Barclays Premier League Season 2009/2010

[rajputwarrior]

I am not unclear at all, I just don't call people who support a team for the sole reason that they are winning everything real fans, because they aren't real fans. And to be "frank" (look I can make smart alecy quips as well, aren't I the smart one :D) I don't give a toss whether you think I am a glory hunter or not, I was brought up around Liverpool supporters, I have loved Liverpool since I first became interested in football, and I have supported them through the good times and the bad.

At the moment it isn't looking too good I admit, but if we can salvage a CL place the season won't have been a total write off

face it frank... the season is a write off.

and to add to the topic i started cheering for liverpool when i was ten when i my toke me to a local sports store to buy a man u sharp jersey but all i wanted was that red carlsberg jersey ;) 13+ years supporting the reds!

[Kralik]

20+ years of supporting Arsenal.. not a sec I tht we were not the best.. Wenger must get his act together or we should bring in Hiddink coz no one man is bigger than the club.. Let's go you Gooners!!

[Dance.]

Wooooh! One more loss for Chelsea please! Gogogo gooners !

[Macsen]

Wow, I'm surprised Hull got a point on Chelsea. :blink:

[Martyn]

I think some of you are being a little harsh on Frank, or at least some of you have misinterpreted him.

As far as I am concerned (and I guess it is a personal opinion), you either support your team through family or through location. It is the way football has always been, and it is part of the traditional roots of the game that we are forgetting in the modern Sky Football era.

The problem with football these days is the fact it is so commercialised, with adverts on the telly every five seconds shoving the 'beautiful game' down our throats.

sums it up for me.

If you have Freddie from France who 'supports' Man Utd, who doesn't go to any games, in my opinion they are simply falling into the merchandising trap set by most successful football clubs these days. Glory hunters.

I would much rather support my local football team in France than watch Man Utd from afar. You could go the match with your mates, have a laugh, a few drinks, and at the end of the day you would have that true passion inside of you.

and to add to the topic i started cheering for liverpool when i was ten when i my toke me to a local sports store to buy a man u sharp jersey but all i wanted was that red carlsberg jersey ;) 13+ years supporting the reds!

It's going to be strange seeing 'Standard Chartered' on our shirts from next season.

20+ years of supporting Arsenal.. not a sec I tht we were not the best.. Wenger must get his act together or we should bring in Hiddink coz no one man is bigger than the club.. Let's go you Gooners!!

Arsenal are a funny team to watch from a far. Your seasons of late seem to consist of various peaks and troughs, one minute Wenger is the messiah and one minute he is the enemy. Interesting how Wenger gets no stick in the media though.

[nothuman]

Marketing trap? I was too young at that time for even know how to spell it...And I don't need, nor want, to explain myself to you. You made your point pretty clear, every others supporters are glorry hunters, execpt those who support Liverpool of course.

[Mike]

If you have Freddie from France who 'supports' Man Utd, who doesn't go to any games, in my opinion they are simply falling into the merchandising trap set by most successful football clubs these days. Glory hunters.

Not going to games is irrelevant to me. Being a United fan it's very rare you can go and tickets the same week a match is on. The Carling Cup Semi was sold out before the first leg even kicked off.

The marketing / merchandising thing is a bit of an oddity though. The premier league is meant to be the best league so it's bound to attract international fans. And as the most successful ones are known they attract fans - a team can't get international fans if nobody knows of them.

Simple question with a tech oriented theme. Say you're a fan of apple products - 99% of the time because you think they make the best products - you selected apple's products based on the quality - why not do that with football teams?

As for 'nothuman', you can't say he's a glory hunter without knowing things about him which is why Frank got the replies he did. Just because you support a successful club, doesn't make you a glory hunter.

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Martyn just because everyone doesn't agree with your opinion doesn't mean they're wrong. I support United, Atletico Madrid & Fiorentina because I like the clubs. It has nothing to do with the fact that (if) they win titles or not. I'd support United even if they were a division 2 club.

There's no law that states that you need to be from the area or its passed down by your family to start supporting a club, that's completely moronic. I'm sure if you read what you typed out loud you'd realize how moronic it sounds. If you don't.... well.. .

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I think some of you are being a little harsh on Frank, or at least some of you have misinterpreted him.

As far as I am concerned (and I guess it is a personal opinion), you either support your team through family or through location. It is the way football has always been, and it is part of the traditional roots of the game that we are forgetting in the modern Sky Football era.

The problem with football these days is the fact it is so commercialised, with adverts on the telly every five seconds shoving the 'beautiful game' down our throats.

sums it up for me.

If you have Freddie from France who 'supports' Man Utd, who doesn't go to any games, in my opinion they are simply falling into the merchandising trap set by most successful football clubs these days. Glory hunters.

