Microsoft halves number of available TechNet keys

[qdave]

Luckily i had pregenerated 10 of everything so i didnt loose anything :D

[Phenom II]

  On 24/09/2010 at 17:32, qdave said:

Luckily i had pregenerated 10 of everything so i didnt loose anything :D

(Y) Yup ;)

[Travesty]

  On 24/09/2010 at 17:28, Phenom II said:

It will have changed since the 5 keys thing.

Unless anyone actually saved the old one

I don't know if it did ever say the amount of keys available though

I'm more curious to see if there's a part of it stating they can do what they please when they please... If that's the case the only people TechNet subscribers can be mad at is themselves...

[Phenom II]

  On 24/09/2010 at 17:37, Synthetic said:

I'm more curious to see if there's a part of it stating they can do what they please when they please... If that's the case the only people TechNet subscribers can be mad at is themselves...

Hmm yea... more than likely it will say something along the lines of "MS Reserve the right to change this agreement...... etc etc "

[Travesty]

  On 24/09/2010 at 17:38, Phenom II said:

Hmm yea... more than likely it will say something along the lines of "MS Reserve the right to change this agreement...... etc etc "

Would be a leason in making sure to read the fine print I suppose

[hdood]

  On 24/09/2010 at 15:58, Mr aldo said:

Oh, yeah... And to those saying these are for evaluation purposes only, if you ever watched (or listened to) Windows Weekly, you would know that Paul Thurrott contacted Microsoft and asked about whether or not you could use this stuff for home purposes... Guess what? You can! Why do you think they made another subscription option? One is for the home user, another is for IT.

None of the subscriptions are for "the home users" and none of them allow what you're saying. TechNet is not a cheap way to buy software in bulk, it's a service designed to provide you with tools to evaluate and test Microsoft solutions. That is why the cost is low. Can you please show exactly where in the license it says what you're claiming? I am asking because the Microsoft site explicitly states the exact opposite of what you are claiming.

[ManMountain]

Can I use evaluation software received in my TechNet Subscription on my devices in my home?

The TechNet Subscription license terms grant one user the right to install the program software on any devices, including those located at his or her home, but the user must fully comply with all the license terms no matter where the device is located. In other words, one user may install and use the evaluation software, only to evaluate it. You may not use it in a live operating environment, a staging or production environment, or with data that has not been sufficiently backed up. You may not use the evaluation software for software development or in an application development environment.

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[Mr. Gibs]

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In other words, one user may install and use the evaluation software, only to evaluate it

[treemonster]

  On 24/09/2010 at 17:42, hdood said:

None of the subscriptions are for "the home users" and none of them allow what you're saying. TechNet is not a cheap way to buy software in bulk, it's a service designed to provide you with tools to evaluate and test Microsoft solutions. That is why the cost is low. Can you please show exactly where in the license it says what you're claiming? I am asking because the Microsoft site explicitly states the exact opposite of what you are claiming.

there are a few quotes in this article that say there is a technet sub for home use, but it says near the end of one of them that it is for evaluation of software and no for umm i think i twas put "production" use and something else.

if you are using technet to install software on all your home pc's such as win 7 and office and so on, you are actually in violation of the EULA and TOS according to those quotes. no i'm not going to read and decipher the EULA for myself to make sure of this, but chances are you aren't going to either.

it's basically an unlimited trial on teh trust system. so ofc it's going to be abused.

[Mr aldo]

Once again, though, I will direct you here: http://www.winsupersite.com/win7/totw/technet2.asp

Paul Thurrott already asked Microsoft about this, and you are allowed to use the software for home purposes ONLY, you cannot use it for commercial purposes...

[Mr. Gibs]

  On 24/09/2010 at 17:50, Mr aldo said:

Once again, though, I will direct you here: http://www.winsupersite.com/win7/totw/technet2.asp

Paul Thurrott already asked Microsoft about this, and you are allowed to use the software for home purposes ONLY, you cannot use it for commercial purposes...

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In fact, Microsoft specifically says in its TechNet Subscriptions FAQ that "the TechNet Subscription license terms grant one user the right to install the program software on any devices, including those located at his or her home ... one user may install and use the evaluation software, only to evaluate it

ONLY TO EVALUATE IT.

Of course, MS knows that a lot of people who buy technet subs aren't doing it to evaluate their software. It's more like to get a copy of Windows to last them forever.

Sure you can claim that you've been evaluating Windows 7 for the past year, and still haven't finished..but thats not exactly true now is it ;)

[Phenom II]

  On 24/09/2010 at 17:52, /- Razorfold said:

ONLY TO EVALUATE IT.

Of course, MS knows that a lot of people who buy technet subs aren't doing it to evaluate their software. It's more like to get a copy of Windows to last them forever.

Does the agreement state how long the evaluation can last for ?

[Mr. Gibs]

  On 24/09/2010 at 17:53, Phenom II said:

Does the agreement state how long the evaluation can last for ?

