F1: Greener engines (1.6L 4cyl) to be introduced from 2013

[Mr. Gibs]

The FIA's World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) has approved new regulations which will see the 2.4 litre V8s currently used by Formula One teams replaced by four cylinder 1.6 litre engines from 2013. The decision to give the go-ahead to the changes follows lengthy discussions between the FIA, engine manufacturers and specialists.

The more environmentally-friendly units are expected to deliver a 35 percent reduction in fuel consumption, whilst providing the same level of performance enjoyed by today's F1 drivers. Energy recovery systems and additional energy management will be utilised to ensure this is possible.

?The WMSC approved the introduction of a new specification engine from 2013, underlining the FIA?s commitment to improving sustainability and addressing the needs of the automotive industry,? explained the FIA. ?Following dialogue with the engine manufacturers and experts in this field, the power units will be four cylinders, 1.6 litre with high pressure gasoline injection up to 500 bar.?

Rev limits on the new engines will be reduced from the current 18,000 rpm to a maximum of 12,000 rpm.

An additional revision to the 2013 regulations will see a drop in the number of engines at drivers' disposal. Currently they can use eight units a season without penalty, but this will be limited to five in 2013 and reduced to four for subsequent seasons.

Source: Formula 1

:no: I miss the days of the giant v10s revving to like 22k

[Knife Party]

^ its time to move on ;)

[Mosqutus]

Ohhh dear, what's next, Smart cars puttering along Monza or Spa??

[tuckeratlarge]

In the days of old, the 80s, the Turbo engines of F1 cars were 1.5 Litres and developed well over 1000 BHP.

However I am getting a little bit peeved at all this 'green' crap. F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport and should reflect the bleeding edge of technology. Regardless of cost or that noughties bullcrap "carbon-footprint"

Engineers should be free to do what they want to the engines; e.g. exotic materials, size and shape and anything they can think of to go faster.

[Subject Delta]

I have said it before, and I will say it again

Formula 1 will NEVER be road relevant, and I also blame the regulatory limits as part of the reason it's so hard to overtake, the lack of development makes it impossible to gain a serious advantage with your engine, and removes one source of competition in F1.

[Knife Party]

^ thats the whole point of F1, its competition on a level basis, this is true competition. When everyone drives the same car template design, then results are dependent on the driver's ability to perform and collectively with his team. If everyone had their fancy designs and whatnot, things would become insanely unsportsmanship like.

the whole Green drive is a good thing, design and research is done to A. reduce engine size and requirements B. increase effiency and output/performance. How is that not moving forward? F1 can't stay in a rutt with V12 engines with massive amouts of HP which realistically isn't even used because they can't put down the power as they should.

[He's Dead Jim]

These new regs are a great step in the right direction, and will help to mitigate the celebratory circus of depletion of the planets finite resources that F1 is perceived as by some.

[e-berlin.org]

^ thats the whole point of F1, its competition on a level basis, this is true competition. When everyone drives the same car template design, then results are dependent on the driver's ability to perform and collectively with his team. If everyone had their fancy designs and whatnot, things would become insanely unsportsmanship like.

the whole Green drive is a good thing, design and research is done to A. reduce engine size and requirements B. increase effiency and output/performance. How is that not moving forward? F1 can't stay in a rutt with V12 engines with massive amouts of HP which realistically isn't even used because they can't put down the power as they should.

^ This. 100% what I'm thinking.

[Subject Delta]

^ thats the whole point of F1, its competition on a level basis, this is true competition. When everyone drives the same car template design, then results are dependent on the driver's ability to perform and collectively with his team. If everyone had their fancy designs and whatnot, things would become insanely unsportsmanship like.

the whole Green drive is a good thing, design and research is done to A. reduce engine size and requirements B. increase effiency and output/performance. How is that not moving forward? F1 can't stay in a rutt with V12 engines with massive amouts of HP which realistically isn't even used because they can't put down the power as they should.

No, the whole point of F1 is that is is supposed to be as much of an engineering competition as it is a drivers competition. The whole point is that it is not just another stock car series. It is called the pinnacle of motorsport, and it wouldn't be the pinnacle of motorsport if it was turned into another crappy stock car series.

[tomjol]

^ thats the whole point of F1, its competition on a level basis, this is true competition. When everyone drives the same car template design, then results are dependent on the driver's ability to perform and collectively with his team. If everyone had their fancy designs and whatnot, things would become insanely unsportsmanship like.

the whole Green drive is a good thing, design and research is done to A. reduce engine size and requirements B. increase effiency and output/performance. How is that not moving forward? F1 can't stay in a rutt with V12 engines with massive amouts of HP which realistically isn't even used because they can't put down the power as they should.

That is not the whole point of F1 at all, it is not about competition on a level basis. It is not a spec series, it has never been a spec series, and hopefully it will never be a spec series. Do you even know anything about it? There hasn't been a V12 in F1 in fifteen years, and they "put the power down" just fine.

For the record, I'm not anti- this change. While I would love to see a return to high-capacity, high-cylinder count engines, the V8s are already pretty far from historical tradition, and life goes on.

[Knife Party]

^ Yes, i am aware v12's weren't used, it was used as a referance point to explain why moving away from excessive power and fuel consumption engines in the past to newer more efficient engineering designs is ultimately the goal. And yes, I do watch F1, so stating "Do you even know anything about it?" is somewhat uncalled for. S

[tomjol]

^ Yes, i am aware v12's weren't used, it was used as a referance point to explain why moving away from excessive power and fuel consumption engines in the past to newer more efficient engineering designs is ultimately the goal. And yes, I do watch F1, so stating "Do you even know anything about it?" is somewhat uncalled for. S

Well, to quote your previous post:

^ thats the whole point of F1, its competition on a level basis, this is true competition. When everyone drives the same car template design, then results are dependent on the driver's ability to perform and collectively with his team. If everyone had their fancy designs and whatnot, things would become insanely unsportsmanship like.

Either you're watching something other than F1, or you seriously misunderstand how it works.

This is what F1 is about. 1.5l V6 turbo Renault vs 3.0l flat-12 Ferrari. Not very 'template design', is it?

Again for the record, I agree on your actual point.

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

^ great video. This year's WDC would have crashed and taken his opponent out in a similar situation..

As to the engine formula for 2013 and onwards - it can work out. I have faith in the various engineers to make sure F1 does not become a spec racing series like GP2.

[Knife Party]

Well, to quote your previous post:

Either you're watching something other than F1, or you seriously misunderstand how it works.

This is what F1 is about. 1.5l V6 turbo Renault vs 3.0l flat-12 Ferrari. Not very 'template design', is it?

Again for the record, I agree on your actual point.

i was actually using the v12 example as exceggerated non factual claim, i know, was a bit confusing sorry for that.