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Functionality of win7 is perfect, I love it. So snappy and up front.

However I feel it's kinda silly to complain about eye candy, but here's my input anyway:

The whole fade thing is nice, reminds me of OS X. But in OS X the boot feels like it's actually part of the desktop and it creates a seamless transition to and from.

(In windows, after boot, the screen flickers (Tube Monitor) or the Lights in LCD screens turn off then light up again.)

(In OS X, it's all seamless. It's... seamless lol. It's all 1 entity...er environment.)

What I would have liked in win7 is the smoothness of OS X. I don't use OS X "at all" but I like how it feels. Windows is kinda jerky, and you get motion blur when you move things around like windows or scrolling with the mouse wheel. You get MOTION BLUR!!!!!

OS X doesn't do that and I want Windows to be just like that! Does it have to do with the whole quartz thing? Does anyone know what I'm talking about? xD

I forgot to mention, what exactly about the changes to Windows 7 is "minor"? I can't find a change that isn't relatively major. Including the improved speed over Vista/XP.

Functionality of win7 is perfect, I love it. So snappy and up front.

However I feel it's kinda silly to complain about eye candy, but here's my input anyway:

The whole fade thing is nice, reminds me of OS X. But in OS X the boot feels like it's actually part of the desktop and it creates a seamless transition to and from.

(In windows, after boot, the screen flickers (Tube Monitor) or the Lights in LCD screens turn off then light up again.)

(In OS X, it's all seamless. It's... seamless lol. It's all 1 entity...er environment.)

What I would have liked in win7 is the smoothness of OS X. I don't use OS X "at all" but I like how it feels. Windows is kinda jerky, and you get motion blur when you move things around like windows or scrolling with the mouse wheel. You get MOTION BLUR!!!!!

OS X doesn't do that and I want Windows to be just like that! Does it have to do with the whole quartz thing? Does anyone know what I'm talking about? xD

It's impossible to do that on the huge variety of PC hardware. The only reason OSX can stay so consistent is cuz their hardware is locked down.

hahaha, I hated Vista, now I hate 7 (guess thats me only and i don't blame you all). Don't get me wrong but when you tweak and disable unnecessary services from XP, you can end up with very very few services (which is cool for a gamer like me). Check out my processes....

after tweaking Vista, i could NOT disable as many services as i did with XP. To get the same job done quickly as xp, Vista almost doubled my time, 7 has added more. When it comes to that taskbar of 7 and themes, its cool but i'm afraid my girlfriend won't come everyday to see these "fancy dresses" either. Its great if MS allows removing/reinstalling unnecessary files/services (like W98 Setup remember?). There are so many GBs, Even Apple realized something and Snow Leo is near 5 GB! (And they are known to be cool kewl dudes in OSX world). Installation time can go down further if we're allowed to remove things (like XPLite)

Black Viper is your friend...!

Now, I haven't tested 7 since 7000 beta, eagerly awaiting an official release of the RC so I'm going from screenshots.

But here's what I think of your opinions :) :

-Fade in into the login screen - not in win7 it just abruptly pop-ups after boot screen ? not very elegant.

The fade in XP into the boot screen is rather annoying, and I never really liked the one in Vista that you're describing. I guess I disagree with you.

-Toolbar is plain looking in win7 with no icons - this looked much better in vista.

Especially since some people learn more quickly by pictures than text! Make it configurable, but don't force text-only buttons.

-Start orb glow in win7 looks odd

I was always a little disappointed with the hover look of the Start button in Vista, I like how in 7 it pops out more.

-Transparency when window is maximized does not look good at all ? should be black like in vista. Same with the taskbar.

The lack of transparency was always one of my pet peeves, but they should make it configurable.

-Default background for login and installation ? it?s nice and all ? a little feminine looking but it really does not make the login screen look good or modern. And the white font ?windows 7 ultimate? at the bottom blend in too much with the background.

I agree a lot. I really like the one in Vista and the one in the 7 beta, the one in the latest 7 builds looks too plain. BTW, now that you can officially change the background of the login screen, can you change the text color so its still readable with a white background?

-The animations while coping or moving or deleting files is pretty ugly and looked better in Vista.

Haven't seen this, can't comment.

The only good thing to come out of this thread:

Anyone try the 185.81 Win7 beta driver that came out today?

Very nice set:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7_x86_185.81_beta.html

http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7_x64_185.81_beta.html

Everyone else just seems to be arguing.

Thank you for the download link!

There isn't going to be a RC2.

Not publicly, but there will be a internal RC2 build for internal certification and testing after Microsoft squashes any bugs that come apparent in RC1.

Anyone try the 185.81 Win7 beta driver that came out today?

Very nice set:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7_x86_185.81_beta.html

http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7_x64_185.81_beta.html

Yup and the 6600GT in this PC was not happy about it, so I had to do a system restore.

