Opera 11 is better than the latest Chrome and Firefox Nightlies


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Well, this whole thread is blatant flamebait, but what the hey. Just a few days ago I went and installed all the nightlies of Opera 11, Chromium, and Firefox 4. (I went with Chromium as I don't need the inane "update services" and all that other Google crap running in the background.)

Chromium, at least on my rig, handled javascript exceedingly quick, but the rest of the browser not so much. Wasn't slow, but it certainly wasn't impressive either.. not sure if it was a configuration error, but out of the box it as pretty underwhelming. Wasn't terribly impressed with the memory usage as well.. a few times it flew past FF4's usage. The one thing that struck me interesting was it's 'app store'. Novel idea, but my desktop runs desktop apps, and if I wanted an 'app store', I'd buy an Android or iPad.

Opera was pretty much identical in performance.. fast under the hood, but the browser itself was a "meh" at best. The few extensions that I tried failed miserably (at best buggy, at worst didn't run at all or even crashed the browser), but granted that's a "new" concept for Opera and it is a nightly, so to be expected I guess.. hopefully they get it worked out. As it stands currently though, borderline useless. Other than that, it's the same super-inflexible Opera that I've grown to dislike.

FF4 (Minefield nightly, not B7) on the other hand was almost as fast as Chromium in the JS department, but the browser itself was very fast.. just for a test IE's Fishtank demo for example, FF4 was the only one that I got a framerate that capped at my display's refresh speed, the other browsers weren't even close. Same with Futuremark's browser benchmark, overall I had better results with FF4. Regular browsing was near instant, no waiting. Plus FF4 still has by far the most and best extendability of any browser, period. I have still yet to find another browser with an AdBlock/NoScript type setup that actually comes even close to being as good.. they all have knockoffs, but they all fail to impress.

If pure JS speed is all that matters for you, then by all means go with Opera or Chrome. Me though, I prefer my browser to be a bit more flexible. Does it really matter what I think? Not in the least, nor do I care in the slightest what anyone else thinks. Find the one you like and stick with it, pat yourself on the back for making a decision. No need to start these inane threads though.

Flame on.

:laugh:

This is not the same as clearing your history upon exit, and there is no option to go into incognito mode every time within the browser. You have to actually add some information to the shortcut, which Google knows most people simply won't do.

Point being, I find this whole "omg google is spaiing on me" crap just a bit tiring. Don't like don't use it. But it's far better than Opera. At least Google didn't have to complain to the EU to get a >1% increase in its market share. That is the main reason I don't use Opera on my desktop. Opera Mobile on the other hand is the best. I'll agree there.

I don't use email or IRC either. It doesn't even get in my way. I just think it's funny that a Chrome installation is 30 MB while the Opera 11 installation is only 7 MB despite all that extra stuff. :whistle:

I have 1.5TB of hard drive space., why do I care how big it is? :p

EDIT:

On Windows, Opera is now installed via a custom self extracting 7Zip archive, so it's lighter than a ZIP :p Heck, you can rename it as .7z file and extract out of it yourself, and Opera also allows portable installations by default now too (: It's also got the smallest install file of any Windows browser.

And if you don't need the Mail or IRC, just don't take notice. Many, many people who use Opera don't have clue it was a working mail client or IRC, because their out of your way, and they don't clutter or effect your interface in any, or effect memory usage.

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What I meant was there is no installer with a zip file. I wasn't talking about size. Who cares about size right? :p

^ yawn, i'm sorry but I have to agree with Jen here, its pure flamebait. Coming here, making a thread then saying browser X is better than browsers A and B, then only focusing on the shortcomings of those rivals is one sided and driven by flawed logic. Opera has shortcomings just as firefox, chrome and others do, and honestly he is yet to reply to my question fully, I asked for flaws of the browser, I get an answer which doesn't even mention things such as lack of hardware acceleration, poor addons system compared to Firefox, somewhat excessive memory usage sometimes due to agressive caching, slow startup relative to Chrome for example and so on. Those would be critiques of Opera....

so other than low marketshare and only recent extensions , you're arguing that Opera has no flaws? :rolleyes:

If you'd like to point some out to me, I might agree with you.

^ yawn, i'm sorry but I have to agree with Jen here, its pure flamebait. Coming here, making a thread then saying browser X is better than browsers A and B, then only focusing on the shortcomings of those rivals is one sided and driven by flawed logic. Opera has shortcomings just as firefox, chrome and others do, and honestly he is yet to reply to my question fully, I asked for flaws of the browser, I get an answer which doesn't even mention things such as lack of hardware acceleration, poor addons system compared to Firefox, somewhat excessive memory usage sometimes due to agressive caching, slow startup relative to Chrome for example and so on. Those would be critiques of Opera....

Ah, there we go. Had to edit this response in.