Nope, and like I said MS knows people will abuse it in that way. But they don't care, well so to say. They would much rather have some people (since not everyone knows about this) pay less for their software but still pay for it, rather than just go and download pirated copies.

But as per the agreement you can only use it for evaluation, regardless of where its at. But how long you require to evaluate said product, is upto you.

Also, I could be wrong, but wasn't Technet like $500-600 at one point of time? And now the cheapest one, which still gives you everything but enterprise software, is like $200. So you're still getting an excellent deal.

[Mr aldo]

I am currently browsing Neowin on Google Chrome, I am just evaluating how well Windows 7 and Google Chrome get along, so far, I still haven't come up with a conclusion, hehe.

But Microsoft would have to know people are doing that, and that could be why they lowered the amount of keys. Microsoft wouldn't have made another subscription option (TechNet Standard, more affordable) if they didn't want people using it at home.

@Razorfold

Well, it is $199 for TechNet Standard, however, you do not get access to Enterprise stuff (like Windows 7 Enterprise Edition), for $349, you do get Enterprise stuff, and for $599, you can get all that, AND media (so you can get DVD's instead of download only).

Here is the page, if anyone is interested: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/default.aspx

[Mr. Gibs]

  On 24/09/2010 at 17:57, Mr aldo said:

I am currently browsing Neowin on Google Chrome, I am just evaluating how well Windows 7 and Google Chrome get along, so far, I still haven't come up with a conclusion, hehe.

But Microsoft would have to know people are doing that, and that could be why they lowered the amount of keys. Microsoft wouldn't have made another subscription option (TechNet Standard, more affordable) if they didn't want people using it at home.

Exactly ;) If you're a home user they won't do anything, not worth the costs. However if you use Technet in a production environment (ie servers etc) and MS finds out, you might be in serious trouble.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if half the keys on eBay and stuff are just technet licenses being resold. And this is probably what MS is trying to avoid. I mean if they're giving you 10 keys+ for like $200, and then you go and sell 9 of them for like $100 each..

[Rigby]

  On 24/09/2010 at 16:54, Subject Delta said:

And what right do you have to tell Microsoft how they can and cannot price their products? The fact that you disagree with their prices doesn't give you the authoritative right to say they deserve to have their products pirated, in fact it is because of people with attitudes like yours that the prices of their products does keep going up.

I agree but there's no point talking to him. He made an ignorant comment and now he's not man enough to face up to it.

[Mr aldo]

  On 24/09/2010 at 18:00, /- Razorfold said:

Exactly ;) If you're a home user they won't do anything, not worth the costs. However if you use Technet in a production environment (ie servers etc) and MS finds out, you might be in serious trouble.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if half the keys on eBay and stuff are just technet licenses being resold. And this is probably what MS is trying to avoid. I mean if they're giving you 10 keys+ for like $200, and then you go and sell 9 of them for like $100 each..

Indeed (updated my post btw, added some stuff ;-), just extra stuff)...

Though I have heard of people buying a computer with Windows on it, and the people find out it is a pirated version of Windows, and if you contact Microsoft and explain the situation, they will actually get you a legal license for the version of Windows on your computer... Of course I would think you would need to prove it, and give Microsoft information about where you got the computer from so they can see if it happens a lot, and then pursue legal actions.

[AgentGray]

  On 24/09/2010 at 17:57, Mr aldo said:

But Microsoft would have to know people are doing that, and that could be why they lowered the amount of keys. Microsoft wouldn't have made another subscription option (TechNet Standard, more affordable) if they didn't want people using it at home.

Yes, there's no legitmate reason for anyone to own technet standard except for abusing the license. Oh wait, we got it for our mid-sized company that dosn't need enterprise solutions, just the ability to evaluate new software on various OSes before we roll it to the whole company. *gasp*

[Mr. Gibs]

  On 24/09/2010 at 18:04, Mr aldo said:

Indeed (updated my post btw, added some stuff ;-), just extra stuff)...

Though I have heard of people buying a computer with Windows on it, and the people find out it is a pirated version of Windows, and if you contact Microsoft and explain the situation, they will actually get you a legal license for the version of Windows on your computer... Of course I would think you would need to prove it, and give Microsoft information about where you got the computer from so they can see if it happens a lot, and then pursue legal actions.

Yeh I know they added the standard edition now, but before I think it was like $600 for the cheapest. Sure the standard doesn't give you enterprise stuff, but then really you don't need those anyways lol. Also if you google a very obvious search term, you can find 25%-30% off coupon codes ;)

But like I said. Don't pull the license stuff when you're also not exactly following the agreement you signed lol, its lame.

I haven't heard about them giving you a free copy of windows if you were a victim of software counterfeiting but in a way it does make sense. If you do use pirated copies, you're only a small fish in a much bigger pond. MS doesn't want you, they won't get much back, they want the people who sell the counterfeited copies.

