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Considering that Opera is the smallest, fastest and most secure browser, this is obviously nonsense. Also, he was referring to the company, not the browser. Nice one, spewing out more bigotry, though.

I said perhaps. I'm not him, so I don't know what he was thinking. I simply figured maybe his opinion of the company reflected the company's products. Still, fact remains that not too many cared to use Opera's browser in the past, before the anti-Opera crap developed. You're not going to use something that isn't simply a pleasure to use. While Opera 10 has improved on that, they've still got work to do if they want to measure up with the competition.

Also, proof of that? Last I checked, Chrome and Safari blew everyone out of the water in terms of speed. I'll download Opera 10 again later today and do some performance tests myself, as I'm always willing to give software another chance. How I gave Safari another chance after beta testing it initially on Windows is beyond me though. Thought I'd never touch it again...

Anyhow, it's apparent that Opera is your browser of choice. Just try not to foam too much at the mouth too much when others beg to differ.

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Who said anything about "world-changing"? You Microsoft cheerleaders are becoming more and more desperate by the second the way you always, with no exception, misrepresent people's comments. It's rather pathetic.

You did, by the way you seem to bring it up every 5 minutes.

No thanks to IE's lack of SVG support.

Hasn't stopped them from using it though. :)

I could say something to the effect of "Silly Opera Cheerleaders", but I won't stoop to your level.

XHTML

Most web browsers have mature support[16] for all of the possible XHTML media types.[17] The notable exception is Internet Explorer by Microsoft

SVG

As of 2009, all major Windows browsers have committed to some level of SVG support, except for Internet Explorer even as of version 8.

Silly browser.

I simply figured maybe his opinion of the company reflected the company's products.

:rolleyes:

Claiming that Opera is a bad product is just trolling.

Still, fact remains that not too many gave a flying **** about Opera's browser in the past, before the anti-Opera crap developed.

What "anti-Opera crap"? The "fact" you are presenting is bogus. The actual fact is that most people haven't even heard about Opera. How can you or can you not give a flying **** about something you don't know about?

While Opera 10 has improved on that, they've still got work to do if they want to measure up with the competition.

All browsers have their strengths and weaknesses. Opera measures up very well indeed in many areas.

Last I checked, Chrome and Safari blew everyone out of the water in terms of speed.

Yes, Chrome and Safari have very fast JavaScript engines. That's great. The problem is that JavaScript performance doesn't really affect real world sites to any great degree.

Someone measured how much CPU time is spent on handling JavaScript, and where the real bottlenecks were. JavaScript is at most about 10% of the total CPU time on the most advanced JavaScript pages that exist today. Most of the time it takes to show a page is spent on other things that won't benefit from extremely fast JavaScript engines.

I'll download Opera 10 again later today and do some performance tests myself, as I'm always willing to give software another chance.

If you are going to download it just to run SunSpider and the V8 benchmarks, you are going to be disappointed, because the new super-fast JS engine from Opera isn't going into Opera 10.0. Or so they say.

You should realize that SunSpider and the V8 benchmarks are just for marketing purposes. They specifically test for stuff like JIT. If the engine doesn't do those things, it won't be as fast on those tests. But that doesn't mean that overall JS performance is much worse (JIT and all that stuff does lead to a general increase in speed because those particular parts get so damn fast).

Anyhow, it's apparent that Opera is your browser of choice. Just try not to foam too much at the mouth too much when others beg to differ.

We're not just talking about "beg to differ", we're talking about trolling like "Opera sucks, that's why no one likes it" or things to that effect.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. For a W3C recommendation to be published, it requires actual implementations in browsers. And you ignored the part where I explained to you how Microsoft not implementing these standards holds back the web.

There is, because unless the market leader actively follows up on open standards, they don't have much of a chance of being used.

Your ignorance shines through again. Again, a W3C recommendation requires at least 2 implementations (or 3?) before it is published. Yes, that's right. Implementations are needed before they are "ratified".

I'm not going to bother verifying your claims, because standards shouldn't work this way. If W3C has such a policy then they need to change it because it is rather counterintuitive to have developers implement unfinalised standards, in the hope that it will be published unchanged. I don't see this as a MS problem, it's a W3C problem.

In any case, there are more than 2 other browsers that could ratify whatever (unfinished) standard that you're asking for. Given this, we are left with two logical possibilities: 1) that the standard isn't complete and can't be finalised, and hence isn't a standard (duh), and 2) that less than 2-3 browsers have implemented said standard (in which case they aren't any better than MS)

So what's your point?

