16385 still has a taskbar higlight glitch

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I don't get how it is annoying. Just hover your mouse back over it and it's gone...It's not like it's a big deal. Your system's not going to lose all of it's data because of it. There are worse things going on in this world.

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Is this the same bug as this reported at technet forums back in February?

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums...11-a38a4e546de3

By the way, there are a number of taskbar "glitches" reported there.

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Search...Interface+Forum

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I don't get how it is annoying. Just hover your mouse back over it and it's gone...It's not like it's a big deal. Your system's not going to lose all of it's data because of it. There are worse things going on in this world.

Um, no, it does not go away if you hover over it again. The only way to get rid of it is restart windows or explorer (as some have mentioned here).

"Your system's not going to lose all of it's data because of it. There are worse things going on in this world."

Oh, so just because this does not destroy my data and there are worst thing things in the world I shouldn't care about the poor quality of the product. Great logic. Take your own advice and don't worry bout this thread, there are other threads for you to post your useless rubbish in.

Is this the same bug as this reported at technet forums back in February?

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums...11-a38a4e546de3

By the way, there are a number of taskbar "glitches" reported there.

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Search...Interface+Forum

Thanks for the links, lots of interesting posts there.

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Is this the same bug as this reported at technet forums back in February?

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums...11-a38a4e546de3

By the way, there are a number of taskbar "glitches" reported there.

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Search...Interface+Forum

From the first link, the microsoft moderator wrote that he could reproduce the problem and that he would forward this to his team. That post was from feb, the bug is still there in 7600 16385. Looks like it's unfixable.

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From the first link, the microsoft moderator wrote that he could reproduce the problem and that he would forward this to his team. That post was from feb, the bug is still there in 7600 16385. Looks like it's unfixable.

Just recreated that bug, this is actually something different to the problem reported in this thread. In that (technet forum) bug, only one icon stays highlighted if you move the cursor away, when you hover over other icons after initiating that bug their highlights disappear as normal but the original icon's highlight remains. Yet, even this bug is still in 7600 16385. I think the 2 bugs could be caused by the same fundamental flaw.

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Two computers, one with Ati X1600, can't recreate the problem, running the RC daily since its release. The other is on 24/7, rebooted like maybe 2-3 times since the RC was out, a Geforce 7600 GS and I haven't seen the bug there either. It's odd that some have seen it several times. My guess it's something locally on their machines, since I haven't experienced it at all.

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I don't get how it is annoying. Just hover your mouse back over it and it's gone...It's not like it's a big deal. Your system's not going to lose all of it's data because of it. There are worse things going on in this world.

Comparing apples and oranges now are we? You're basically comparing the worlds problems to a UI bug in a Microsoft OS.

Just because its a slight bug doesn't mean Microsoft shouldn't fix it, if they took this mind set then these small bugs would soon add up to be a huge problem and result in them having more bugs to fix in future versions.

If only microsoft had the same care with their product interface like apple...

Apple are smart in this sense, Microsoft still can't get it into there head that the UI is just as important as the software behind it. Changing five or six icons to have a completely different theme and leaving the rest unchanged is just example of Microsoft's halfassed approach and it annoys the hell out of me that a company so big could still have such glaring problems with there presentation.

That being said I still love Windows 7. :hug:

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Comparing apples and oranges now are we? You're basically comparing the worlds problems to a UI bug in a Microsoft OS.

Just because its a slight bug doesn't mean Microsoft shouldn't fix it, if they took this mind set then these small bugs would soon add up to be a huge problem and result in them having more bugs to fix in future versions.

Apple are smart in this sense, Microsoft still can't get it into there head that the UI is just as important as the software behind it. Changing five or six icons to have a completely different theme and leaving the rest unchanged is just example of Microsoft's halfassed approach and it annoys the hell out of me that a company so big could still have such glaring problems with there presentation.

That being said I still love Windows 7. :hug:

Agree on all points.

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Comparing apples and oranges now are we? You're basically comparing the worlds problems to a UI bug in a Microsoft OS.

