Windows 7 support by the end of the year?

[evo0o]

jebus197: i feel you dude. i too think they're cutting it close, but my hopes ain't up, i'm going to say it'll be out in 2010.

i too don't want to fiddle with a partially "it works" method. i want 100% when i install it via boot camp.

i experienced the audio "bug" that you pointed out earlier.

[Phantom Helix]

jebus197: i feel you dude. i too think they're cutting it close, but my hopes ain't up, i'm going to say it'll be out in 2010.

i too don't want to fiddle with a partially "it works" method. i want 100% when i install it via boot camp.

i experienced the audio "bug" that you pointed out earlier.

100%? even if Apple makes windows 7 drivers they will never be 100% nothing in the computer world ever is, or the real world for that mater.

I installed 7 x64 on my early 2009 24' iMac, guess what? this mac isn't supposed to be able to run x64 versions of vista or 7 only XP

I installed the Bootcamp 3.0 Vista x64 drivers proper and every thing works as intended and in fact this is the best computer I have ever owned that Had any Windows OS installed on it.

They offer bootcamp and the ability to install Windows At all as a "Free" feature, complaining about it and whinning like a little girl that they didn't give you what you want exactly when they said they might release it is not doing you any good at all now is it?

If you bought your mac with express point to install Windows 7 on it for a daily use system for Work or whatever you made a bad decision and should have got a PC.

Btw there are far better methods than bootcamp to install windows natively on a mac

[evo0o]

sigh, jebus i get what you mean now.

anyhoo, i'm happy with os x but there's just some school applications that need windows.

[jebus197]

Well clearly there are a significant proportion of the people replying here who simply just don't get what this thread is about. "Fools and fanatics" is a thought that springs strangely to mind in this regard. However I suspect that saying so would be considered impolite by some people here.

I have no idea how many times I have to say that it doesn't matter even a tiny little bit if you have a system that you (think) works completely effectively. This thread isn't for you.

There are however still a large number of people running more recent MBP's, for whom update Windows 7 specific drivers could potentially help improve the situation greatly for them.

[ClintEastman]

....On new 13 inch Macbook pro, sleep is sometimes messed up when the lid is closed, the audio drivers don't function correctly (there's more sound output from the left audio channel than the right, no stereo and the sound is very poor quality), the SPDIF output light is also also always on, and additionally the trackpad is also often horribly over sensitive...

I have to agree, I have all these problems.

It amazes me that a company like Apple can release audio drivers that are half finished. I ended up using an edited config file to get the balance level. Still can't turn the SPDIF output off though.

And anyone else come up against the double finger right click bug where it returns a left mouse click too?

Also, strangely i can't right click the taskbar?!

[Tamilboy86]

I have to agree, I have all these problems.

It amazes me that a company like Apple can release audio drivers that are half finished. I ended up using an edited config file to get the balance level. Still can't turn the SPDIF output off though.

And anyone else come up against the double finger right click bug where it returns a left mouse click too?

Also, strangely i can't right click the taskbar?!

I have a similar problem with the trackpad, but when I turn off two-finger right click, I can still right click with two fingers except on the taskbar.. :s..

[Eric Veteran]

I have to agree, I have all these problems.

It amazes me that a company like Apple can release audio drivers that are half finished. I ended up using an edited config file to get the balance level. Still can't turn the SPDIF output off though.

And anyone else come up against the double finger right click bug where it returns a left mouse click too?

Also, strangely i can't right click the taskbar?!

Ha! Creative Labs' main product line is audio cards and they still release half-baked drivers. :( Apple just wants to make sure the drivers don't give the impression that their hardware is unstable.

[jebus197]

Ha! Creative Labs' main product line is audio cards and they still release half-baked drivers. :( Apple just wants to make sure the drivers don't give the impression that their hardware is unstable.

Huh? Is it my imagination or are half the posts here just utterly pointless? Who on earth even mentioned Creative labs? Who said Apples drivers were 'unstable'? At this point it's impossible to say if their official Windows 7 drivers are unstable or not, since they haven't been released yet and Windows 7 is not yet officially supported.

What is it with these guys jumping in on this thread and getting all defensive about Apple, when all people are doing is reporting real physical faults with their systems and wondering out loud when Apple will release officially supported drivers to fix these?

What exactly is the problem with this? It's bizarre. I just don't get it.

[5iver]

It's beyond me why some of you act surprised by this behavior. I remember with Vista I had to wait months before they finally released a update to iTunes that wouldn't bork my collection. This kinda passive aggressive behavior has always been par for the course with Apple and it sucks because whether they like it or not the majority of their customers are Windows users even if they own a Holy mac.

[ClintEastman]

Ha! Creative Labs' main product line is audio cards and they still release half-baked drivers. :( Apple just wants to make sure the drivers don't give the impression that their hardware is unstable.

Wait a second, your saying that Apple have released drivers with borked config (levels wrong, mid woofer turned off, outputs hard coded on, crap sound quality) so their hardware seems stable? Have you been drinking? Meths?

Also what creative do is different (yet still crappy). They just cut support for their products about 1 day after it goes on sale!

I have a similar problem with the trackpad, but when I turn off two-finger right click, I can still right click with two fingers except on the taskbar.. :s..

Yep get that too, the 2 figered taskbar problem is there even if it's turned on!

[Shadrack]

I installed Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit edition on my MacBook Pro 15" last night via BootCamp w/o any problems. The Vista drivers installed w/o any fit, anyway.

I haven't tested the sound out thoroughly (but the sound from the speakers was fine from what I could tell).

The touchpad is a little too sensitive when it comes to "tap" clicking. I kept clicking on things on accident.

My color settings seem a little off and I need to correct them. The whites look as "bright" as they are in Mac OS X.

Screen brightness and volume control work great. The keyboard backlight brightness controls work, but the backlight appears to still be on even when the setting is all the way off. Also, the light sensor doesn't automatically adjust the screen and keyboard brightness (I think its just the iSight webcam thats in the screen).

Closing the lid to sleep worked the few times I tried it. Opening the lid back up resumes just fine and is rather snappy. The front light's dim-to-bright rotation that signifies "sleep" mode worked correctly.

On my first boot, I noticed that the power light in the front was not on. It worked fine on subsequent boots.

Tried Torchlight (through Steam) and World of Warcraft. Both played just fine.

Booted the partition using VMWare Fusion 3 and installed VMWare Tools. Switched back in forth between a BootCamp boot of Windows 7 and a VMWare boot of Windows 7. Didn't have any problems with that either. I was expecting there to be driver confusion (particularly video card drivers), but Windows had no problems being physically or virtually booted.

I'll test the sound more thoroughly when I get home (headphones and stuff).

I didn't test the battery much. Although, what was reported by Windows at ~90% was 3 hours and on Mac OS X was about 5.5 hours after a few minutes of light web browsing. Of course OS X may be more optimistic than Windows 7 is being...

[_neutrino Veteran]

Well they have one more day to provide them before they start getting into questionable territory. Then again at the same time they do not really want you to put Windows on the system.

[jebus197]

I installed Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit edition on my MacBook Pro 15" last night via BootCamp w/o any problems. The Vista drivers installed w/o any fit, anyway.

I haven't tested the sound out thoroughly (but the sound from the speakers was fine from what I could tell).

The touchpad is a little too sensitive when it comes to "tap" clicking. I kept clicking on things on accident.

My color settings seem a little off and I need to correct them. The whites look as "bright" as they are in Mac OS X.

Screen brightness and volume control work great. The keyboard backlight brightness controls work, but the backlight appears to still be on even when the setting is all the way off. Also, the light sensor doesn't automatically adjust the screen and keyboard brightness (I think its just the iSight webcam thats in the screen).

Closing the lid to sleep worked the few times I tried it. Opening the lid back up resumes just fine and is rather snappy. The front light's dim-to-bright rotation that signifies "sleep" mode worked correctly.

On my first boot, I noticed that the power light in the front was not on. It worked fine on subsequent boots.

Tried Torchlight (through Steam) and World of Warcraft. Both played just fine.

Booted the partition using VMWare Fusion 3 and installed VMWare Tools. Switched back in forth between a BootCamp boot of Windows 7 and a VMWare boot of Windows 7. Didn't have any problems with that either. I was expecting there to be driver confusion (particularly video card drivers), but Windows had no problems being physically or virtually booted.

I'll test the sound more thoroughly when I get home (headphones and stuff).

I didn't test the battery much. Although, what was reported by Windows at ~90% was 3 hours and on Mac OS X was about 5.5 hours after a few minutes of light web browsing. Of course OS X may be more optimistic than Windows 7 is being...

That is because not all MBP versions are affected. Guess what? You lucked out! You will still probably get better performance with dedicated Windows 7 drivers though.

[Shadrack]

That is because not all MBP versions are affected. Guess what? You lucked out! You will still probably get better performance with dedicated Windows 7 drivers though.

Oh, that sucks. Guess I did get lucky.

Yeah, actual Windows 7 drivers should have been released by Apple back in October. I mean, the public beta was release quite awhile ago, and the developer beta even longer than.

[AltecXP]

All I want is:

x64 support for my Alum. 13in non-Pro

less sensitive touch pad(or adjustable)

ability to turn the bluetooth off

Right now Windows battery life is bad mostly because the power management in the drivers is bad. I should be able to get about 4hrs out of it, I get maybe 2-2.5.

[.Neo]

Whether they be Windows 7 drivers or Windows Vista drivers - it works - flawlessly. 99% of Vista drivers work fine with Windows 7 anyway.

That isn't the case with all Mac models though

It's beyond me why some of you act surprised by this behavior. I remember with Vista I had to wait months before they finally released a update to iTunes that wouldn't bork my collection. This kinda passive aggressive behavior has always been par for the course with Apple and it sucks because whether they like it or not the majority of their customers are Windows users even if they own a Holy mac.

Same could be said about Microsoft's behavior when it comes to Messenger and Office for Mac. What's your point really?

