Mac OS X Lion Discussion

[iuerg87yerg879e0rg9erugjer]

has anyone actually installed lion server? would like to know what is happening on that end at the moment (Y)

[Elliott]

Springloading is gimped as f'ck in expose now :(

Try dragging files over expose'd windows, it doesn't automatically over em.

Yea, I noticed this too. I'm sure it's just a bug right now.

[PyX]

Panther - Expose

Tiger - Spotlight

Leopard - Time Machine & Stacks

Snow Leopard - Refinement of the UI and many small niceties

Lion - .... nothing so far.

You could say the same thing for Lion that you said with Snow Leopard. Refinements and small niceties and speed upgrades.

As for me, having a brand new Mail is probably my biggest so far because I felt the current one is outdated. Versions and AutoSave will be breakthrough features, because at the moment I simulate a Versions feature by having files named "Filename-V1.docx" and it sometimes go from version 1 to 200. I’m in engineering so I will usually stay in my same files for a long time (Excel files with over 30 tabs at the bottom, Word files with over 100 pages, etc.). The personal server is great, but I have MAMP at the moment which does a perfect job (I will uninstall MAMP and have something built-in), and having a hardware-accelerated Safari (WebKit2) is something I wanted a long time ago. I especially love the new UI of the OS.

There’s also talks of having a free MobileMe and some kind of Dropbox service, along with Locate my iPhone and the mail service and the excellent other services it provides.

For me, at a price tag of $129, I’ll surely buy it.

.Neo, you’re saying you’ll get it for free. How? Your school has a special offer?

has anyone actually installed lion server? would like to know what is happening on that end at the moment (Y)

Once I installed OS X Lion, I almost had to reinstall it completely to install just the server part because I forgot it during the normal install. There was no such thing as "optional packages" in this build, and I hope it’s just temporary because it’s a preview. It took me about 30-40 minutes to install.

I tried but didn’t really mess around with it. I couldn’t figure out how to make PHP work, so none of my websites worked well. The general UI seems great visually but since I couldn’t even find anything related about PHP, I don’t have my hopes up right now.

[Chlorpromazine]

So what you probably have is Photoshop on one screen, maximized :laugh:

Fullscreen apps won’t change so many things for you.

Not exactly: what I have is an instance of PS on the left screen and InDesign + Bridge on the right screen: I have everything in sight, like having a 24”x2 monitor with two apps open at the same time.

It’s not that I can’t stand it, it’s just that I don’t see why they created this just for applications, didn’t merge it with the Stacks features instead.

I’d prefer having what I will call a Full Screen Stack. No need for something so fancy, exclusively for applications, because it’s a lot of development and I see little but no gain at the moment.

Yeah, the Application stack works very well (I mostly do CMD+Space and type the first three letter in Spotlight, though) so I don't see the point in Launchpad. Well, maybe someone will like it. But please, Apple, let me drag the Launchpad off the dock, if I want (in the dev preview you can't do that).

[protocol7]

has anyone actually installed lion server? would like to know what is happening on that end at the moment (Y)

I installed it to see if I could enable FTP sharing. But I couldn't. I don't know what's new there as I've never used Server before.

I really hope someone releases a good customization tool for Lion. Just looking at that sidebar is depressing.

The way things are going, by 10.8 we could be right back to monochrome.

[Vice]

You could say the same thing for Lion that you said with Snow Leopard. Refinements and small niceties and speed upgrades.

No I really couldn't because what you see as niceties I see as annoyances. This is all personal opinion because many of the 'changes' they are including are not no-brainer improvements they are just changes for changing sake. My opinion of course..

[Priceless90]

if lion do support gaming,then it will be worth for upgrade..not saying the purpose for gaming but just a optional for some gamer..don't count out something that will never happen..

[revanmj]

OK I installed Lion on my MBP 13". I really like Launchpad, Mission Control and of course Mail 5. But signature recognition doesn't work - I get an error saying that I don't have a camera (but FaceTime, PhotoBoth, etc. works without any problems).

[giantsnyy]

if lion do support gaming,then it will be worth for upgrade..not saying the purpose for gaming but just a optional for some gamer..don't count out something that will never happen..

Uh... all versions of OS X support "gaming". It's the developers who don't.

[Jan Veteran]

Uh... all versions of OS X support "gaming". It's the developers who don't.

Too true.

[protocol7]

Uh... all versions of OS X support "gaming". It's the developers who don't.

Apple's outdated OpenGL implementations haven't helped though.

[Jan Veteran]

Apple's outdated OpenGL implementations haven't helped though.

True.

[PyX]

Uh... all versions of OS X support "gaming". It's the developers who don't.

Apple could have pushed things much further with OpenGL.

Leopard supported OpenGL 2.1. Snow Leopard had basic support for OpenGL 3.x and Lion will have complete support for OpenGL 3.2 and a little more.

So this is great news for game developers.

[giantsnyy]

Apple could have pushed things much further with OpenGL.

Leopard supported OpenGL 2.1. Snow Leopard had basic support for OpenGL 3.x and Lion will have complete support for OpenGL 3.2 and a little more.

So this is great news for game developers.

You could say it's been a bit of a double-edged sword tho. Apple didn't implement these things because there was no uprising from their developers...

Now that the Mac has become a larger platform, especially with the addition of the Mac App Store for all new Mac users, there are more game developers asking for the newer OpenGL standards to be included.