1) Lack of hardware acceleration? Really? I mean, there isn't even a stable browser that has this fully implemented yet! Are you really going to call that a negative? It will probably pop up in Opera 12, which will in all likelihood start going into alpha soon after Firefox 4 goes stable, which doesnt look like its going to happen for another 3-4 months at the pace its going. Also, Chrome doesn't even have this fully implemented yet even in Chrome 10 nightlies. Until most stable browsers have this as a standard feature, you can't call the lack of HW acceleration a negative, because there isn't anything to negate from in the first place!

2) Poor addons system? It's practically the same open standard found in Chrome. I don't have to restart to install my extensions with either browser, and you're calling that poor?

3) Sorry, but while Firefox may use less memory than Opera, Chrome uses the most memory. Opera uses less than half the memory of Chrome.

http://lifehacker.com/5711040/browser-speed-tests-ie-9-firefox-4-beta-chromes-crankshaft-and-opera-11-beta?skyline=true&s=i

4) It starts up the same as Chrome for me, and this link shows it as well.

Boot-Up and Warm Loading—Winner: Tie—Chrome 10 (Canary) and Opera 10!

When it comes to cold boot-ups (a.k.a. just after booting up), Opera has the ever-so-slight edge. When booting up again, or bringing up after a little inactivity, Opera and Chrome 10, in its "Canary" form, are nearly instant in raising up—so close that human-measured timers might be too close to call. Firefox 4 beta 7 had some seriously long start-up delays, such that we were throwing out 20-second results more than once to try and reach equilibrium.

http://lifehacker.com/5711040/browser-speed-tests-ie-9-firefox-4-beta-chromes-crankshaft-and-opera-11-beta?skyline=true&s=i

Maybe you need to get a better computer because Opera works fine in terms of startup, and I've been a Chromium user for a year now before I switched to Opera.

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i will stick to my firefox for now and from time to time i go to chrome but only when im in the mood :) i have never liked opera and will never download it , it really dislikes my pogo games when i play them

i will stick to my firefox for now and from time to time i go to chrome but only when im in the mood :) i have never liked opera and will never download it , it really dislikes my pogo games when i play them

How do you explain me playing Pogo Monopoly right now on Opera with no issue?

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Okay, even as an Opera user I find the 'spying' allegations made against Google a bit ridiculous. You can disable search suggestions if you like, and for the record all other browsers do the exact same thing as Chrome. Actually, for Opera I can't find a user-configurable option to prevent search suggestions from appearing.

it never works for me and i get errors from opera so its just not pogo i have other reasons for not liking opera

How do you explain me playing Pogo Monopoly right now on Opera with no issue?

I really like Opera, but there are still some rendering issues with some websites that I run into. Also sometimes the smooth scrolls starts stuttering when there are flash elements (such as embedded youtube videos) on a page.

Webkit is just weird on some pages as Presto can be. Trident and Gecko are the only ones that have few problems simply because most webmasters test their sites with IE and Firefox because they are #1 and #2. It's as simple as that. Chrome had to remove their smooth scroll when it was causing browser crashes. You can turn it off easily.

I really like Opera, but there are still some rendering issues with some websites that I run into. Also sometimes the smooth scrolls starts stuttering when there are flash elements (such as embedded youtube videos) on a page.

This. Plus I really wish I could use Opera. It's just really wonky at times. The most stable browser for me has been Chrome. Firefox crashes every once in a while and I lose all my tabs. Not fun. Opera is my secondary browser with chrome as the first. I also love chrome's minimalism with only 3 buttons. Yum. More space to view the page with :)

Why i probably wont use Opera

Legal issue creating that 'click to activate object' on youtube videos/anything with flash...irritates me

Chrome/Opera wont have has good extensions as firefox

Website Compatibility with Firefox is still top notch compared to the alternatives

Why i even considered opera

Speed

UI is great, i love it

Stability

Smooth scrolling is just perfect in it

Hello everybody, I've been reading this forum for a long time and decided to finally post something I felt was lacking in this subforum.

I've been using Firefox since before it was called Firefox, and I've switched to Chrome last year but recently I've been using Opera 11 and its become my default browser.

Why Firefox is lacking: The interface is terribly slow compared to the other 2 browsers, Gecko is notorious for being very slow due to the sheer amount of code, and even the Minefield nightlies continue to lag behind even Chrome and Opera stable versions in terms of compliance and speed. While it may have the biggest amount of extensions, it is only this fact that is keeping people in the Firefox world. Once extensions development approaches the comprehensiveness of Firefox's ecosystem, I see many users going to Chrome instead of Firefox. In other words, unless Mozilla can rewrite Firefox from scratch, I don't see how it can possibly compete with the Webkit browsers alone and I can see Chrome being the #2 browser for Windows by 2014 or so.