No. There will be no RC2. Microsoft explicitly stated so.

The only reason RC2 would happen is in case of a showstopping bug, which will not happen.

They only said there will be NO PUBLIC RC2. They never said there would not be a internal RC2.

No, he is the enemy of a well working Vista. Use the guides at tweakguides.com instead.

The lack of transparency was always one of my pet peeves, but they should make it configurable.

It is configurable in both Win7 and Vista. In Windows 7, go to personalize - Window Color and Appearance and adjust the "Color Intensity" slider to get the desired transparency.

I'll say this about Win7... even though I sound like I'm bashing it...which I'm not - I just think MS would seal the deal if they had one more "wow" for us...like a new and exciting fresh UI (SKIN/THEME/WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT) one that would differentiate the look....one that would remove the notion that it's just a better Vista. I really believe that people will think Win7 is Vista and vice versa. I think it's in the better interest of MS to do this. My ex wife thought there was an update to Vista, which I installed Win7 - she doesn't know the difference. I can't explain why she didn't notice the Win7 logo...but to her it's almost the same...anyways what I wanted to say is that, the underpinnings is where Win7 shine...it's so much faster in everything it does...even office apps load up faster, don't ask me how it does it...but it's true...no one crash..etc etc... I just hope people will over look the bad taste that was Vista and give Win7 a chance... even though they look the same, essentially.

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I'm pretty sure that more people will give windows 7 a chance than they did with Windows Vista. As for a new UI/Theme, whatever. Maybe they will, Maybe they won't. Windows 7 is pretty much great enough as it is. Appearance isn't everything, but it is a factor though. From the way I see it, it's just better code, much better performance than Vista. (Not that I think Vista was bad mind you)

Win95 to win98 looked almost the same as paralleled to Vista -> going to Win7 ? but the big difference here is that win95 was a major success and had both enthusiast and average Joes AGREEING that windows was awesome, the same thing cannot be said with Vista. That's why I think they need to change the look of Win7?.

Ahh read up... nobody believes that anything will change from this point on, at least not drastically such as UI - it's all bug fixes from this point on.

Actually, the only people who complained about Vista was a very vocal minority who never used the OS. The vast majority of people use it and have no strong opinions one way or another.

And, no, like I said, the UI doesn't change unless it has to. With Win95, 98 and ME, the OS looked virtually the same over the course of some five years, because it was the 9x era. Things changed in XP because it was the first time NT was built for the consumer market. And now we've moved onto the Vista/7 era, with hardware accelerated desktops. Thus, don't expect the GUI to change until the next major Windows revision, which will likely bring about an entirely new desktop paradigm, anyway.

That's pretty much the way I see it too. vista is to 7 as 95 is to 98, to 2K/Pro. (And please dear god let's not bring ME into this, it may looked the same but it's a horrid piece of junk.) I can't even imagine what better GUI they can come up with than 7 as it is now, in terms of professional design.

i think if anyone looks at windows 7 and thinks it is Vista is a super Idiot for sure. Cause the difference is right in your damn face . a good example was from an Early build of windows 7 presented at the D6 confferance and Walt moss burge was easy to see the difference btween both the current windows 7 version that used the windows vista taskbar and the other one witha different t Taskbar

Quote MossBurge : Wait wait a 2nd her umm not stop ya from what your doing but i notice over here this one has a different taskbar can you explian what this is.

Quote Microsft: well i am not supposed to talk about that right now.

So if Walt can see the difference in an old old build then umm yea so can the regular consumer and also the differences between the vista explorer in many areas and the windows 7 are hugely see able i can see them right away widnows 7 is not as bloated in the UI

Actually, the only people who complained about Vista was a very vocal minority who never used the OS.

Thats what Vista defenders have been saying for over 2 years now and XP still has a WAYYYYY larger install base than Vista and Vista is still largely ignored in the enterprise market.

You would be in the minority, not the other way around ;)

Functionality of win7 is perfect, I love it. So snappy and up front.

However I feel it's kinda silly to complain about eye candy, but here's my input anyway:

The whole fade thing is nice, reminds me of OS X. But in OS X the boot feels like it's actually part of the desktop and it creates a seamless transition to and from.

(In windows, after boot, the screen flickers (Tube Monitor) or the Lights in LCD screens turn off then light up again.)

(In OS X, it's all seamless. It's... seamless lol. It's all 1 entity...er environment.)

What I would have liked in win7 is the smoothness of OS X. I don't use OS X "at all" but I like how it feels. Windows is kinda jerky, and you get motion blur when you move things around like windows or scrolling with the mouse wheel. You get MOTION BLUR!!!!!

OS X doesn't do that and I want Windows to be just like that! Does it have to do with the whole quartz thing? Does anyone know what I'm talking about? xD

i love it when people complain about things they can't even describe.

yeah, its all "one Entity"

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