Kinect Priced, New Bundles, 4GB Slim Announced

[CentralDogma]

Your logic is flawed. With such reasoning, anything that has failed would be comparable. But that isn't the case. The HD-DVD player relied on the continued production of HD-DVD movies which relied on the continued creation of the standalone HD-DVD player. But, the format died and therefore the lifeline of the player died. If it was a failure in its own right I'm sure the peripheral would have failed before the format, but it didn't.

You?re really over thinking this. One is a failed add-on and one is an add-on that has received some unfortunate news (it is priced rather expensively) that may lead to it failing. That?s the end of the comparison.

Second, you are entirely wrong about motion games dying off. In fact, just the opposite. The fact that MS and Sony are even making peripherals to the same extent prove that notion. But you can believe what you want. Facts show different.

MS and Sony jumping on the motion control bandwagon say nothing about it being a gimmick. Look at 3rd party developers are doing. Their releasing cheap shovelware. They?re making it a gimmick.

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

@Unrealistic, Buy it on ebay.

As for 2 games vs 1, it's still not a 1:1 comparison. Seeing as 1 game is packaged with the console and another with the peripheral. Microsoft bundle a free game, sometimes a whole disc of games with the console. They've even given away games for free.

@CentralDogma, it's you over thinking, and twisting the facts to suit your own argument foolishly.

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

When you're gouging people for an addon(s) it's better that you do it in a way that makes them think they're spending less, eg multiple parts.

Kinect doesn't have multiple parts therefore is stuck lumped at $150.

All the arguments that are going to arise out of this remind me of 2006/2007 when it was about spending more for a PS3 with everything, or getting a 360 cheaper and adding the bits and bobs you need :p

I only need a PSWand, have EyeToy and have a DS3, so that's £30 spent! That kind of thing.

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

There's no argument to be had, it's numbers on paper. If you want to play party games with friends, Move is more expensive.

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

There's no argument to be had, it's numbers on paper. If you want to play party games with friends, Move is more expensive.

All a friend coming to mine may need is a Move controller.

Pretty sure most party games are just going to use it.

4 move controllers will currently cost me £124 :p

But sack that, I buy for myself.

[Emn1ty]

MS and Sony jumping on the motion control bandwagon say nothing about it being a gimmick. Look at 3rd party developers are doing. Their releasing cheap shovelware. They?re making it a gimmick.

Actually, Nintendo made it a gimmick. Why? Cause for a majority of the Wii's lifespan there was no quality control on games. Anything could be put on the console and as a result we got 60 versions of Wii Sports. This is not the case for Move or Kinect and hopefully it will produce better games. But, as you said, it is in part up to the devs as well. They will make or break this peripheral, not the price.

Most of the bad news about it, btw, is misinformation being spun for the sake of article views. I mean, if the Wii survived its own bad reputation (breaking TV's, hardcore gamer trashing, etc.) I'm pretty sure that Kinext/Move will survive what appears to be minor negative remarks in comparison to the Wii.

[Unrealistic]

@Unrealistic, Buy it on ebay.

As for 2 games vs 1, it's still not a 1:1 comparison. Seeing as 1 game is packaged with the console and another with the peripheral. Microsoft bundle a free game, sometimes a whole disc of games with the console. They've even given away games for free.

You sound bitter.

Well that may be true about MS bundling games, but if they were planning on bundling more games, they would have said there and proclaimed how much you will be saving, so that point is moot. And if you want to get into semantics, let's talk about Multiplayer.

Wii games = motion controller, free online multiplayer.

Sony = motion controller, possible free online multiplayer (based on games)

Xbox = motion controller, possible PAID online multiplayer (based on games).

I don't want to beat a dead horse, or sound like Audioboxer. I absolutely hate that my Wii sits and collects dust, and I haven't done much with my PS3 since the last update, but you know what I hate more? Advertisement lies. Microsoft is pushing their own bull****, ala Apple iPhone 4 news, and I don't like it.

They can do better. I expect it from them, as the leaders of the HD console companies.

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

@AB, So either stick to games that require 1 move controller or miss out on some good games that require Navi too?