Just because its a slight bug doesn't mean Microsoft shouldn't fix it, if they took this mind set then these small bugs would soon add up to be a huge problem and result in them having more bugs to fix in future versions.

Apple are smart in this sense, Microsoft still can't get it into there head that the UI is just as important as the software behind it. Changing five or six icons to have a completely different theme and leaving the rest unchanged is just example of Microsoft's halfassed approach and it annoys the hell out of me that a company so big could still have such glaring problems with there presentation.

That being said I still love Windows 7. :hug:

I don't know how big the coding force is at Apple or Microsoft, but I know MS spends a LOT of time trying to make their OS stable for and supporting the millions of different hardware configurations out there, whereas Apple only have a handful of them and therefor I suspect Apple can focus more on the UI and the integration of it. But I agree MS should try to focus more on its UIs as they can be inconsistent.

And as a thread side-note, a bug can be very hard to squash if it's almost impossible to reproduce, since you don't really know where to start in a more specific manner.

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Is this the same bug as this reported at technet forums back in February?

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums...11-a38a4e546de3

By the way, there are a number of taskbar "glitches" reported there.

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Search...Interface+Forum

Using those set of circumstances I am now able to reproduce this bug, but unlike some other people, I am able to make it go away merely by launching the application that it happens to then closing it down again, which makes the problem go away. A curious little visual bug for sure, but IMO hardly a showstopping problem

Comparing apples and oranges now are we? You're basically comparing the worlds problems to a UI bug in a Microsoft OS.

Just because its a slight bug doesn't mean Microsoft shouldn't fix it, if they took this mind set then these small bugs would soon add up to be a huge problem and result in them having more bugs to fix in future versions.

Apple are smart in this sense, Microsoft still can't get it into there head that the UI is just as important as the software behind it. Changing five or six icons to have a completely different theme and leaving the rest unchanged is just example of Microsoft's halfassed approach and it annoys the hell out of me that a company so big could still have such glaring problems with there presentation.

That being said I still love Windows 7. :hug:

I disagree, I believe Apple actually go down the route of trying to bloat their OS with eye candy, Microsoft have a good balance between looks and functionality, I love what they have done with 7.

To me, this bug is nothing more than a minor inconvenience. With RTM so close, I would like to hope Microsoft will fix it soon, someone needs to bring it to the attention of the Microsoft reps that have accounts on this forum

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Using those set of circumstances I am now able to reproduce this bug, but unlike some other people, I am able to make it go away merely by launching the application that it happens to then closing it down again, which makes the problem go away. A curious little visual bug for sure, but IMO hardly a showstopping problem

This issue is not what people are reporting in this thread.

The behavior at hand is that after prolonged usage, the taskbar will fail to register the cursor moving off of it - that is, hovering over icons in the taskbar, whether launched or not, produces the expected hover effect. Moving the mouse off of the taskbar leaves behind the hover effect (i.e. it persists though the mouse isn't there anymore). If you then mouse over a different portion of the taskbar, the hover effect jumps there. If you move the mouse off the taskbar again, it leaves the hover effect behind.

It may be easiest if someone who has the issue right now get a video capture of it. Use Media Encoder 9 from Microsoft. It is free, can capture sections of the screen, and is available in x86 and x64 versions.

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Using those set of circumstances I am now able to reproduce this bug, but unlike some other people, I am able to make it go away merely by launching the application that it happens to then closing it down again, which makes the problem go away. A curious little visual bug for sure, but IMO hardly a showstopping problem

As I wrote a few posts earlier, this appears to be a different bug. However it is possible that the 2 bugs are related and are caused by the same flaw.

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It has much more groundbreaking sleep/wakeup bug with auto-hide taskbar. Small UI glitch, is kinda "whatever", but if almost every time you get "frozen" desktop for random amount of time (it depends on how long monitors where in sleep mode), if you have auto-hide taskbar and no active window (or taskbar). Also this is not hardware/drivers related, because i have it at home on 2 laptops and 3 desktops with different configurations and also i saw others reporting same problem.