I just want to know why no ones bitching about OSX/Safari or itunes/iPod yet. IMO they are the same if not worse then IE/Windows. Safari wont even let you change Search engines.

OMG you are so completely right.

I hate the iTunes/iPod monopoly & I'll be damned if I buy MGTEK's $20 one-yr. plug-in for WMP.

You did, by the way you seem to bring it up every 5 minutes.

Huh? I mentioned it ONCE, IIRC. The other times I mentioned it was after you started claiming that I talked about it all the time.

I'm not going to bother verifying your claims, because standards shouldn't work this way. If W3C has such a policy then they need to change it because it is rather counterintuitive to have developers implement unfinalised standards, in the hope that it will be published unchanged. I don't see this as a MS problem, it's a W3C problem.

You don't want it to be this way because it makes Microsoft look bad? Wow, I didn't see that one coming :D

:rolleyes:

Claiming that Opera is a bad product is just trolling.

Well, actually, it is a bad product. It's done funky things with touchpad drivers since the start of time, and has poor customisability (in terms of addons), and basically doesn't have anything noteable that any other browser doesn't have (i.e. Firefox has addons, IE has GP support + protected mode- IE8 is probably the most secure browser at the moment)

Not to mention the Windows Mobile version of Opera- it's actually terrible.

You don't want it to be this way because it makes Microsoft look bad? Wow, I didn't see that one coming :D

Really? Look bad in what way?

I mean, you know what happens when engineers implement standards before they become standard, right? Ever heard of "draft-n"?

I?m a 51 year old geezer who had been a computeraddict since 1981. Tested everything from Spectravideo MSX to my 4 PC machines i?ve have now. I don?t care what brand or name on my OS/browser aslong they fulfill my purpose. All of my machines have Linux Mint 7 plus Win 7 RC,Vista SP2 and XP SP3 on my weaker machines in dualboot. All of them have the 5 major browsers intstalled. Jump between them because all of them have their pros and cons. My point? We have a choice or are we all retards? We decide not MS,Mozilla,Opera,Google or Apple. Everyone with more than 2 braincells can make his own decicion.

Sorry about my bad english but i think everyone understand what im trying to say.

:rolleyes:

Claiming that Opera is a bad product is just trolling.

Um, people are entitled to their opinions. If he thought it wasn't great, then he thought it wasn't great. It's his opinion, which may reflect upon the company that created it.

What "anti-Opera crap"? The "fact" you are presenting is bogus. The actual fact is that most people haven't even heard about Opera. How can you or can you not give a flying **** about something you don't know about?

Yeah, edited my post on that one as it didn't make sense with the point I was trying to make. What I meant was, the people who have tried it, didn't seem to care for it exactly. It has its pros and cons, but apparently, the cons being a nasty UI and various other personal feelings about the browser and how it works in general have kept them from using it.

All browsers have their strengths and weaknesses. Opera measures up very well indeed in many areas.

Right, and my point is that the areas it is weak are currently affecting the actual USE of the browser. Hell, I even commented positively on Opera 10 before. Yet, my personal problem with it is that they don't seem to have any plans for addons (at least, not any that I've seen or heard about). I don't expect browsers to be exactly the same from one to the other, but there are certain features which I honestly feel should be standard. Those features can easily be seen throughout as the developers themselves copy one another, or third parties develop those similar features. IE8 lacks a download manager, Opera lacks addons. (off the top of my head)

Yes, Chrome and Safari have very fast JavaScript engines. That's great. The problem is that JavaScript performance doesn't really affect real world sites to any great degree.

Someone measured how much CPU time is spent on handling JavaScript, and where the real bottlenecks were. JavaScript is at most about 10% of the total CPU time on the most advanced JavaScript pages that exist today. Most of the time it takes to show a page is spent on other things that won't benefit from extremely fast JavaScript engines.

If you are going to download it just to run SunSpider and the V8 benchmarks, you are going to be disappointed, because the new super-fast JS engine from Opera isn't going into Opera 10.0. Or so they say.

You should realize that SunSpider and the V8 benchmarks are just for marketing purposes. They specifically test for stuff like JIT. If the engine doesn't do those things, it won't be as fast on those tests. But that doesn't mean that overall JS performance is much worse (JIT and all that stuff does lead to a general increase in speed because those particular parts get so damn fast).