Sounds like a lame resolution to me. Are you going to share 3D glasses too while you're at it? :p

Edit: before you say use a DS3, they aren't free. Either you need to buy 1 sep or with the console.

@Unrealistic, I'm not bitter, heck I don't even like the price. But the comparison is fair in my opinion. For all we know JoyRide could still be free to Kinect users, so there's your second game possibly?

Not even getting into the XBL vs PSN vs Wii online thing.

[Unrealistic]

@Unrealistic, I'm not bitter, heck I don't even like the price. But the comparison is fair in my opinion. For all we know JoyRide could still be free to Kinect users, so there's your second game possibly?

Doubtful.

http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Kinect-Joy-Ride-for-Xbox-360-with-Kinect/product/9065CCA6

Not even getting into the XBL vs PSN vs Wii online thing.

Damn :(

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

Yup I've seen e-tailers with preorders for it too, but you never know!

[CentralDogma]

Actually, Nintendo made it a gimmick. Why? Cause for a majority of the Wii's lifespan there was no quality control on games. Anything could be put on the console and as a result we got 60 versions of Wii Sports. This is not the case for Move or Kinect and hopefully it will produce better games. But, as you said, it is in part up to the devs as well. They will make or break this peripheral, not the price.

Most of the bad news about it, btw, is misinformation being spun for the sake of article views. I mean, if the Wii survived its own bad reputation (breaking TV's, hardcore gamer trashing, etc.) I'm pretty sure that Kinext/Move will survive what appears to be minor negative remarks in comparison to the Wii.

I agree that Nintendo has had a part (albeit a large part) in making motion control the mess that it is today. They imposed absolutely no quality control on what games were published on the Wii and gave little support to 3rd party developers trying to put effort into making good games on the Wii.

From what I?ve seen of both Move or Kinect, they?re headed down the same route. It?s unfortunate, I don?t think motion control is inherently tied to production of shovelware, but it?s something that?s developed with the platform on the Wii and it looks like Move and Kinect are just opening the flood gates to the stuff. Hopefully some developer will be willing to put forth some effort into a motion control based game and be successful, but I doubt that will happen anytime soon

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

^ can't speak for Move cause I haven't read up on it enough, but as for Kinect, MS are doing a lot to help with the tech itself and how to use it imaginatively.

Just the other week Peter Molyneux was talking about his duty as Creative Director in EU and using Kinect in ways they did for Milo.

If 3rd parties want to ignore that and make Wii-clones, then that's their choice.

Sony's support for normal games is pretty high though. Just look at the relationship between Naughty Dog, Insomniac & the rest. They all share their work & techniques together.

[macrosslover]

I wonder how many of the Kinect games that don't look like crap were built from the ground up for it as opposed to having the feature added later. I know Child of Eden had it added later, not sure about Dance Central though.

[spenser.d]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, given that people have been spending more and more on videogames year after year these last few years despite the economy, and given that motion control is popular, and given that the idea of Kinect is badass...it's going to sell pretty damn well at this pricepoint.

[Hedon]

I only need a PSWand, have EyeToy and have a DS3, so that's ?30 spent! That kind of thing.

You are in the minority though. I wish I already had an eyetoy :(

[.Ark]

Does anyone else think that the packaging looks real ugly?

[Vandalsquad]

Still going to cost more in Australia then anywhere else and I will still pick one up on launch its a new tech I want to experiance myself and could be fun with the GF and for partys.. It comes down to less then a days work the way I look at it and im sure most of us are adults here.

[sambrentnall]

I think Kinect will still sell well, you can be sure that retailers are going to do a morebundle than MS, maybe £150 for Kinect + Kinect Adventures + Move or maybe another one of the Kinect games, maybe Ubisofts fitness game.

Thats the sort of bungle I would go for :)

[Guest]

Will Microsoft sell the 250GB HDD (or a HDD of some size) separate to fit the new Arcade?

[Hedon]

Does anyone else think that the packaging looks real ugly?

Looks Wii sterile to me. Probably why they went that route.