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It has much more groundbreaking sleep/wakeup bug with auto-hide taskbar. Small UI glitch, is kinda "whatever", but if almost every time you get "frozen" desktop for random amount of time (it depends on how long monitors where in sleep mode), if you have auto-hide taskbar and no active window (or taskbar). Also this is not hardware/drivers related, because i have it at home on 2 laptops and 3 desktops with different configurations and also i saw others reporting same problem.

With respect, please don't change the subject of this thread and make another topic if you need to discuss your issue. This thread is about a specific bug present in all builds up to and including the very latest 7600 16385. The cleaner this thread stays, the more likely someone from microsoft takes note of this issue and perhaps does something about it.

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It has much more groundbreaking sleep/wakeup bug with auto-hide taskbar. Small UI glitch, is kinda "whatever", but if almost every time you get "frozen" desktop for random amount of time (it depends on how long monitors where in sleep mode), if you have auto-hide taskbar and no active window (or taskbar). Also this is not hardware/drivers related, because i have it at home on 2 laptops and 3 desktops with different configurations and also i saw others reporting same problem.

can't understand why microsoft is going for RTM so fast when there is a hell lot of problem not fixed yet. i thought win7 would be the best ever windows but now i think it may not be the case.

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can't understand why microsoft is going for RTM so fast when there is a hell lot of problem not fixed yet. i thought win7 would be the best ever windows but now i think it may not be the case.

A "hell lot of problems not fixed yet"??? What problems? The taskbar "glitch" brought up in this thread is hardly going to be a show-stopper. It's

extremely minor in the grand scheme of things that can be considered a bug in any OS.

And still, as far as this "taskbar glitch" is concerned - I have 7100 RC (64 Bit) on two computers, this glitch does not exist. Two friends running later

builds also do not see this taskbar issue. It is not easily reproducible at all, and as such will probably languish until it effects more users. Meaning

I'd bet a "fix" won't occur until SP1.

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This issue is not what people are reporting in this thread.

The behavior at hand is that after prolonged usage, the taskbar will fail to register the cursor moving off of it - that is, hovering over icons in the taskbar, whether launched or not, produces the expected hover effect. Moving the mouse off of the taskbar leaves behind the hover effect (i.e. it persists though the mouse isn't there anymore). If you then mouse over a different portion of the taskbar, the hover effect jumps there. If you move the mouse off the taskbar again, it leaves the hover effect behind.

It may be easiest if someone who has the issue right now get a video capture of it. Use Media Encoder 9 from Microsoft. It is free, can capture sections of the screen, and is available in x86 and x64 versions.

I cannot comment, because I have never seen the other bug people are reporting, I can only replicate the bug listed on the Technet forums and for me it isn't a big deal.

As I wrote a few posts earlier, this appears to be a different bug. However it is possible that the 2 bugs are related and are caused by the same flaw.

Maybe, but as I stated I cannot comment as I have never came across the other issue.

It has much more groundbreaking sleep/wakeup bug with auto-hide taskbar. Small UI glitch, is kinda "whatever", but if almost every time you get "frozen" desktop for random amount of time (it depends on how long monitors where in sleep mode), if you have auto-hide taskbar and no active window (or taskbar). Also this is not hardware/drivers related, because i have it at home on 2 laptops and 3 desktops with different configurations and also i saw others reporting same problem.

Have you filed it?

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I got a video of the bug. Note how hover effects do not follow the mouse. Clicking on the desktop does not change the hover effect, i.e. it still looks like you're hovering over the taskbar even when it isn't focused. The WME taskbar icon is blinking in the video, but that isn't part of the issue. Also, taskbar window previews do not appear on hover as expected.

I'm running Windows 7 7100/x64. Uptime is five and a half days. I'd tried installing a new theme, but it failed because I forgot that I don't have a uxtheme patch. I installed the UxStyle service, which failed to work. I reverted to the default Aero theme and logged out. I then logged back in, tried changing the theme again (reverted to Classic, then to Aero), uninstalled the UxStyle service, and noticed the issue.

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