Why Chrome is lacking: Despite its massive gains over Firefox in terms of speed, compliance and UI responsiveness, it still has a lot of basic issues to deal with that continue to be ignored by Google: Why can't I manage the cache? Why can't I delete my history upon exiting the browser. I would say that that has a lot of to do with the spying that Chrome does with your browsing sessions. It can't create a profile of your browsing habits efficiently if you keep clearing out your history, as many people would choose to do. Also, the download manager is terrible and copy and paste functions continue to be extremely buggy on many website. Why does it have to save every torrent file I open? Why does it have to open the download bar when I right click save an image? All these things should have been fixed by now, but they aren't, because Google is too busy on only 2 things: 1) Performance 2) Finding new ways to mine your data, such as their sync, cloud print, and DNS options. While Chrome is faster than Firefox in many ways, it is not as good a browser in terms of features and privacy options, simply because Google is an advertising company, and the more control you have over your browser, the less of your data it can keep. There's a reason why there's an 11 page thread on this forum called "Things you hate about Chrome", you know!

Why Opera is best: Recent benchmarks show that Opera is similar to Chrome in terms of speed, and the interface is just as responsive while still using less memory than Chrome (but still more memory than Firefox) Best of all, Opera 11 now has extensions that are very similar to Chrome and every Chrome extension can be easily ported to Opera. Through these open standards, it is easier than ever to write an extension for a browser. With Opera, you get all the strengths of both Firefox and Chrome: You get Chrome's speed and Firefox's featureset, with even more built-in, like native content blocking, email, IRC, etc. You even get built-in Greasemonkey script support! There is really no reason to use either Chrome or Firefox when Opera simply combines the two in a lightweight installation.

Try Opera 11 when it becomes stable this month, guys, and get all the benefits of Chrome while not sacrificing even the basic browser that Firefox provides, and start from scratch with its new extension support.

Love how you have been reading the forum for a long tim but decided to join today? Was it just for this post or are you actually going from site to site promoting it. You have never commented on anything in this entire forum and yet you will join one day and write a topic? Kinda hard to trust you.

Why i probably wont use Opera

Legal issue creating that 'click to activate object' on youtube videos/anything with flash...irritates me

I guess you didn't see the new features of Opera 11. Check out new feature #9.

1. Tab stacking

Opera pioneered powerful tabs. In Opera 11, tab stacking lets you drag one tab over another to create a group. Now, you can keep dozens of webpages open, organized and under control.

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2. A safer address field

Opera's new address field hides the complexity of long web addresses and gives you better control of your security when browsing. Click on the badge for the website to see information about the site you are visiting. You can even get information about Opera Turbo data savings.

3. Extensions support

You can now browse Opera's extensions catalog to add new functionality easily and customize Opera just how you want it.

4. Visual mouse gestures

Mouse gestures are another Opera innovation that has been made easier-to-use with the addition of an interface that guides you. This allows new users to discover the speed and power that mouse gestures offer.

5. Better performance

Our developers have been hard at work fine-tuning our browser engine to put Opera even further ahead in a number of benchmarks. In Opera 11, pages load faster and complex applications run more smoothly.

6. Enhanced HTML5 support

Support for new standards and HTML5 technologies means that rich, dynamic web applications and multiplayer games can be supported by Opera 11.

7. Extended auto-update

A new auto-update system ensures that your extensions and Opera Unite apps are always up to date with the latest enhancements.

8. Search predictions from Google

Search suggestions predict queries as you type, making searching quicker and easier. Google search predictions are now built into Opera. When using the search field or searching from the address field with the 'g' search keyword, Google search predictions will appear.

9. Plug-ins only on demand

An option has now been added to have plug-ins such as Flash content load only when clicked. This is especially helpful to speed up browsing on computers that have difficulty handling lots of plug-in content.

10. Enhanced email in your browser

A new mail panel gives you control over the order in which your accounts and mail items show up. You can just drag items where you want them. The mail panel can also show your mail panel when you are using it and hide when you leave a mail tab.

11. Faster installation

Even with its many new features, Opera 11 is 30% smaller than Opera 10.60. That means that Opera downloads more quickly and installs in fewer steps. Getting Opera on your computer is easier than ever.

Yeah, but the logo sucks (only 50% joking) :)

Seriously though... Opera 11 wastes space.... the Menu button could be alongside your first tab. Instead though it's above and you have all that glass above your tabs just wasted. Secondly, separate search bars are completely and utterly unnecessary. Can I remove it and search from the address bar like most other browsers are doing now?

1) You clearly didn't try to maximize your window since it does this when maximized:

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2) Yes, you can remove the search from the address bar. Right click on it, go down to customize and then select "Remove From Toolbar" and it goes away.

I can't stand Opera, I've never liked it..

There's a reason why it lives at ~3% market share.. And it's not because no one knows about it, hell even my parents knew about it in the late 90's because it would be on the news about being an alternative to IE NN and crap like that.. It was meh then and it's meh now..

