Is that possible, The Perendev Project?!

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[zhangm Supervisor]

No. Does not work.

[hdood]

No, it isn't true. The day someone violates the laws of physics as we understand them, it will be widely documented and reviewed by the entire scientific community, with the creator be awarded numerous prizes, including likely even the Nobel Prize. These fringes that claim they can create free energy just with magnets but don't want to reveal their design or have it tested under controlled conditions are either made up of crazy people or outright scammers. You can't get more energy out of something than you put into it.

The fact that there are Youtube videos means nothing. Videos are easily faked, and are often even so short in length that no real fakery is needed. You can spin a flywheel for instance and create power enough for a Youtube clip.

The reality is that things that sound too good to be true, usually are.

[Richard Hammond]

No such thing as a perpetual energy machine.

[Elagizy]

I've thought the same. But in other point of view, what if these claims were true and media are prohibited to spread this stuff as it can cause economic disaster. For example, oil companies will be vanished because of this invention, economically they earn golds everyday. I'm pretty sure that they'll do whatever it takes to stop this invention from happening. Inventors probably get killed before announcing these projects widely.

I think Tesla also was killed because of his inventions.

Imagine that you don't have to pay for electricity bills or get a self running cars without fuel. Imagine these possibilities! It could be a good reason for why this invention is not officially tested.

I've seen many posts while searching google that confirms the project, but I'll be glad to get a direct answer from a neutral source.

[Richard Hammond]

Or, all those are silly conspiracy theories and there is no such thing as perpetual energy.

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

I've thought the same. But in other point of view, what if these claims were true and media are prohibited to spread this stuff as it can cause economic disaster. For example, oil companies will be vanished because of this invention, economically they earn golds everyday. I'm pretty sure that they'll do whatever it takes to stop this invention from happening. Inventors probably get killed before announcing these projects widely.

I think Tesla also was killed because of his inventions.

Imagine that you don't have to pay for electricity bills or get a self running cars without fuel. Imagine these possibilities! It could be a good reason for why this invention is not officially tested.

I've seen many posts while searching google that confirms the project, but I'll be glad to get a direct answer from a neutral source.

The idea that the oil and coal industry is suppressing these technologies is quite popular among the fringe crowd, but the truth is that the technology just doesn't work and the oil industry isn't suppressing anything. We already have better sources of power (like nuclear) than coal and oil, but they aren't in wide scale use because oil and coal are very cheap, and people are scared of them (people thinking Chernobyl will happen at any plant)

Oil, Coal, Nuclear, etc. produce more power than is put in because the power put in is used to release stored energy in the oil/coal/uranium (potential energy), these devices people produce that have "perpetual motion" don't work since there's no potential energy in them. All the power that goes in, goes to producing the power out and making the machine work, producing a net loss of energy.

Edit: Highly efficient solar power alone would provide enough energy to meet all the world's energy needs multiple times over, but it's still not efficient enough yet, the oil and coal industries aren't worried about some magnets stuck together.

[Elagizy]

If Oil, Coal and Uranium have potential energy, may be magnets too!

Do you have a scientific reason why magnets have magnetic force? where these energy come from? I mean what's the cause of this phenomena. Since scientists say that magnets doesn't lose magnetism unless it's heated, shocked or knocked down that means it has unlimited energy as long as it doesn't affected by any of these causes.

In other hand, magnets are way too cheap, compared to uranium! + you can't build a nuclear facility in your home :D !

Solar energy also is expensive and not effective.

[hdood]

I've thought the same. But in other point of view, what if these claims were true and media are prohibited to spread this stuff as it can cause economic disaster. For example, oil companies will be vanished because of this invention, economically they earn golds everyday. I'm pretty sure that they'll do whatever it takes to stop this invention from happening. Inventors probably get killed before announcing these projects widely.

If there actually was a secret death squad that went around killing inventors, then the guys behind this thing would already be dead. The reality is that you are just trying to justify the lack of any sort of details about this magical device.

Imagine that you don't have to pay for electricity bills or get a self running cars without fuel. Imagine these possibilities!

Yes, imagine is all we can do, because it is simply a fantasy. If it was possible, it would have changed the world. Not just that, but if it was actually possible it would likely already have been discovered by more reputable mainstream scientists.