Well, I'm not about to use Opera 9, that's for sure. Anyhow, what exactly would you suggest in terms of measuring performance? Err, actually, now that I think about it, I find this questionable that I'd even ask this. My big problem with performance tests is that they cannot measure the amount of time you save simply with unique features found only on certain browsers. The main reason I use Firefox is because of the addons. It doesn't matter how much faster Chrome or Opera could be for me (so long as it's within reason), but that the addons I use make small (and large) tasks that much easier. You simply can't measure that...

We're not just talking about "beg to differ", we're talking about trolling like "Opera sucks, that's why no one likes it" or things to that effect.

Right, as I said before, everyone was just soooo full of enthusiasm about the browser before. Honestly, you need to get around more and figure out what it is about Opera that people don't like. There's obviously got to be a reason no one bothers to use it on their desktop. So what if they're in a positive direction with web standards and so forth? If people don't enjoy using the product, what's the point?

It shouldn't be, "Oh, let's use this browser because it follows standards more than anyone else, despite not being all that great!" It should be, "Hey, let's use this browser because it kicks ass! And it's also the leader when it comes to being a fully standard compliant browser! :woot: "

Okay, maybe less prozac on the last part, but you catch my drift. Opera needs to focus on their actual... what the hell... I'm using Opera 10 to post this, and hitting ctrl+z starts making me back up one letter at a time. Ugh. I'll keep using this for a few days to see if maybe, just maybe, I can actually take it seriously in terms of use. Lack of customization doesn't seem appealing, but I'm still letting it slide. (too much bulk)

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Huh? I mentioned it ONCE, IIRC. The other times I mentioned it was after you started claiming that I talked about it all the time.

I'm not just talking about this thread, in past threads every time the discussion about IE8's HTML4 and CSS2.1 support comes up your next reply inevitably mentions SVG.

Your ignorance shines through again. Again, a W3C recommendation requires at least 2 implementations (or 3?) before it is published. Yes, that's right. Implementations are needed before they are "ratified".

Again, link to proof? Theres no requirement that a standard be implemented before hand. Its preferable for testing purposes. CSS 2 was released well before everyone begin to implement all of the accessibility parts of the spec.

Are you really this thick or are you just trolling?

And no, I'm not a Microsoft cheerleader, I'm a big Firefox fan, but as a Web Developer I do know that IE 8 is perfect.

Again, proof or stop derailing this thread.

We can't be both right now can we??:laugh::

Indeed, because its scientifically impossible for me to be wrong.:))

Ok, apart from having ActiveX support, IE 8 is perfect.:pp

You don't see much ActiveX though these days, which is a good thing.:))

Indeed, because its scientifically impossible for me to be wrong. :)

Ok, apart from having ActiveX support, IE 8 is perfect. :p

You don't see much ActiveX though these days, which is a good thing. :)

tell that to my bank?:angry:: Can't even login on my cellphone.?

Well, actually, it is a bad product. It's done funky things with touchpad drivers since the start of time, and has poor customisability (in terms of addons), and basically doesn't have anything noteable that any other browser doesn't have (i.e. Firefox has addons, IE has GP support + protected mode- IE8 is probably the most secure browser at the moment)

So because of some problem you have had personally and because you personally don't like it, no one else likes it either? Amazing logic.

Firefox doesn't have something other browsers don't.

Chrome doesn't have something other browsers don't.

Safari doesn't have something other browsers don't.

IE doesn't have something other browsers don't.

Your point being?

Opera is very customizable indeed. For example, there's no need to restart it to apply stuff. Also, features are actually integrated into the browser, which means that you get a complete and integrated package instead randomly bolting on third-party software which doesn't even integrate properly.

BTW, Opera has Opera Turbo. No one else has that.

But all of this is besides the point. I don't give a **** if you like it or not. The problem is that you are pretending that your personal opinion represents everyone else's.

Not to mention the Windows Mobile version of Opera- it's actually terrible.

Nah. Opera Mobile 9.7 with Turbo is just great. No skyrocketing bills, and extremely fast because of the compression. But I'm sure you hate it, and that's fine. Just stop the trolling here, and stop pretending that your personal problems represent eveyone else. This thread is not called "do you like Opera or not". In fact, it's a thread about a long list of complaints from Mozilla!

Really? Look bad in what way?

They aren't following the normal processes, so you want the processes to change instead of Microsoft doing the right thing. Quite pathetic.

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Um, people are entitled to their opinions. If he thought it wasn't great, then he thought it wasn't great. It's his opinion, which may reflect upon the company that created it.

