Bugatti Veyron in a Lake

[what]

[offtopic]

No, but that's what they are trying to show.

What they have there is a 8.0L quad turbo car - which seems like overkill (the quad turbo actually)

Only thing that excites me about the veyron is it's brakes and braking system, which is state of the art indeed.

Other than that, I would get an Enzo or an F1.

My point is that Bugatti cares more to show they broke the 1000HP barrier than pure performance - lap times of the veyron prove that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_FXX_Evoluzione

This yes! This is a great achievement. Close to Bugatti from a smaller, NA engine.

Probably not road-legal though.

edit : and let's not hate Toyota, they were the ones in F1 not Bugatti or VW.

[/offtopic]

I don't think this is totally off-topic. There's only so much you can say about a car in a lake :p

The difference is that the Veyron is a comfortable GT cruiser with an automatic gearbox, as well as being a hugely quick car in general. The FXX would probably be far more exciting to drive if you had the skill to push it to the limit, but it isn't road-legal, there's no interior, the chassis is very stiff and a lot of the performance comes from the fact it uses slick tyres. The tuned Supras and Vipers in the world are the same, albeit road legal. You wouldn't want to go on a cross-continental road trip in one, but a Veyron would eat up the miles. The technical exercise isn't about getting 1000BHP from a road-legal car, but about making that power manageable for a driver of any skill level in a car you could actually use every day. VW did something similar with the Phaeton - VWs chief executive came out with a list of things it had to be capable of, which meant a massive development budget, but also meant they had a brilliant car at the end of it. Power isn't the be-all and end-all, it's the total package they were after with the Veyron. If it's speed and track performance you're after, take a look at the latest Ariel Atom, which has nearly 1000BHP/ton, against the Veyron's 500-and-something.

[DrewJW]

Owned.

[gian]

I don't think this is totally off-topic. There's only so much you can say about a car in a lake :p

The difference is that the Veyron is a comfortable GT cruiser with an automatic gearbox, as well as being a hugely quick car in general. The FXX would probably be far more exciting to drive if you had the skill to push it to the limit, but it isn't road-legal, there's no interior, the chassis is very stiff and a lot of the performance comes from the fact it uses slick tyres. The tuned Supras and Vipers in the world are the same, albeit road legal. You wouldn't want to go on a cross-continental road trip in one, but a Veyron would eat up the miles. The technical exercise isn't about getting 1000BHP from a road-legal car, but about making that power manageable for a driver of any skill level in a car you could actually use every day. VW did something similar with the Phaeton - VWs chief executive came out with a list of things it had to be capable of, which meant a massive development budget, but also meant they had a brilliant car at the end of it. Power isn't the be-all and end-all, it's the total package they were after with the Veyron. If it's speed and track performance you're after, take a look at the latest Ariel Atom, which has nearly 1000BHP/ton, against the Veyron's 500-and-something.

I agree with all these (well I doubt you can go on a cross-continental road trip with the Veyron as it literally drinks the fuel!) but I think when they started designing the Veyron the number 1 on the list was the Engine. The veyron may have all the gadgets and tricks in the world (and sure it is very drivable and comfortable) but if it didn't have the 1000HP under the hood, most people would say it's heavy and crap (like with Cayenne Turbo or X5M/X6M).

As a fan of motorsport and engineering (well I am going to the CS field but still) what excites me is :

- High Revving NA engines (screaming at 9.000 RPM is great) with the maximum output possible from the smallest displacement. It shows that some real work has gone in to this. For me it's overkill to quad-turbo the veyron but they probably did it for consumption/emissions and mostly to say they did a quad turbo system (people get excited over turbo because the words make you believe that it's much faster than a NA engine).

- Lightweight constructions, carbon fiber and doing some serious thinking in reducing the weight.

That said, yes VW and Bugatti got what they wanted from the Veyron (which of course is a great car and I wouldn't say no to donations from ###### :p) but well from the engineering point of view it doesn't excite me that much.

[The_Wizard]

He's not anonymous... this actually happened near where I live :D

His name is Andy House; his business, get this, is quite ironic - he owns a shop that specializes in restoring wrecked exotics.

Such as Bugatti Veyron's with water damage

[xcguy87]

Is this it actually falling in: video?