Edit: Highly efficient solar power alone would provide enough energy to meet all the world's energy needs multiple times over, but it's still not efficient enough yet, the oil and coal industries aren't worried about some magnets stuck together.

Not just that, but the companies that make up the "oil industry" are also involved in other forms of energy, including solar, in an attempt to capitalize on it as well.

If Oil, Coal and Uranium have potential energy, may be magnets too!

Magnets manipulate energy, they don't create it, nor do they store an infinite amount of it.

[lamminium]

lol. Let's see how this motor turns out... (I honestly wish the inventors all the best)

[trieste]

Lenz Law will stop that generator in its tracks...

[Konstanov]

From a physics standpoint if you increase the size and thus the power output of the motor you create more friction, and more friction ends up being displaced as heat. Enough heat would render these magnets useless for perpetual energy and only be good in short bursts. Perpetual energy is wishful thinking, even the stars die eventually.

[FloatingFatMan]

I've thought the same. But in other point of view, what if these claims were true and media are prohibited to spread this stuff as it can cause economic disaster. For example, oil companies will be vanished because of this invention, economically they earn golds everyday. I'm pretty sure that they'll do whatever it takes to stop this invention from happening. Inventors probably get killed before announcing these projects widely.

I think Tesla also was killed because of his inventions.

Dude, loosen your tinfoil hat, your brain needs the oxygen.

Tesla died of a heart attack at age 86, broke and in massive debt.

[Linkinfamous]

If Oil, Coal and Uranium have potential energy, may be magnets too!

Do you have a scientific reason why magnets have magnetic force? where these energy come from? I mean what's the cause of this phenomena. Since scientists say that magnets doesn't lose magnetism unless it's heated, shocked or knocked down that means it has unlimited energy as long as it doesn't affected by any of these causes.

No.

Work comes from changing magnetic fields, not stationary ones. That's why a generator has a rotating magnet of some kind, to induce a current via a changing magnetic field. (For a good example of this, try to drop a neodymium magnet down a copper pipe.)

And we know exactly where magnetism comes from: The dipole moments induced by electron spin (A quantum mechanical property, the electrons don't actually spin, classically it was thought that they did, but we now know that they don't.)

Extreme shock and heat can disrupt the spin polarization of the various grains in the metal, which causes the magnetism generated by each little bit of the magnet to cancel, rather than add, and the magnet is no longer a magnet.

Edited November 22, 2009 by MioTheGreat

[Elagizy]

Dude, loosen your tinfoil hat, your brain needs the oxygen.

Tesla died of a heart attack at age 86, broke and in massive debt.

Read this:

Soon after his death Tesla's safe was opened by his nephew Sava Kosanović. Shortly thereafter Tesla's papers and other property were empounded by the United States' Alien Property Custodian office in Tesla's compound at the Manhattan Warehouse, even though he was a naturalized citizen. At the time of his death, Tesla had been working on the Teleforce weapon, or 'death ray,' that he had unsuccessfully marketed to the US War Department. It appears that Teleforce was related to his research into ball lightning and plasma, and was conceived as a particle beam weapon. The US government did not find a prototype of the device in the safe. After the FBI was contacted by the War Department, his papers were declared to be top secret. The personal effects were sequestered on the advice of presidential advisers; J. Edgar Hoover declared the case most secret, because of the nature of Tesla's inventions and patents.[101] One document stated that "[he] is reported to have some 80 trunks in different places containing transcripts and plans having to do with his experiments".

Tesla's family and the Yugoslav embassy struggled with the American authorities to gain these items after his death due to the potential significance of some of his research. Eventually Mr. Kosanović won possession of the materials, which are now housed in the Nikola Tesla Museum.[102]

Sometimes truth could be hidden, there are many theories of his death, heart attack is the easiest claim to cover this up, it could be a fact but read his story behind the lines.

No.

Work comes from changing magnetic fields, not stationary ones. That's why a generator has a rotating magnet of some kind, to induce a current via a changing magnetic field. (For a good example of this, try to drop a neodymium magnet down a copper pipe.)

And we know exactly where magnetism comes from: The dipole moments induced by electron spin (A quantum mechanical property, the electrons don't actually spin, classically it was thought that they did, but we now know that they don't.)