[PyX]

You could say it's been a bit of a double-edged sword tho. Apple didn't implement these things because there was no uprising from their developers...

Now that the Mac has become a larger platform, especially with the addition of the Mac App Store for all new Mac users, there are more game developers asking for the newer OpenGL standards to be included.

My point of view is, they didn’t care at all for games on Mac OS X.

But the growing number of games on iOS actually helped a lot to push the platform leaps beyond any other mobile platform.

From this point, Apple realized that video games could also help Mac OS X gain market share, and OS X users to have fun elsewhere than in their iLife suite :p

[Vice]

Gabe Newell from Valve once spoke in an interview about how he tried to get Apple moving on Gaming but Apple just wasn't interested. Apple have always had that attitude and you don't need to look far at their product range to get that impression.

I mean the Mac Pro isn't a gaming computer by any stretch of the imagination but at one time they were shipping them with 7300GT's standard. That is a very low end card. It's so low end it's not even recommended to run dual high resolution displays on that in just 2D desktop scenarios let alone 3D Games. Comparable workstations from other makers were shipping 7600GT's and above which are mid-range. Still under $100 cards. I'm going back a few years now obviously.

Apple has been shipping better cards recently and in line with other OEM's but I'd say in general they have been more focused on Games now more than ever before and I would say some of that is probably due to the iPhone and iPod Touch especially which has shown Gaming can be big business not for the software sales but because it drives hardware adoption.

[Unix2]

It is true that Lion will be only 64bit or its just for the developer version?

[Quillz]

It is true that Lion will be only 64bit or its just for the developer version?

It appears to only be 64-bit. You need a minimum Core 2 Duo to run it.

[PyX]

No I really couldn't because what you see as niceties I see as annoyances. This is all personal opinion because many of the 'changes' they are including are not no-brainer improvements they are just changes for changing sake. My opinion of course..

Well you have a few options left :

- wait for the WWDC where it will be unveiled with a few more features

- wait until you have to buy a new Mac, it'll come for free

- never buy it, never use it. you're not forced to and you'll save a few bucks

And yeah,Ii read about Gabe Newell. I can understand the guy. It's not like Apple has to help a 12 years old that'll change his mind in two weeks and will scrap everything...

[.Neo]

You won't miss Expose?

Like personally I use Expose every day it's been the foundation of my OS X experience ever since Panther. I really can't imagine using anything else to manage my windows. It just works and it's intuitive and quick. I mean realistically right now the Mission Control UI shows apps by their icons then stacks their windows. If I wanted to pick a running app I'd just click its icon in the dock. What I want is window management.

At some point you have to deal with the fact that not everything is going to stay the same. Next time you buy a new Mac it will run Mac OS X Lion, no way around it unless you get a second hand one.

And no Snow Leopard hasn't really made me more productive than Panther. But I know losing Expose would make me less productive due to how much I rely on it.

With this being a beta I'm still hoping Apple will do something about Mission Control's functionality. If a window is behind a smaller window you're now forced to use Dock Exposé. Mission Control is next to completely useless.

Springloading is gimped as f'ck in expose now :(

Try dragging files over expose'd windows, it doesn't automatically over em.

Yup. That sucks too. Hopefully it's a bug.

[Vice]

At some point you have to deal with the fact that not everything is going to stay the same. Next time you buy a new Mac it will run Mac OS X Lion, no way around it unless you get a second hand one.

In the event that I did buy a new Mac in the future then I'd just deactivate all the stuff I don't like and continue to use it like I have Snow Leopard. I'd lose Expose I guess but I could just code my own to get that function back. What I'm saying is I'm not going to pay for an OS I don't need. But if a new Mac is going to have it then I'll just try my best to make it work how I've always wanted it to.

Snow Leopard to me is an almost perfect OS from a UI perspective. They just need to clean up some of the menus and things. I'm a big fan of the Mac App Store. But they gave us that on Snow Leopard for free so no real reason for me to go out of my way and get Lion based on current Developer Preview. I shall see what WWDC brings, might make me change my mind about the whole thing.

[Xtreme $niper]

Apple also hides the Library folder that used to be in the home folder in Lion.

Yeah 'Go To Folder' and type in \Users\username\Library\

But that... seems to be contradictory, isn't it? If it's not visible in the home folder, then by going to the home folder you can't see it. Unless you're talking about via Terminal even though I asked about how to get there without Terminal...

Not surprising, but Java has been yanked from the OS by default, but like Flash it'll ask you to download it. Eh.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/27/no_java_in_mac_os_x_lion/

I kind of liked how Java was pre-installed, but if this means we can install the latest and greatest versions from Sun/Oracle directly then maybe it's a better option... I just hope it doesn't mean we have to put up with the constant "Java Update required!" that Windows users have to put up with every 3 days...

[.Neo]

Okay for some reason you can add applications to Launchpad by dropping them onto the Dock icon but you can't remove them?

[protocol7]

But that... seems to be contradictory, isn't it? If it's not visible in the home folder, then by going to the home folder you can't see it. Unless you're talking about via Terminal even though I asked about how to get there without Terminal...

IakobosJ means the "Go to folder" option in the "Go" menu. You type in the path you want to go to and it... well... goes there. You can just type in "~/Library" (minus the quotes) to get to it.

[Unix2]

It appears to only be 64-bit. You need a minimum Core 2 Duo to run it.

So Apple is ahead than Microsoft in dropping the 32bit processors in favor of the 64bit. Let see if Windows 8 will follow up.