I saw that on epic fail like two minutes before I saw this thread lol.

[Snakehn]

Is this it actually falling in: video?

I saw that on epic fail like two minutes before I saw this thread lol.

Ohh Sh$%$^^^%$#$#!!

[neufuse Veteran]

for a car that gets 8 MPG city, 13MPG Highway and at top speed uses 1.3 Gal/min the car deserves to be in salt water..... they made what 200 of them? and they sell for a million+? what a waste of money

[rathefeare]

And whats wrong with toyota ?

They make boring cars. They used to make exciting sports cars; Supra, Celica, MR2, but they killed their own lines. They are worse than boring. They are traitors to the sports car.

[Snakehn]

for a car that gets 8 MPG city, 13MPG Highway and at top speed uses 1.3 Gal/min the car deserves to be in salt water..... they made what 200 of them? and they sell for a million+? what a waste of money

I think that regardless of the maker of the car or the speed or anything, is a million dollars car, and what kind of idiot would land into a lake with it???

[revvo]

good job VW, I am sure those guys with 1500HP supra's showed what you want some years ago and apparently didn't waste millions.

One phrase: There is no replacement for displacement.

Yeah, you can boost those 2JZ-GTEs and RB26DETTs to over 1000HP, but you still won't reach 253mph. Even then, those i6s won't last long with that much boost, requiring you to rebuild the engine every once in a while.

They make boring cars. They used to make exciting sports cars; Supra, Celica, MR2, but they killed their own lines. They are worse than boring. They are traitors to the sports car.

Until recently, I would agree, but Toyota finally got some sense smacked into them with the upcoming FT86 and LF-A.

[rathefeare]

Until recently, I would agree, but Toyota finally got some sense smacked into them with the upcoming FT86 and LF-A.

I will maintain my disgust with Toyota until they actually start producing them and as an actual sports car too. I have been "bait and switched" before by manufactures and their claims on concept cars. Concepts that don't often make it to production and when they do they bear little resemblance to the exciting concepts.

Besides while it might be a sports car, the LFA at 350,000 dollars and a limited production run is a poor substitute for Toyota's previous sports car lines. I have more hope for the FT-86 if it can make it to market without bloat or a shift towards family friendly. Priced in the low 20's it would be closer to previous Toyota sports cars. Part of the allure of Toyota's sports car line was they offered exceptional performance for the money.

[_neutrino Veteran]

i saw this and my honest first thought was that they must have been Texting or using a cell phone or something. or changing the station on the radio.

[gian]

One phrase: There is no replacement for displacement.

Yeah, you can boost those 2JZ-GTEs and RB26DETTs to over 1000HP, but you still won't reach 253mph. Even then, those i6s won't last long with that much boost, requiring you to rebuild the engine every once in a while.

Careful now we are talking about a car with 4 turbos :p

I agree with the statement. I believe you can probably squeeze out 1000 HP from a 8.0L NA, I don't know at what cost, emissions, consumption and mainly strain on the engine (and noise also). But well that's why it costs that much, to solve all these..

[revvo]

I will maintain my disgust with Toyota until they actually start producing them and as an actual sports car too. I have been "bait and switched" before by manufactures and their claims on concept cars. Concepts that don't often make it to production and when they do they bear little resemblance to the exciting concepts.

Yeah, I'm tired of seeing great concept cars getting killed too early, but Toyota seems to be sticking with this one especially because Subaru will also have their version AWD version of the "Toyobura".

Careful now we are talking about a car with 4 turbos :p

I agree with the statement. I believe you can probably squeeze out 1000 HP from a 8.0L NA, I don't know at what cost, emissions, consumption and mainly strain on the engine (and noise also). But well that's why it costs that much, to solve all these..

Yeah, it has 4 turbo's, and most probably you have 2 kicking in the low RPM range and the other 2 in the higher range to avoid minimize lag. The fastest NA is the McLaren F1's V12, so 1000hp is a bit tricky with what we know now :\

[gian]

Yeah, it has 4 turbo's, and most probably you have 2 kicking in the low RPM range and the other 2 in the higher range to avoid minimize lag. The fastest NA is the McLaren F1's V12, so 1000hp is a bit tricky with what we know now :\

I think you used the right word. Tricky but not impossible.

I want to believe that automotive tech has stepped up since 1994 (maybe they did with the wide use of turbo) and we can get more hp/L. Still the F1 is a 6.1L V12 engine that could not rev as high as V12 engines do now. An 8L high-revving engine with modern tech stands a chance IMO.

Wish I had the money to challenge companies :p

[mokthraka]

I love the comments calling the guy and idiot and saying they could drive it 10x better.

because those cares are super easy to drive. just like there parents prius and accords

[revvo]

I love the comments calling the guy and idiot and saying they could drive it 10x better.

because those cares are super easy to drive. just like there parents prius and accords

2 pedals and a steering wheel. Not so different from our cars now are they?

And yes, I could drive 10x better. You know why? A smart driver should always judge the environment and road conditions to adjust your speed. If you're driving too fast, that's what can happen.

Why would I defend reckless driving? It's irresponsible, it's dumb and it's a waste (in this case, a waste of a great piece of machinery).

[rathefeare]

2 pedals and a steering wheel. Not so different from our cars now are they?

And yes, I could drive 10x better. You know why? A smart driver should always judge the environment and road conditions to adjust your speed. If you're driving too fast, that's what can happen.

Why would I defend reckless driving? It's irresponsible, it's dumb and it's a waste (in this case, a waste of a great piece of machinery).

I would agree. I think 10x is about the difference between on the road and in a lake. It isn't like this guy had a small "off" while racing on a track. This guy missed the road by quite a large amount. He was obviously going to fast for the conditions and his skill and on a public road that is inexcusable. If he is off the road by that amount he could have easily killed someone. We only see down the road in one direction, but it appears he lost it on a straight!

[mokthraka]

2 pedals and a steering wheel. Not so different from our cars now are they?

And yes, I could drive 10x better. You know why? A smart driver should always judge the environment and road conditions to adjust your speed. If you're driving too fast, that's what can happen.

Why would I defend reckless driving? It's irresponsible, it's dumb and it's a waste (in this case, a waste of a great piece of machinery).

it is not the same... at ALL

they handle much diffrently. some high preformance cars will not handle well at lower speeds. because its not what they are designed for.

want a good example? go get GT5 prolouge. the driving is sort of realistic. handling any of the high preformance cars is much different.

not to mention they accelerate MUCH faster.

saying you could handle a car like the Buggati is like saying a new biker could handle a Hayabusa or kawasaki ZX-14\

could easily do that in a lower preformance car

not to mention he was not even speeding and it was dry out

http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-ga...into-texas-lake

its a shame the driver didnt want to hit a bird huh? should have just ran it over instaid but then people would be bitching he was heartless

though I doubt he is flipping out

http://www.carzi.com/2009/11/15/andy-house...ke-crash-video/

he owns the ferrari eddy griffin crashed. and its now repaired and most likley worth more then the buggati cause who crashed it

Edited November 21, 2009 by mokthraka

[Prt Scr]

Probably the best automotive fail of all time

I wouldnt feel too bad for the driver, from the price tag of the car hes probably some fat balding pindick in his 50's, and god knows anyone who buys a penis extension car deserves nothing less.

As for the subject of the 4 turbos and whether 2 operate at low speed and the other 2 at high, makes sense. I assume 2 operate at lower speeds, it would make sense, after all the thing has 11 radiators.....

[mokthraka]

oh and you say he is a bad drive. I bet you any thing he drives better then ANYONE here

I some how doubt any of us have a Enzo and Buggati and who knows what else. and are one of the biggest auto salvagers in the world

[qdave]

i guess he needed that carwash badly :D

[mokthraka]

i guess he needed that carwash badly :D

well you cant just go through one of those carwashs they have dirtywater and might scratch the paint

[Minifig]

I hate to debunk this one.

Wikipedia:

On November 11, 2009, the owner of a 2006 Veyron inadvertently drove his vehicle into a salt water lagoon, near Omega Bay, in La Marque, Texas. The vehicle was submerged in approximately two feet of water before it was retrieved.

This is the video.

It wasn't Friday the 13th.

[mokthraka]

you had to go to wikipedia?

just go to the video

November 12, 2009