Except it wasn't presented as someone's personal opinion. It was presented as if everyone thought so. And that is just trolling.

What I meant was, the people who have tried it, didn't seem to care for it exactly.

How do you know? The user base has more than doubled in less than 2 years, so clearly quite a few people seem to like it.

It has its pros and cons, but apparently, the cons being a nasty UI and various other personal feelings about the browser and how it works in general have kept them from using it.

More trolling. "I don't like the UI, and I represent everyone else." How about you stop it with these silly comments?

Right, and my point is that the areas it is weak are currently affecting the actual USE of the browser.

Maybe you think that. But that's irrelevant. You do not represent everyone else. Making these general statements based on your own bias against Opera is just trolling.

Anyhow, what exactly would you suggest in terms of measuring performance? Err, actually, now that I think about it, I find this questionable that I'd even ask this. My big problem with performance tests is that they cannot measure the amount of time you save simply with unique features found only on certain browsers.

Exactly. There's more to speed than rendering time. The user interface is very important here, and Opera has the most responsive user interface out there. It always responds immediately, whereas other browsers lag slightly, e.g., when opening a new tab. If you haven't used Opera before you probably won't notice it. But if you have, you definitely will notice just how fast Opera's UI is compared to the rest.

Right, as I said before, everyone was just soooo full of enthusiasm about the browser before.

What on earth are you going on about? "Everyone"?

Honestly, you need to get around more and figure out what it is about Opera that people don't like.

Here we go, more trolling. Now you are just getting childish. Maybe YOU don't like Opera, but that doesn't mean that you represent everyone else.

There's obviously got to be a reason no one bothers to use it on their desktop.

Uh, Opera reached more than 40 million users on the desktop a few months ago, and the user base more than doubled in less than 2 years. Clearly, a lot of people DO start using it. Soo again, stop trolling.

And remember, most people haven't even HEARD about Opera, but you ignored that part and went on with your trolling instead.

It shouldn't be, "Oh, let's use this browser because it follows standards more than anyone else, despite not being all that great!" It should be, "Hey, let's use this browser because it kicks ass!

Sigh. This is getting pathetic. This is about the COMPANY, which pushes standards. Whether the browser is great or not is a subjective thing. And my point was not "use Opera because it's standards compliant". It was completely unrelated to whether you should be using it or not. Please pay attention.

Lack of customization doesn't seem appealing, but I'm still letting it slide. (too much bulk)

That's interesting, because Opera has a clean UI by default, and I won't even mention the fact that it's a smaller download than all the other browsers. So if you want to talk about BULK, look at the browsers with LESS functionality which somehow manage to be much bigger than Opera! Quite amazing, don't you think?

I'm not just talking about this thread, in past threads every time the discussion about IE8's HTML4 and CSS2.1 support comes up your next reply inevitably mentions SVG.

Really? Links, please! Also, why would one NOT mention SVG? It's a very good example of a standard not supported by IE. Just because SVG destroys your illusion that IE is amazingly standards compliant doesn't mean that it's an invalid example.

Really? Links, please! Also, why would one NOT mention SVG? It's a very good example of a standard not supported by IE. Just because SVG destroys your illusion that IE is amazingly standards compliant doesn't mean that it's an invalid example.

A bit like IE8's support of HTML4 and CSS2.1 destroys your illusion of Microsoft being some sort of baby-molesting behemoth that supports nothing? You're hilarious. :rolleyes:

Just take a look at your post history, as you only ever seem to comment on topics like these. (Aka, Involving Opera)

And for a browser that doesn't support XHTML and your precious SVG, it hasn't exactly prevented use of either now has it? Especially not the former.

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Sorry, ralphie, but I couldn't even take the time to stomach your post this time. I merely glanced through it and you know what I saw? Someone who's out of touch with people. Amazing that you're on a public forum to have discussions with other people, but none of their opinions matter. We're supposed to use what you think is "the right choice" and totally disregard our own personal likes and dislikes. You know what that is? It's bull****.

It's not trolling to have an opinion. It's trolling to say a product sucks without even giving it the time of day. Hell, I've constantly tried to like Opera, IE7 (before 8), Chrome, Safari and a few lesser known browsers. I'm sitting here posting on this browser though (Opera 10)... and you know what? I probably shouldn't be. Even if I sat here for a week, used it, and posted a list of my likes and dislikes, you know what would happen? You'd probably just tell me that I'm wrong anyway. Even if I LIKED it and ended up using it, any dislikes I have would have would simply get thrown out the window.

You're beyond a simple software user. You're completely blind to the Opera as a company, and anything negative said about the company is simply "trolling". I admired the fact that you took time to help people understand their misguided opinions, including my own. Yes, I admit to being wrong. Still, just as well, you disappoint me in the fact that you can easily be so foolish and close minded yourself.

Seeing Microsoft cheerleaders running in circles is amusing, but not very useful. Empty claims from Microsoft are useless.

You are calling Softpedia a Microsoft cheerleader? Jesus, your ignorance doesn't know any limits, does it?

Also, proof of that? Last I checked, Chrome and Safari blew everyone out of the water in terms of speed. I'll download Opera 10 again later today and do some performance tests myself, as I'm always willing to give software another chance. How I gave Safari another chance after beta testing it initially on Windows is beyond me though. Thought I'd never touch it again...

In testing, yes. In real world usage, I haven't found Safari and Chrome to be any better than Opera and Firefox

You don't want it to be this way because it makes Microsoft look bad? Wow, I didn't see that one coming :D

No, it is because it makes absolutely no sense. If a major product like IE goes into production, with an incomplete standard implementation in it, then it is changed at the last moment, it will cause issues for users. It's a simple premise really, why do you have such trouble grasping it?

You're beyond a simple software user. You're completely blind to the Opera as a company, and anything negative said about the company is simply "trolling". I admired the fact that you took time to help people understand their misguided opinions, including my own. Yes, I admit to being wrong. Still, just as well, you disappoint me in the fact that you can easily be so foolish and close minded yourself.

Well Said

BTW, Opera has Opera Turbo. No one else has that.

But all of this is besides the point. I don't give a **** if you like it or not. The problem is that you are pretending that your personal opinion represents everyone else's.

Nah. Opera Mobile 9.7 with Turbo is just great. No skyrocketing bills, and extremely fast because of the compression. But I'm sure you hate it, and that's fine. Just stop the trolling here, and stop pretending that your personal problems represent eveyone else. This thread is not called "do you like Opera or not". In fact, it's a thread about a long list of complaints from Mozilla!

They aren't following the normal processes, so you want the processes to change instead of Microsoft doing the right thing. Quite pathetic.

Opera Turbo is really slow for me. And it doesn't support file downloads while it's on, not even a passthrough. (wtf!)

Somehow, I think the moment that you leave this thread, we'll all stop talking about Opera.

You are obviously lying. Quite pathetic.

I don't like you at all and I said I wasn't going to respond to you again but I really don't like to be called a liar. Can you prove I'm lying? If so, I'd be happy to see that.

My story is true. I'm sorry if you don't believe me. I do know few Opera employees who are actually very nice. Some not so nice. That's like any company, I guess. Overall, I find them not so nice. I do have a friend who actually worked there at one time. I had some inside info for a while. I sure miss that. Sigh. I guess you will misquote all of this.

For the record, I use Linux mostly and I dislike Microsoft immensely. They have done a bunch of evil things in their time and they do hold the web back and they have broken the law in doing so. I live in the US and I really don't give a damn about what happens in Europe. You guys can make Microsoft strip Windows down to it's socks if you want. It still won't change how I feel about Opera and their software.

I'm going back to ignoring you if I can.

Apple is not a monopoly.

It shouldn't matter. If Microsoft is doing the same thing as its competition in the OS market, Apple, its being competitive, not anti-competitive. When a judge makes a ruling on anti-trust law, he has to make a judgment on whether the monopoly's behavior is in nature about simply keeping up with competitors or destroying competition. That's why if , for example, Ford had a near monopoly like Microsoft, it would probably not be considered anti-competitive for them to make their own car radios. Its also why its not considered anti-competitive that Microsoft includes Notepad in Windows. In the original US case about IE, Microsoft was only found guilty of abusive behavior because the judge was convinced by internal e-mails that the strategy to include IE was about destroying Netscape. However, the fact that every OS in existence now includes a browser should show people something else was going on.

And getting beyond the law, to common sense, It's illogical to say it's not a problem if Apple does it but its a problem if Microsoft does it just because they have higher market share. If Apple had 50% market share and Microsoft had 50% market share and both of them included their own browser, would it be perfectly legal for both of them? I hope so! 90% vs 10% shouldn't change anything on this issue. And what if Microsoft not including a browser or a media player or anything else harms its market position and that leads Apple to become a monopoly. Do we wait until then that to say its wrong for Apple to do it?

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An etched DuRoBo logo sits below the cylinder, and it is the only piece of branding you can find on the device. Overall, the design and materials are very unassuming, but the cylinder with additional control elements certainly elevates the look and makes it more interesting. Other physical elements include two microphones (one on the top edge and one on the bottom edge), a USB Type-C port, a volume rocker, and a single mono speaker. There is no fingerprint reader, so if you want to protect your device, a PIN is your only option. The official TPU case is not the most premium-looking Display The Krono has a 6.1-inch E-Ink Carta 1200 touchscreen display with a resolution of 1,648 x 824 pixels (300 ppi). The display is front-lit, and you can adjust the brightness and temperature from cool to warm. Unfortunately, the Krono lacks automatic brightness and temperature adjustments, and you cannot set a custom schedule for the frontlight. However, you can set it to always enable frontlight so that you can see what is happening on the screen when turning it on in a dark environment. On the bright side (get it?), the front light can get extremely dim so that the screen is barely readable in a pitch-dark room. The front light is also uniform across the screen, with no noticeable temperature gradients. I am very susceptible to uneven front light, and it is very easy for me to notice it, but the Krono is doing a very good job in this area. I also like that the edge shadow is not very prominent and barely visible in the black variant. E-Ink Carta 1200 is not the newest generation (there are Carta 1250 and 1300), but it is still a good display. It supports three modes: Clarity, Speed, and Quality. In Clarity mode, text is very sharp and easy to read, but you trade that for more ghosting, a slower refresh rate, and more artifacts when the display changes images. Speed mode, as the name suggests, boosts refresh rate and reduces ghosting, but fine print and text become more jagged. Finally, Quality mode is only available in Android apps. It has the lowest refresh rate, but in return, you get much better visuals, improved gradients, and more. Like brightness and temperature, you can toggle modes from the control center. It is available when swiping from the top-right corner of the screen (the top-left is for notifications). I also like that the Krono can work as a desk clock when not in use. It has a bunch of screensavers, including horizontal clocks with time, date, and current battery level. The screen refreshes once per minute, and battery drain is extremely low (not even 1% in 24 hours). It is a great use of the technology, and another thing I wish more e-ink devices featured. Smart Dial The Smart Dial is Krono's main party trick. It sits on the left side of the device and serves multiple purposes. You can twist or press it to perform various actions, depending on the current use case scenario. When reading books, twisting the dial flips through pages, and pressing it refreshes the screen. On the home screen, the dial adjusts the brightness, and holding the dial pressed launches voice note recording. Finally, a quick double press launches the DuRoBo AI chatbot. While the dial scroll is not notched, it is very smooth and has haptic feedback that confirms your actions, which feels very nice. As a long-term Apple Watch user, I love the idea behind the dial. It feels very natural and oddly satisfying to use, especially with that subtle haptic feedback. I never liked flipping pages with touch input, and I strongly believe each e-reader should come with some sort of physical controls for turning pages. The Krono has both volume buttons (which also work as page turners) and the dial, so you are free to use whichever you prefer. With that said, the dial is not perfect. For one, it sticks out of the case way too far for my liking, raising concerns about durability and longevity when carrying the Krono around in a pocket (it is a pocket-sized device after all). Also, it has too much wobble, which cheapens the experience and makes it feel a bit flimsy and unsecured. While there are two plastic guards on the Krono's case, they are way too small for any kind of protection. I also think DuRoBo should let users customize dial actions (the only available customization is scroll direction), particularly for long and double presses. Not everyone needs voice notes, and DuRoBo AI does not work without an active internet connection, leaving the long press essentially useless when offline. I do not mind these features, and I genuinely think they are useful, but I would rather have the ability to toggle between screen modes, turn the frontlight on/off, or launch my favorite app. I also agree with people on Reddit asking developers to let users adjust the dial sensitivity. I hope this is something DuRoBo can implement with a software update to make the experience more personalized (it is a Smart Dial, after all) and incentivize users to fiddle with the Dial more often. The Dial is a fantastic idea, so please, guys, improve it a little. As for ergonomics, they are mostly fine, but the dial's position may feel a little awkward and way too high. When I use a phone or a phone-sized gadget, I tend to rest one of its corners on my palm for a more secure grip. With the Krono, such a grip is impossible because you cannot reach the dial even with big hands. You have to lower the reader