[ziper]

I'm having bad problems with iMac 27" + Windows 7 x64.

Wireless+Audio driver freezes my computer. Sometimes after a freeze+reboot windows tells me the audio device has been uninstalled and then I have to reinstall it again. My wireless also just drops on random but only every 5 hours or so.

If I stay out of downloading faster than 500kb/s and don't watch Flash based videos/use Livestation it mostly works though.

[Phantom Helix]

I'm having bad problems with iMac 27" + Windows 7 x64.

Wireless+Audio driver freezes my computer. Sometimes after a freeze+reboot windows tells me the audio device has been uninstalled and then I have to reinstall it again. My wireless also just drops on random but only every 5 hours or so.

If I stay out of downloading faster than 500kb/s and don't watch Flash based videos/use Livestation it mostly works though.

Did you install MS Update drives or did you properly install the bootcamp 3.0 package?

[ziper]

I properly installed the Bootcamp 3.0

[0sit0]

The only issue I have is that the touchpad is VERY sensitive and it accidentally clicks on stuff when it shouldn't. Also the right click on the taskbar doesn't work for me either. I think it works with 3 fingers but I don't remember. If they fixed the touchpad sensitivity I would use Windows more often... but I guess that's why they will never fix it.

[PyX]

On my iMac 27", it's the optical out audio that doesn't work - I'm getting sounds from my built-in speakers rather than my set of Logitech Z5500... :-\

Parallels 5 outputs sound in the Z5500 though!

Oh and graphics can become corrupted with my AMD Radeon 4850. I tried installing the official drivers from AMD, but it seems to have made things much worse, but same problems (don't know if it's really worse or not). Sometimes the screen is split in two : the bottom of my screen is at the top, and the top of my screen, at the bottom. The taskbar is in the middle of my screen... woahhhh.

It also took everything for me to install it. I can't even remember how I got it right, but after each install it would show me blue screens of death all the time (I installed it about 5 times, x64 that is).

Triple fingers clicking on the taskbar does indeed a right click on a MacBook. It's strange that right clicking works everywhere, but there. Is it because the taskbar is coded totally differently or what?

That being said, Apple now has 24 hours for me to support Windows 7 officially and release a fixed version of Boot Camp 3... will they really make it? I guess the answer is in my question already...

[Shadrack]

The only issue I have is that the touchpad is VERY sensitive and it accidentally clicks on stuff when it shouldn't. Also the right click on the taskbar doesn't work for me either. I think it works with 3 fingers but I don't remember. If they fixed the touchpad sensitivity I would use Windows more often... but I guess that's why they will never fix it.

Exactly the same issues here. "Right-click" in other places works just fine, so I find it odd that a taskbar right-click is so finicky.

Battery life is what is killing me. Windows seems to be draining the battery about twice as fast as OS X. In fact, running Windows 7 in VMWare Fusion seems to be easier on the battery life than booting into the partition using boot camp. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me...

[0sit0]

Exactly the same issues here. "Right-click" in other places works just fine, so I find it odd that a taskbar right-click is so finicky.

Battery life is what is killing me. Windows seems to be draining the battery about twice as fast as OS X. In fact, running Windows 7 in VMWare Fusion seems to be easier on the battery life than booting into the partition using boot camp. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me...

True, the drivers are not optimized for Windows 7 at all. Also it gets WAY hot when running Windows. I had to install some 3rd party fan control app to cool it down. Oh well... I guess they meant the drivers will be ready by the end of next year :woot:

[Quillz]

Exactly the same issues here. "Right-click" in other places works just fine, so I find it odd that a taskbar right-click is so finicky.

Battery life is what is killing me. Windows seems to be draining the battery about twice as fast as OS X. In fact, running Windows 7 in VMWare Fusion seems to be easier on the battery life than booting into the partition using boot camp. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me...

Again, would be driver issues, since Win7 on my other notebooks lasts just as long, if not longer than, Mac OS X on my MacBook.

[ClintEastman]

Right, well it turns out that the drivers in the Bootcamp 2.2 Update are better than the ones in Bootcamp 3.0!

Found this page detailing on how to extract and install the drivers from the update:

http://thoughtfulcode.wordpress.com/2009/1...amp-3-1-update/

Binary.Cirrus_Audio_Bin –> Fixes audio levels and microphone

Binary.Keyboard_Bin –> Same version that shipped with Boot Camp 3.0

Binary.MultiTouchMouse_Bin –> Magic Mouse driver

Binary.MultiTP_Bin –> Fixes accidental select while dragging

Binary.TrackPad_Bin –> I don’t have the older touchpad so I don’t know

I have installed the audio and multi-touch trackpad drivers. The optical out is now off (at last), the levels seem ok (still not perfect) and my mic finally works in Skype. The trackpad still doesn't handle right clicks very well, but apparently fixes the drag firing off left clicks.

I will say that after installing the audio driver I did enable "Loudness Equalization" to help with levels.

PS. I have a MacBook Pro 13"

Cirrus_Audio_Driver.zip

Edited January 7, 2010 by ClintEastman