I would much rather support my local football team in France than watch Man Utd from afar. You could go the match with your mates, have a laugh, a few drinks, and at the end of the day you would have that true passion inside of you.

It's going to be strange seeing 'Standard Chartered' on our shirts from next season.

Arsenal are a funny team to watch from a far. Your seasons of late seem to consist of various peaks and troughs, one minute Wenger is the messiah and one minute he is the enemy. Interesting how Wenger gets no stick in the media though.

People can support whoever they want, I used to like Newcastle till Andy Cole went to Man Utd then I supported them both (big Andy Cole fan), but not so much Newcastle now after the disaster at that club.

I already explained on the last page I support my local team, Motherwell, but Scottish football is ****. Don't you realise the Premier League is if not the best supported and biggest league in the world? Only so many teams in that league to get behind.

It annoys me that others being passionate about a club just because they haven't been brought up in a family supporting them, or live 3.5 miles away seems to drive you Liverpool fans up the wall. It's sad.

Sir Alex Ferguson is also Scottish, and Daren Fletcher, two other reasons I like Man Utd, Sir Alex has some insanely bad/awesome quotes, but he's one heck of a manager.

Martyn just because everyone doesn't agree with your opinion doesn't mean they're wrong. I support United, Atletico Madrid & Fiorentina because I like the clubs. It has nothing to do with the fact that (if) they win titles or not. I'd support United even if they were a division 2 club.

There's no law that states that you need to be from the area or its passed down by your family to start supporting a club, that's completely moronic. I'm sure if you read what you typed out loud you'd realize how moronic it sounds. If you don't.... well.. .

Yes.

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Yes.

Gimme mah +1s :p.

[Subject Delta]

face it frank... the season is a write off.

Nothing's really gone well admittedly, but as I said, if a CL spot can still be retrieved it would be a bonus

20+ years of supporting Arsenal.. not a sec I tht we were not the best.. Wenger must get his act together or we should bring in Hiddink coz no one man is bigger than the club.. Let's go you Gooners!!

Although Arsenal's form has been really up and down of late, I do feel that their lack of resources is partly to blame as well, mind you we keep hearing the excuse that Arsenal are a young team that need to come of age soon, but my question is how much longer will that story hold out.

Marketing trap? I was too young at that time for even know how to spell it...And I don't need, nor want, to explain myself to you. You made your point pretty clear, every others supporters are glorry hunters, execpt those who support Liverpool of course.

Nobody implied that all non Liverpool supporters are glory hunters, but the question was asked as to how someone not even from England, with no connection to Manchester could magically end up supporting man united. To be honest your silence gives us the answers we need anyway ;)

Simple question with a tech oriented theme. Say you're a fan of apple products - 99% of the time because you think they make the best products - you selected apple's products based on the quality - why not do that with football teams?

As for 'nothuman', you can't say he's a glory hunter without knowing things about him which is why Frank got the replies he did. Just because you support a successful club, doesn't make you a glory hunter.

The difference is with tech products, you don't buy inferior quality local products just because they are local, you buy a product because you think it fits your life better than any other. Hopping on a bandwaggon with a sports team however just because they happen to be winning everything at the time is the definition of a glory hunter, IE someone who supports a team for the sole reason that they are winning stuff. The simple fact that nothuman refuses to answer any questions as to why he started to support united says all you need to know really.

And let's just put it this way, before the premier league, and sky sports, when United where just another nobody and nothing club, their global support was really low. All of a sudden when they started to win titles, suddenly they have a massive global fanbase. Coincidence? no. Same thing happens with almost all sports, why do you think that Ferrari has the most global F1 fans?

People can support whoever they want, I used to like Newcastle till Andy Cole went to Man Utd then I supported them both (big Andy Cole fan), but not so much Newcastle now after the disaster at that club.

I already explained on the last page I support my local team, Motherwell, but Scottish football is ****. Don't you realise the Premier League is if not the best supported and biggest league in the world? Only so many teams in that league to get behind.

It annoys me that others being passionate about a club just because they haven't been brought up in a family supporting them, or live 3.5 miles away seems to drive you Liverpool fans up the wall. It's sad.

It is annoying to us as well, constantly having to listen to childish man united fans that have an unhealthy obsession with Liverpool and their achievements, constantly blabbering on about how they are going to be beating all our records, seeming to take just as much interest in our results as our own. Ok, that may not apply to all of you, but when most of them are fakers that have just hopped on the winning bandwaggon, it can get frustrating for us as well. And really your own statement does put you amongst those fans, supporting an English team just because "scottish football is s***" is a strange reason to me.

[Martyn]

Martyn just because everyone doesn't agree with your opinion doesn't mean they're wrong.

I never said everyone has to agree with me, I did however state that my previous post was 'my opinion'.