a bit and hold it like a bottle without any extra support for the bottom edge. Such a grip is not necessarily uncomfortable (the Krono is also light enough for it), but it requires a bit of muscle retraining. Sometimes, I do not bother with the dial and hold the Krono like my phone, flipping through pages with volume buttons, as they are perfectly positioned for my right-hand thumb. Interestingly, when testing the Krono, I would often find myself thinking that a roller embedded in the long plastic cylinder on the back of the device would have been a much more comfortable solution. There is a free idea for you, guys. Software The Krono runs Android 15 with a very minimal launcher on top. The home screen presents you with a list of apps, a scrollable list of widgets, and your user profile. Widgets can display time, calendar, or recent books for quick access. You can also add or remove apps from the home screen to keep the most useful stuff around without tapping "Apps." I like this minimalistic approach; it looks clean, easy to understand, and light. I understand that some may find the list of all apps way too clean, but fortunately, DuRoBo lets you switch to traditional icons. The reader also has a bunch of preinstalled apps: Read: The default app for reading. Browser: A Chromium-based browser. Files: A simple file manager. Music: A simple music player. Spark: A voice recorder with transcription support and AI summarization DuRoBo AI: A built-in AI chatbot. Transfer: An app for file transfer over Wi-Fi. If that is not enough, there is the Google Play Store, where you can download all the extra apps you need, alternative readers, podcast apps, chatbots, and more. DuRoBo is not trying to give you an all-in-one device. The standard software experience is quite minimal, which makes it easy to approach and learn. The standard reader supports EPUB, EPUB3, AZW3, MOBI, PDF, TXT, DOC, and DOCX, which is more than enough to let you read most books without third-party software. As for customizing the reading experience, you can select one of five built-in fonts, adjust size and thickness, adjust margins and spacing (only three variants for each), change text alignment and direction, toggle the reading status bar, and switch to dark mode. There is also text-to-speech, which utilizes Android's default TTS tech. While I like the simplistic approach, I cannot help but feel DuRoBo could have made the built-in reader a bit more customizable. However, I am not going to bog down on this, as you can always install any other reader you prefer using the Play Store or by sideloading an APK. Getting books to the Krono is very simple. Given that the device is an Android smartphone without cellular connectivity, you can transfer files via a USB Type-C cable, download them using the built-in browser, share them over Bluetooth, or use cloud storage. My favorite was the built-in Transfer app. It is simple, reliable, and very well-designed. I was surprised by how well-designed the web portal is. It is fast, pretty, and properly categorized. Well done! Once you have your books loaded, you can highlight or underline text, add annotations, bookmark pages, check the table of contents, and ask AI about the selected text. Unfortunately, the Krono has no built-in vocabulary, but again, that is something a third-party reader could fix. Overall, the built-in reader is light and snappy, with just the minimum amount of features for a regular user to enjoy reading books. The Krono has no built-in reading tracking, so stat nerds will have to look for third-party reading apps. However, you can set a daily reading goal, and the reader will notify you when you reach it (for example, one hour). You can also set a reminder to read at a certain time, and when the time comes, the Krono will light up its back LEDs and unlock itself to nudge you. Other than that, the rear LEDs do nothing, not even showing charging progress, which is an unfortunate misopportunity if you ask me. Quirks aside, Krono's Android runs quite snappily and bug-free. Early reviews of the Krono criticized its Android 13-based software quite a lot, but now, the reader runs Android 15, and its software has fixed plenty of initial complaints. I never experienced any issues with built-in apps. AI attempts The DuRoBo Krono comes with a built-in AI chatbot. There is no information on what model powers this thing, but the system says it was "trained by Google." You can launch the bot from the app list or by double-pressing the dial. It works just like any other chatbot, and you can ask it anything by typing or using voice input. The AI saves your chats, and you can rename, export, or delete them. DuRoBo AI requires an active internet connection, and it does not work offline. Its reach and capabilities are also limited. You can only chat in the app and use it in the reader app as a makeshift vocabulary. However, the implementation is kinda awkward. You can only send a selected portion of text to AI without giving it any requests or instructions. I highlighted the word "dumb," and it apologized to me for not being useful. You also cannot ask follow-up questions or send the generated response to a separate chat. The chatbot is also slow, even with fast Wi-Fi, making the overall experience quite frustrating, which makes me again wish for the ability to remap the double press to something else. Spark, the standard voice recording app, also uses AI for note summarization and transcribing. Neither feature works offline, unfortunately. Spark records notes up to 30 minutes using Krono's dual microphones, and you can rename or export notes. Transcription quality is decent, and the speed is alright, but you can find much better solutions in the Google Play Store. What I like about Spark is that transcribed notes are not locked, and you can always type more to elaborate on your ideas, which is handy. Overall, I like that the Krono is not shoving AI down my throat, but to be honest, there is really not that much to shove. AI features here feel raw and need improvements to be more useful. Battery Life Like most E-Ink readers, the Krono has fantastic battery life. Even with a clock as a screensaver, its standby power consumption is incredibly low. And when in use, you can get weeks of reading on a single charge. Without the front light, my unit never sipped more than one or two percent of battery during a one-hour reading session. It was nice to see plenty of battery-related settings. You can limit charging at 80% to protect battery health long-term, check the number of charging cycles, manufacturing/first-time use date, battery health, and the maximum capacity. Additionally, the Krono lets you select what hardware remains enabled when sleeping. This lets you keep Wi-Fi and Bluetooth on (say, if you want to receive notifications, for some reason) and keep audio playing when locked. Turning these features off effectively eliminates any standby battery drain. I left my Krono sitting for 24 hours with a clock screensaver on, and it did not drop a single percent. The pretty big 3,950 mAh battery justifies the device's thickness and ensures you do not have to charge it for long periods. Speaking of charging, it is capped at only 10W, which is a bit disappointing, as getting such a big battery to 100% takes a notably long time in the era of super-fast charging smartphones. DuRoBo Moodi The Moodi is a standalone, optional accessory for your Krono. It is a wireless remote with two customizable buttons that you can use to flip pages, control media, or scroll webpages. The accessory connects via Bluetooth. Despite having a built-in rechargeable battery, it is extremely light. While the Moodi's shape and form factor is not what I would call particularly ergonomic, it is not uncomfortable to hold and use. The Moodi comes with six removable magnetic buttons with various smiley faces. Buttons sit securely, and they have nice-feeling, albeit a little loud, clicks. It is a cute touch that adds a little more fun and character to the device. There is also an accented power button and a single status LED. The latter displays charging status and connection mode. The Moodi supports three modes: Reading: Buttons work as volume buttons, allowing you to flip pages in the built-in reader or other apps that support page turning with volume buttons. Media: Buttons work as skip forward/backward, which is useful when listening to audiobooks, podcasts, or music. Scroll: The third mode lets you scroll pages in the web browser or any other application The Krono properly detects the Moodi and presents you with an on-screen guide when you connect it for the first time (it also displays the battery level). However, you can only change modes by holding both buttons for a few seconds. It is also worth noting that the Moodi works with other devices. I connected it to my iPhone and it let me adjust volume or control media playback. Sadly, the scroll did not work, so you cannot use it to waste time scrolling TikToks. Overall, the Moodi is a cute little accessory, which I can recommend for those who read a lot. It is very useful for remote page flipping when you do not want to burden your hands by holding the Krono all the time. I only wish DuRoBo included a lanyard for the built-in loop. As for the battery life, after using the Moodi for a few days, I only managed to drop several percent of its 90 mAh battery. Despite the small size, it is rated for weeks of use, which is pretty impressive. At $35.99, I cannot say the Moodi is a must-have accessory, but I see the appeal. I prefer using the Krono with its Smart Dial, as I rarely read for more than 40-60 minutes in one sitting. However, if you have a stand and like reading for long periods, the Moodi is the right thing to have. It is a bit more expensive than regular page flippers on Amazon, but it is on par with similar products from Kobo or BOOX. Plus, it has a little more fun to it with removable buttons and better integration into the Krono. Conclusion At the end of the day, DuRoBo Krono is a nice pocket-sized e-reader. Its software focuses on the main things without trying to be everything at once. The smart dial idea is unique and great, and I wish more manufacturers had something similar in their devices. The display is also good, with an even frontlight and "always-on" support. I did not notice any deal-breaking issues with the Krono. However, you can feel that the idea needs some improvements, such as a slightly stiffer dial in a more ergonomic location, perhaps a little more premium materials, and better software customization. I hope the company won't give up on the idea and improve the dial and ergonomics in the second generation. Buy DuRoBo Krono Black - $279.99 on Amazon Buy DuRoBo Krono White - $279.99 on Amazon Buy DuRoBo Moodi - $35.99 on Amazon As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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