Extreme shock and heat can disrupt the spin polarization of the various grains in the metal, which causes the magnetism generated by each little bit of the magnet to cancel, rather than add, and the magnet is no longer a magnet.

Is this reasonable?

[FloatingFatMan]

Read this:

Sometimes truth could be hidden, there are many theories of his death, heart attack is the easiest claim to cover this up, it could be a fact but read his story behind the lines.

If you want to discuss conspiracy theories about Tesla's death, be my guest.. But that's what Area 51 is for. The Science Discussion & News section is for reality.

Is this reasonable?

Why don't you try building it, and let us know how it turns out? If you can get more energy out of it than you put in, I assure you, you're going to be fabulously wealthy and world famous.

[Malisk]

Hello folks,

So I've been youtubing and found interesting videos titles with Perendev motor or Perendev bla bla bla. These videos simply shows that electricity could be generated from a magnetic motor without any other energy source. Some people managed to power some light bulbs with this magnetic generator.

The generator doesn't stop unless you stop it. Sounds like it'll work forever!

I'm wondering if anyone tried to build one successfully. I was planing to build one, but I'm not able to find neodymium magnets in RadioShack in my country. I'd probably order it if these claims are true.

If you have never heard of it, search for Perendev in youtube. you will get plenty of videos.

Here too:

Perendev+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3a%6ffficial&client=firefox-a

Any previous experience?

Thanks :)

What about the energy continuously dissipating as heat as the magnetic generator runs, due to friction?

As others have said, there is unfortunately no perpetual motion device.

[Elagizy]

Thanks for your thoughts, I think the above schematic is quite convincing, however I'm not sure if the energy will increase or decrease. But if the magnets managed to rotate the core in the 1st place, that means the energy will increase and the motor gets faster and faster.

Also the heat problem shouldn't be an issue, putting fans could fix it (fans powered from the generator as well) or in an air conditioned place.

But I missed an important point, what about demagnetizing? may be it will rotate continuously and gets faster until the magnets demagnetize each other as there are different poles facing each other in apposite directions, with fast speed magnets will demagnetize each other until it lose its magnetism.

Is it possible for nature magnets to get demagnetized?

[Linkinfamous]

It's the same old kind of perpetual motion scam, dude. You can't violate the second law (Unless you're a quantum physicist, working with certain microscopic systems where it doesn't really apply yet)

Keep in mind that you need to expend a fair amount of work to get the magnets into that configuration. That is what creates the potential energy that you get expended when it rotates for a bit. Maybe you can get it to rotate a for a bit, but it'll always spin down, even under the load of air resistance. You'll never get more work out of it than you put into getting the magnets arranged like that.

And yes, magnets can become demagetized. They have a property called coercivity, which tells you what kind of alternative field strength they can withstand before they start to demagnetize. Permanent magnets tend to have a very high coercivity.

Edited November 23, 2009 by MioTheGreat

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

That design won't work, it would have to overcome the repulsion caused by the magnetic fields to get the magnets in the right place to continue spinning.

Hold the magnets in your hand and try the motion out, as the magnets come together they're going to start repulsing each other, it won't wait until after you've passed them.

Edit: Yea, heat is always a problem, since heat is energy wasted, a petrol car engine is less efficient than an electric motor since most of the petrol motor's energy is expended as heat. Adding fan's just uses more energy.

[+M2Ys4U Subscriber¹]

Anybody who sincerely claims to produce energy from nowhere is either lying or is mentally ill.

One cannot extract energy from magnetic fields like this, and definitely not without the effect being reduced over time.

You can only ever get as much energy out of a system as you put in to it. No ifs, no buts.

[Solid Knight]

What about putting the motor in orbit around a planet and using gravity as the basis for generating electricity. Gravity never burns up.

[FloatingFatMan]

What about putting the motor in orbit around a planet and using gravity as the basis for generating electricity. Gravity never burns up.

OK... And how do you then propose to get that generated electricity to where it can be used?

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

A really long wire.

That could actually work as a form of power generation (tether a geostationary probe to the ground using a conductive tether, the movement through the magnetic field would generate a charge), although there's so much expense to what little power it generates, that it's be cheaper and more efficient just to build a normal power plant on the ground.