[Mike]

And let's just put it this way, before the premier league, and sky sports, when United where just another nobody and nothing club, their global support was really low. All of a sudden when they started to win titles, suddenly they have a massive global fanbase. Coincidence? no. Same thing happens with almost all sports, why do you think that Ferrari has the most global F1 fans?

How many clubs pre-PL had a huge global fan base? The creation of the PL got more people watching the teams in it as well as the teams actually visiting other countries. If all these glory hunters suddenly became United fans, which clubs lost millions of fans? There are many fans who don't visit games when the team is losing but are still fans of said club just because you didn't know of them doesn't mean they didn't exist.

Ferrari have a lot of F1 fans because they're very well known, have been in it forever and have the most daily precense too - what other F1 team is as big as Ferrari in the racing world? Non.e

It is annoying to us as well, constantly having to listen to childish man united fans that have an unhealthy obsession with Liverpool and their achievements, constantly blabbering on about how they are going to be beating all our records, seeming to take just as much interest in our results as our own. Ok, that may not apply to all of you, but when most of them are fakers that have just hopped on the winning bandwaggon, it can get frustrating for us as well. And really your own statement does put you amongst those fans, supporting an English team just because "scottish football is s***" is a strange reason to me.

I know it wasn't directed at me, but, it's not just United fans that want Liverpool's record broken and the main reason is because a lot of your fans kept going on about it and keep referring to it - I'm pretty sure Martyn has used the "we've won X trophies" sentence at some point on here. To me, it's coming across as though you're annoyed the record is going and expect no one to care about it now it's going from Liverpool but it appeared fine when it was the Liverpool fans boasting about having record number of trophies.

[Shibby]

The current talk is the very reason why I no longer post in this topic.

It seems you've got to attend the matches to be classed as a fan. ? And also it seems you've got to have some sort of link to a club to also be classed as a fan.

It this and the name calling in the past that has turned me off from even bothering taking part in any form of discussion relating to football.

[nothuman]

Nobody implied that all non Liverpool supporters are glory hunters, but the question was asked as to how someone not even from England, with no connection to Manchester could magically end up supporting man united. To be honest your silence gives us the answers we need anyway ;)

I don't have to justify myself to a stupid comment. And yours are pretty high level in bull****. You hate all others supporters so much you an't even realize it. Liverpool has only 434,900 minus the Everton fans. And you hate all the others, because they don't live in Liverpool. So you must hate yourself too, wich is understandable. Last time I check Kent wasn't near Liverpool...

It must be a thing with Liverpool FC supporters, hating all the non Liverpudlians who love football. You generalize, I can too.

And it's always nice to see someone who doesn't know a thing about me telling me how I am, and what to do. Pure bull****, as always from you...

[Subject Delta]

I don't have to justify myself to a stupid comment. And yours are pretty high level in bull****. You hate all others supporters so much you an't even realize it. Liverpool has only 434,900 minus the Everton fans. And you hate all the others, because they don't live in Liverpool. So you must hate yourself too, wich is understandable. Last time I check Kent wasn't near Liverpool...

It must be a thing with Liverpool FC supporters, hating all the non Liverpudlians who love football. You generalize, I can too.

And it's always nice to see someone who doesn't know a thing about me telling me how I am, and what to do. Pure bull****, as always from you...

The fact that you refuse to answer means it obviosuly isn't bull****. And I actually don't hate non scousers who like football, my problem is with fans like you that jump on the glory waggon and support a team because they are winning everything, I have stated several times that I don't have a problem with real fans of any team, it is just a question of who I do and don't class as true fans but hell it's just my opinion, if you don't like it you are quiet free not to read my posts (Y)

[Subject Delta]

I know it wasn't directed at me, but, it's not just United fans that want Liverpool's record broken and the main reason is because a lot of your fans kept going on about it and keep referring to it - I'm pretty sure Martyn has used the "we've won X trophies" sentence at some point on here. To me, it's coming across as though you're annoyed the record is going and expect no one to care about it now it's going from Liverpool but it appeared fine when it was the Liverpool fans boasting about having record number of trophies.

In all honesty I am not that bothered about whether the record goes or not, records exist to be broken, it's just extra motivation for Liverpool to get the record back again, I just get sick of hearing them (and more so recently Chelsea) fans gloating every time we loose a game, it's just boring. I would also like to point out that I am not even from the generation of fans that where about when Liverpool where winning everything, I was only born in 1985 and only really started to get interested in football in 1996, so I don't really know how you can apply that argument to me. Sometimes I use our CL record to poke fun at Chelsea fans when they go on about us losing Champion's League matches for a bit of fun, but other than that I don't go on about our records a lot.

[Mike]

I would also like to point out that I am not even from the generation of fans that where about when Liverpool where winning everything, I was only born in 1985 and only really started to get interested in football in 1996, so I don't really know how you can apply that argument to me.

