IE9 Will Be Faster and Safer than Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari


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For gods sake IE, just implement sandboxing and you will get alot more of a percentage in the browser market.

IE already does something similar to Chrome, and has done so since IE7. Theres protected mode and tabs are broken into isolated processes.

What I'd love to see is Opera implement something similar, hell it doesn't have isolated tabs yet =(

For gods sake IE, just implement sandboxing and you will get alot more of a percentage in the browser market.

Are you living in a cave? IE7 and IE8 on Windows Vista/7 have implemented Protected Mode since 2006. IE8 on Windows 7 is by far the most secure browser in the world.

Are you living in a cave? IE7 and IE8 on Windows Vista/7 have implemented Protected Mode since 2006. IE8 on Windows 7 is by far the most secure browser in the world.

Could you please provide your documentation that Protected Mode (which actually does have architectural weaknesses) is more secure than Chrome's sandbox system?

Thanks.

Could you please provide your documentation that Protected Mode (which actually does have architectural weaknesses) is more secure than Chrome's sandbox system?

Thanks.

Actually I didn't claim IE8's Protected Mode is better than Chrome's sandbox. Protected Mode may or may not be better than Chrome's system. But, overall I think IE8's security features are better. I read this article a few months ago Microsoft-sponsored reports find IE8 most secure browser. And yes, I agree with it 100% despite this being a "Microsoft-sponsored research".

Actually I didn't claim IE8's Protected Mode is better than Chrome's sandbox.

Sorry, I thought you were saying that IE was architecturally more secure.

But, overall I think IE8's security features are better. I read this article a few months ago Microsoft-sponsored reports find IE8 most secure browser. And yes, I agree with it 100% despite this being a "Microsoft-sponsored research".

The report seems to be solely about how good their blacklists for malware/phishing sites are (which is certainly an important part for novice users.) IE may very well do better there, although the test is old.

Wait a minute. Shouldn't this topic be posted in the jokes section? Thank you for the laugh. Of course everyone knows that Chrome is the superior browser.

Wait a minute. Shouldn't this topic be posted in the jokes section? Thank you for the laugh. Of course everyone knows that Chrome is the superior browser.

Well that answer is wrong, I'm part of everyone and I don't know Chrome is superior.

Could you please provide your documentation that Protected Mode (which actually does have architectural weaknesses) is more secure than Chrome's sandbox system?

Thanks.

Chrome actually uses the very same sandbox system (which is built into Windows) that IE uses. Chrome is in effect just piggybacking off of IE's security.

And I have not heard of these "architectural weaknesses" you speak of.

Chrome actually uses the very same sandbox system (which is built into Windows) that IE uses. Chrome is in effect just piggybacking off of IE's security.

And I have not heard of these "architectural weaknesses" you speak of.

Technically no, Google disassembled the sandboxing used by IE (which is essentially just an extension of Vista's, and now 7's, protection schemes) and used it to create their own version.

There's an interesting whitepaper on uninformed.org explaining it if you're interested

Both are similar to each other, but not exactly the same.]

Edit: I can no longer find said article..however a google search points out that while Google (oddly enough :rofl:) did disassemble parts of Windows code, it was to find a way to enforce DEP instead of sandbox. So I could be wrong =/

uh huh..... i have read something like this before....... i believe it was something to do with Vista....!

man.... IE8 is enough of a bleeding headache as it is.....!!!!!! IE9 is going to have to be something truly spectacular to convince me to click on the blue IE without cringing every single time!

Chrome actually uses the very same sandbox system (which is built into Windows) that IE uses. Chrome is in effect just piggybacking off of IE's security.

Chrome uses additional hacks to attempt to isolate itself as much as possible.

And I have not heard of these "architectural weaknesses" you speak of.

IE uses integrity levels, where the browser itself runs at low integrity, while a broker runs at medium and is responsible for prompting for consent for various things. These aren't a sandbox in the strictest sense, because they still allow full read access to the system, as well as write access to certain namespaces (which can lead to collisions, resulting in privilege escalation.) You also still have access to all Windows APIs, where those related to graphics and windowing are the most problematic. Graphics in Windows has no security, which means you can freely write to anything on screen. That includes modifying the consent prompts.

Have no need for protected mode and only use 2 addons, in Seamonkey, NOT Firefox, but for out of the box security, IE has ALWAYS been as safe/secure as ANY other browser out there, if you're not brain dead and some Firefox, or other browsers fanboy!! IMO

I have 5 different browsers installed at the moment, and use ALL of them at will, and don't get ANY baddies installed on ANY of my machines.

I think the IE9 previews are showing that it will be very fast when it's final, and MS is now moving on a quicker update schedule since IE is no longer tied to Windows releases (the 2 year bit is now moot). So that just leave security, which I think if they stick to the path they've been taking since IE7 will infact make IE9 very very secure from the start.

People who doubt something because it's coming from MS are quite funny IMO. I just look at the path they've been taking since IE7 and the 3 PPs we've gotten every 8 weeks or so as signs that the comments made by the COO are very close to coming true.

IE9 is the fastest and most secure browser there

No it isn't. It's still lagging behind the rest.

can't see IE9 being faster than chrome 6

Opera 10.6 is faster than Chrome 6, and will be even harder to beat. Especially since it is nearly as fast without hardware acceleration as other browsers are with it.

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