[Mr aldo]

  On 24/09/2010 at 18:08, /- Razorfold said:

Yeh I know they added the standard edition now, but before I think it was like $600 for the cheapest. Sure the standard doesn't give you enterprise stuff, but then really you don't need those anyways lol. Also if you google a very obvious search term, you can find 25%-30% off coupon codes ;)

But like I said. Don't pull the license stuff when you're also not exactly following the agreement you signed lol, its lame.

I haven't heard about them giving you a free copy of windows if you were a victim of software counterfeiting but in a way it does make sense. If you do use pirated copies, you're only a small fish in a much bigger pond. MS doesn't want you, they won't get much back, they want the people who sell the counterfeited copies.

Bet that was awhile ago, I remember they used to only have like CD/DVD options, so every once in awhile they would send people a big binder full or CD's/DVD's, lol. That must have been fun!

I don't remember where I heard that about getting a valid license if you purchased a pirated copy, it was awhile ago, and maybe I am just imagining things.

[hdood]

  On 24/09/2010 at 17:49, treemonster said:

there are a few quotes in this article that say there is a technet sub for home use, but it says near the end of one of them that it is for evaluation of software and no for umm i think i twas put "production" use and something else.

Production use means a system that is actually in real world use, instead of just being used to evaluate and test. This applies even for a single installation. You cannot use it in the way most people are.

And no, there is no "for home use" subscription. The available subscriptions are:

Microsoft? TechNet Subscription Standard: Tailored to help IT Professionals evaluate, test, and troubleshoot Microsoft software for desktop environments. TechNet Standard does not include some enterprise editions of Microsoft software.

Microsoft? TechNet Subscription Professional: Geared towards IT Professionals who need a more comprehensive subscription and are primarily focused on supporting enterprise wide environments such as the following scenarios: server consolidation, interoperability, network management and more.

Microsoft? TechNet Subscription Professional with Media: Offers the same benefits as TechNet Professional, but is geared towards those organizations with bandwidth constraints and/or prefer a DVD copy of software.

  On 24/09/2010 at 17:49, treemonster said:

no i'm not going to read and decipher the EULA for myself to make sure of this, but chances are you aren't going to either.

I have read it.

  On 24/09/2010 at 17:50, Mr aldo said:

Paul Thurrott already asked Microsoft about this, and you are allowed to use the software for home purposes ONLY, you cannot use it for commercial purposes...

No. Anyone can use it for evaluation and test purposes, not "home purposes." Again, TechNet subscriptions are not a bulk discount system. That is what the family packs, student editions, and so on are. It is a service provided to aid "IT professionals" in evaluating and testing Microsoft solutions, nothing else.

[sbauer]

  On 24/09/2010 at 19:17, hdood said:

No. Anyone can use it for evaluation and test purposes, not "home purposes." Again, TechNet subscriptions are not a bulk discount system. That is what the family packs, student editions, and so on are. It is a service provided to aid "IT professionals" in evaluating and testing Microsoft solutions, nothing else.

To clarify, the location doesn't matter as long as you are using the software accordingly. You may use it at home if you're using it for evaluating purposes only.

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Can I use evaluation software received in my TechNet Subscription on my devices in my home?

The TechNet Subscription license terms grant one user the right to install the program software on any devices, including those located at his or her home, but the user must fully comply with all the license terms no matter where the device is located. In other words, one user may install and use the evaluation software, only to evaluate it. You may not use it in a live operating environment, a staging or production environment, or with data that has not been sufficiently backed up. You may not use the evaluation software for software development or in an application development environment.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/ms772427.aspx

That last sentence is the reason why I have never purchased a TechNet subscription. MSDN is where I have to live. I did, however, purchase a retail copy of Windows 7.

[treemonster]

@hdood there was a guy quoting a ms employee saying it was fine of r home use with iirc a link. that's what i referring to. but i agree with you.

and who ever actually reads EULAs? lolz :p

[hdood]

  On 24/09/2010 at 19:23, treemonster said:

@hdood there was a guy quoting a ms employee saying it was fine of r home use with iirc a link. that's what i referring to. but i agree with you.

and who ever actually reads EULAs? lolz :p

No, he linked to a Paul Thurrott site with incorrect information. Thurrott adds "commercial use," even though Microsoft does not say that. If the Microsoft site and Paul Thurrot's site disagree, Microsoft's site is always right.

[Prince Charming]

  On 24/09/2010 at 16:12, Phenom II said:

I would say ?50-60

I buy the OS that I use everyday for 3-4 years or so until a new OS is released

I also buy a 1TB HDD that I use for approximately the same length of time, and also use everyday - but I don't need a licence for it, or have to question my legal rights to put it in a different PC

Eh, no you don't. You BUY a 1TB HDD. You LICENSE your OS (in the case of Windows). Hence you need a LICENSE for it, and don't have automatically transferrable rights. Because you don't own it. You never did - just because you paid for something doesn't mean you own it.