You said yourself you supported Liverpool because your family did. Did they only start being interested in football in '96 too?

[Dance.]

The fact that you refuse to answer means it obviosuly isn't bull****

No he replied to clear the air.

And I actually don't hate non scousers who like football, my problem is with fans like you that jump on the glory waggon and support a team because they are winning everything

And how is the allegation even remotely true? I know so many people who support Arsenal from India and they haven't won anything in the last 5 years.

I have stated several times that I don't have a problem with real fans of any team, it is just a question of who I do and don't class as true fans but hell it's just my opinion

Somehow you think there's a difference in fans. People who support a team out of choice aren't fans :huh: ? I'd understand if they club hopped (United-Chelsea-United etc.) but people who've supported a single club throughout their entire football following period are unreal fans? Both you and Martyn seemed to have misinterpreted the meaning of a "fan" and "gloryhunter". You should really look it up (Y).

if you don't like it you are quiet free not to read my posts (Y)

I'd have to read your post to know I don't like it, not the other way around.

In all honesty I am not that bothered about whether the record goes or not, records exist to be broken, it's just extra motivation for Liverpool to get the record back again

Correct.

I just get sick of hearing them (and more so recently Chelsea) fans gloating every time we loose a game, it's just boring.

When you won at United last season weren't you gloating?

Sometimes I use our CL record to poke fun at Chelsea fans when they go on about us losing Champion's League matches for a bit of fun, but other than that I don't go on about our records a lot.

Sounds a bit like gloating doesn't it ?

[Subject Delta]

You said yourself you supported Liverpool because your family did. Did they only start being interested in football in '96 too?

I was with my mother until I was 5 or 6 (she was a Chelsea fan by the way), and then I was taken into foster care. My mother never introduced me to football, I don't actually believe she started supporting Chelsea until after I left, as I had never even see a football match until I was with my carers. Their family where, and always had been Liverpool supporters, and as they introduced me to football, I started to follow Liverpool as well. What where their reasons for supporting them? to be honest I don't know as I never asked them, and to be frank I don't really care, as their reasons for supporting them never really had much effect on me.

And how is the allegation even remotely true? I know so many people who support Arsenal from India and they haven't won anything in the last 5 years.

When you won at United last season weren't you gloating?

Being pleased when your own team wins, and being obsessed with another team losing that you don't even support are 2 entirely different matters. Beating your biggest rivals 4-1 on their own patch, and inflicting their heaviest home defeat for 15 years would be something to enjoy regardless of who you supported.

Sounds a bit like gloating doesn't it ?

Not really, it's just a bit of fun as I only actually do it when the Chelsea fans start ragging on Liverpool rather than all the time.

[Rappy Veteran]

Crisis club Portsmouth have fourth owner of the season

Premier League crisis club Portsmouth have been taken over by their fourth different owner of the season.

Hong Kong-based businessman Balram Chainrai is understood to have bought 90% of the club's shares from previous owner Ali Al Faraj.

BBC sports news correspondent Gordon Farquhar said: "He is understood not to be interested in a long-term ownership, just averting the current crisis."

Pompey are expected to make an official announcement later on Thursday.

Farquhar added on BBC Radio 5 live: "Chainrai says he has invoked a clause in a loan contract he struck with the club's third owner this year, Ali Al Faraj, giving him the right to take over 90% of the shares should they default on repayments to him.

"He recently loaned the club ?15m to ?20m to help get them through their current financial crisis, which still isn't resolved and now the loans have not been repaid we understand he's saying he's the new owner of the club on that basis.

"The thing is, for people like Chainrai and former owner Sacha Gaydamak that the money they have put into the club would be lost if Portsmouth went into liquidation.

"That's the real risk for them, so they need to keep the club afloat by doing whatever they can."

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Being pleased when your own team wins, and being obsessed with another team losing that you don't even support are 2 entirely different matters. Beating your biggest rivals 4-1 on their own patch, and inflicting their heaviest home defeat for 15 years would be something to enjoy regardless of who you supported.

Beating your biggest rivals 1-0 also is something to enjoy. Beating anyone 1-0 is also something to enjoy. It's the same thing.

Not really, it's just a bit of fun as I only actually do it when the Chelsea fans start ragging on Liverpool rather than all the time.

Even they're having a "bit of fun".

[Subject Delta]

Even they're having a "bit of fun".

They aren't though. Do you even read the posts of gregb0b and Kostaz? They are just as obsessed with Liverpool losing as they are with their own team's results :/

[Dance.]

They aren't though. Do you even read the posts of gregb0b and Kostaz? They are just as obsessed with Liverpool losing as they are with their own team's results :/

Nope :p. Well then I guess all peace is restored to this thread then :D. DOWN WITH CHELSEA :rofl: !

[Subject Delta]

:rofl: