offer something that did not remind average joe's of vista, like new UI, theme or whatever, than I believe people will jump ship.

I completely disagree. The average Joe stayed away from Vista because it had such a bad rep. One of my friends (not tech savvy at all) was looking for a computer, and he said: "You know, this laptop is great but it's got Vista! I HATE Vista!" Did he even try Vista to say that? No, but he heard so much crap about it that he automatically rejected it.

Now with 7 it's a totally different story. People are raving about it, and there's a very very positive image associated with it, unlike poor Vista. Some people go as far as to say 7 is faster than XP in their system. There's this extremely positive image surrouding it and trust me, they're going to be hearing about it and that's a HUGE reason to want to upgrade. I bet most people won't think this is Vista's successor, they'll just think this is "that great new OS Microsoft is releasing and everyone seems to be very excited about it". :)

[piedpiper09]

I completely disagree. The average Joe stayed away from Vista because it had such a bad rep. One of my friends (not tech savvy at all) was looking for a computer, and he said: "You know, this laptop is great but it's got Vista! I HATE Vista!" Did he even try Vista to say that? No, but he heard so much crap about it that he automatically rejected it.

Now with 7 it's a totally different story. People are raving about it, and there's a very very positive image associated with it, unlike poor Vista. Some people go as far as to say 7 is faster than XP in their system. There's this extremely positive image surrouding it and trust me, they're going to be hearing about it and that's a HUGE reason to want to upgrade. I bet most people won't think this is Vista's successor, they'll just think this is "that great new OS Microsoft is releasing and everyone seems to be very excited about it". :)

I dunno, are people going to think it's not Vista when they are looking at a laptop at Best Buy? - It looks almost exactly like vista? And with that it's bad rep. Sure it has a lot of positives, but to whom, my non tech savvy dad or mom? They have seen Vista and it has a bad taste in their mouths, they will need to see a different UI to make a purchase of a new OS ? They need to think that THIS new OS is nothing like Vista.

[Deihmos]

I prefer quick launch to items pinned on the superbar..

SO do I. I find myself fumbling trying to find opened application in Win 7. I hope they include an option to enable quick launch.

[piedpiper09]

SO do I. I find myself fumbling trying to find opened application in Win 7. I hope they include an option to enable quick launch.

as far as I understand - it's RC and that will not change... that's why my cosmetic hopes for Win7 was crushed... I don't think nothing will change from this point on. Most believe it's all bug fixes from this point on.

[Imran Hussain]

...cosmetically win7 seems unfinished.

Seems? It just reached RC. It is unfinished.

[piedpiper09]

Win95 to win98 looked almost the same as paralleled to Vista -> going to Win7 ? but the big difference here is that win95 was a major success and had both enthusiast and average Joes AGREEING that windows was awesome, the same thing cannot be said with Vista. That's why I think they need to change the look of Win7?.

Seems? It just reached RC. It is unfinished.

Ahh read up... nobody believes that anything will change from this point on, at least not drastically such as UI - it's all bug fixes from this point on.

[Guest xiphi]

SO do I. I find myself fumbling trying to find opened application in Win 7. I hope they include an option to enable quick launch.

That option has been there the whole time. It's called Toolbars. Quick Launch is now redundant with the new superbar.

[Gio Takahashi]

That option has been there the whole time. It's called Toolbars. Quick Launch is now redundant with the new superbar.

Right, I don't know why everyone's crying over the lack of quicklaunch, when the new toolbar is way, way, way better.

[piedpiper09]

Right, I don't know why everyone's crying over the lack of quicklaunch, when the new toolbar is way, way, way better.

I agree - I love the new taskbar. it's the toolbar I hate in Win7 - It's fugly, no icons and hate the shade used. I think we will see are refinement of this RC2...look unfinished. But yeah taskbar = awesome.

[Quillz]

I agree - I love the new taskbar. it's the toolbar I hate in Win7 - It's fugly, no icons and hate the shade used. I think we will see are refinement of this RC2...look unfinished. But yeah taskbar = awesome.

There isn't going to be a RC2.

[piedpiper09]

There isn't going to be a RC2.

Are you sure???? - one is not planed but it can still happen. Oct 23 is launch date, and we are RC in May... that's alot of time in between. something is going to happen!

Edited April 30, 2009 by piedpiper09

[Gio Takahashi]

I don't believe that October 23rd will be the launch date, but I won't be surprised, and I'm pretty sure that there won't be a second RC.

[piedpiper09]

I don't believe that October 23rd will be the launch date, but I won't be surprised, and I'm pretty sure that there won't be a second RC.

All we can do is speculate right?

[Robbie Khan Reviews]

7 looks more modern than Vista by a wide margin, even on my netbook 7 looks like an OS of today whereas with Vista on my PC and 24" screen it still resembles the "Windows" look.

[piedpiper09]

7 looks more modern than Vista by a wide margin, even on my netbook 7 looks like an OS of today whereas with Vista on my PC and 24" screen it still resembles the "Windows" look.

C'mon really...???? Windows is so far away from using a graphic cards capacity; it's not even funny...have you played games on your PC or Xbox recently? - Look at their menu system and UI, they're graphically rich and look wonderful - except for the transparency, what is so special with the current UI that XP did not do? fip 3D...WOW, I'm sure in 2009 we can have something a little bit more of a WOW factor!!!

[Denis W. Veteran]

C'mon really...???? Windows is so far away from using a graphic cards capacity; it's not even funny...have you played games on your PC or Xbox recently? - Look at their menu system and UI, they're graphically rich and look wonderful - except for the transparency, what is so special with the current UI that XP did not do? fip 3D...WOW, I'm sure in 2009 we can have something a little bit more of a WOW factor!!!

You must be joking, right?

There's a really fine line to walk between a visually pleasing UI and one catered to flashy in-game UIs or those you see in movies. Yes they're cool, yes they're full of WOW, but would you be saying those things after seeing them for the 500th time?

OS X is slightly better than Windows in this department, but not by much. The visual effects in that OS are also nice and subtle, without going too over the top.

The key word here is subtle. For something to be visually pleasing it must stay pleasing on its first look and after many many encounters by a majority of its users. Some people would be fatigued at seeing exploding or wobbly windows after a while, stuff that Compiz does on Linux.

Please don't bother linking to the Longhorn concepts of 2003 or that concept video released a few weeks ago - they're just that, concepts. Flashy demonstrations that, for the time being, don't translate well into reality.

[Robbie Khan Reviews]

This guy must be joking methinks.

[fhpuqrgrpgvirzhpujbj]

It's ok to have your own opinions... it's just that yours are wrong.

[+kpo6969 Subscriber¹]

Anyone try the 185.81 Win7 beta driver that came out today?

Very nice set:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7_x86_185.81_beta.html

http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7_x64_185.81_beta.html

[Owen W Veteran]

All we can do is speculate right?

No. There will be no RC2. Microsoft explicitly stated so.

The only reason RC2 would happen is in case of a showstopping bug, which will not happen.

[+Gary7 Subscriber²]

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. And while I respect yours, I disagree on every single point you brought up. I get the same feeling about 7 compared to Vista as I did with Vista compared to XP (visually). I think 7 is fantastic. And while I still love Vista's feel and appearance, 7 is a vast improvement.

And don't even get me started on that archaic, UGLY XP :D

I agree 100%. Vista is to Win 7 as The Swine Flu is to Good Health. :rolleyes:

[.tony]

I agree and disagree, 7 is cleaner, but there are some areas where I prefer Vista.

But then you could argue that bits from Longhorn were nicer, etc.

It's all down to opinion, but I quite like 7's clean look.

[notuptome2004]

Windows 7 is huge steps ahead of vista in the UI windows 7 is less cluttered the issue with Vista was users complained it was to clutter and had a rough feel and look to it . Windows 7 is near perfect if you ask me it is.

now as for the longhorn concept well when Jim alchin at the time project leader for windows long/vista everything they talked about as for user experience and scenarios never happen at least not on screen the words during some of his Winhec speeches talking about longhorn and or some of the concept UIs using an animation program to do them never matched but now you can look back at what he talked about and finally see that vision come to life in windows 7 it is almost to a T the vision Jim alchin and his windows team tried to show us but failed. Windows 7 is by a whole new team and they took a good 90% of that vision and what not and made it reality