Add to that the company I hate.. Where's their ballot screen for e-mail and IRC when you install their browser ? After all that bitching about IE bundled with Windows you'd think they would hold themselves to the same standard..

Plus as a web developer I find Opera to be the most finicky of all browsers.. IE has it's issues but after a few months you know them.. Chrome and Safari get it right 99.9% of the time, FF get's it right 99.8% of the time.. Opera there's always something I find that just wants ti fight with me.. Rarely do I waste the time on it though, for the 0.2% of the people that hit the site with it, it's not worth my pay.

I'll stick with Chrome for my day to day stuff ( Normally Chrome Canary, only been one build [ read one day ] that I found it to be buggy enough to not want to use ), with IE9 as my backup..

FF is ok but I don't care to use it because I find the community has almost as big a chip on their shoulders as Linux people.. That is to say they generally say if you aren't using it your an idiot and look down on everyone :p

Safari is great on MacOS, but not close to being there on Windows yet..

Point being, I find this whole "omg google is spaiing on me" crap just a bit tiring. Don't like don't use it. But it's far better than Opera. At least Google didn't have to complain to the EU to get a >1% increase in its market share. That is the main reason I don't use Opera on my desktop. Opera Mobile on the other hand is the best. I'll agree there.

You think Opera complained to get an increase in market share? You think Google and Mozilla??complained to get an even bigger increase in market share?

You shouldn't use Google and Mozilla either. You should use Microsoft.

http://www.google.co...lain+mozilla+eu

What a stupid reason.

Why i probably wont use Opera

Legal issue creating that 'click to activate object' on youtube videos/anything with flash...irritates me

Patch the DLL:

http://my.opera.com/...-bites-the-dust

http://my.opera.com/...es/blog/xanocta

I can't stand Opera, I've never liked it..

There's a reason why it lives at ~3% market share.. And it's not because no one knows about it, hell even my parents knew about it in the late 90's because it would be on the news about being an alternative to IE NN and crap like that.. It was meh then and it's meh now..

Do your reasons prove that Opera has small market share? Sorry, not everyone watches the news like your parents. Sorry, not everyone is born before the late 90s.

Skyfire has been on the news. Does this mean that everyone knows about Skyfire?

Add to that the company I hate.. Where's their ballot screen for e-mail and IRC when you install their browser ? After all that bitching about IE bundled with Windows you'd think they would hold themselves to the same standard..

Sorry, ballot screen only applies to monopolies and illegal-ness.

Opera is a great browser. It's what I use today.

But I think this thread reeks of Opera fanboyism and is hurting their image here more than it is supporting them.

Oh, I have one complaint: the inability to drag and drop a tab into a bookmark folder on the bookmark tab. That should've been standard. So it's half as useful as it could be.

The only flaws I can see are that it isn't as popular (less than 3% marketshare) and only has 195 extensions at the moment.

No native menus, poor menu structure, its interface isn't very complaint with some web apps (try using meebo and popping out windows, opera absolutely refuses to do this properly)

-opera user.

No native menus, poor menu structure, its interface isn't very complaint with some web apps (try using meebo and popping out windows, opera absolutely refuses to do this properly)

-opera user.

I'll agree that menus need a bit of work, and you're right, I just tried popping out a window with Meebo and it screwed up. Good thing I don't pop them out at all. I guess these are issues that should be addressed.

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Post Setup (ZimaOS update) Upon first boot, you are alerted that there is a ZimaOS update from 1.5.0 to 1.6.1, which I applied; the full process is shown above with the changelog. ZimaBoard 2 Storage Setup Next, it is time to set up the storage. ZimaOS actually throws everything onto the eMMC flash drive; it is also the default location of AppData, which is definitely something to be wary about, as the 45GB available storage could fill up quickly. HDDs I first attempted to create a Storage Pool using the two 4TB WD Red Plus NAS drives, and got an error message: After several attempts and then looking online, I discovered it was a bug with ZimaOS where the fix was simply to reboot ZimaOS and then try again, this time I was able to create a RAID mirror using the two drives. SSDs I did the same for the SSDs, as you will see in the above gallery, when I created the second Storage Pool, it only allowed me to select available drives. 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In my case, all I had to do was add the media path I just created, which you can also browse to using the folder icon in the path field. In addition, you can now map the new Media library in Windows Explorer using the Zima Client. Oddly enough, it is not possible to access the ZimaBoard 2 over the Network Neighborhood; you must map drives using the client, which is shown in the last image in the above gallery. I watched one of my Blu-Ray rips, which is Dolby Vision with Dolby Atmos, and the content played fine with no stuttering or buffering, which is what anyone needs in this scenario. ZimaBoard 2 Zima Client mobile app There's also a client for mobile. It is pretty barebones, as shown in the above gallery, for example, the Apps screen launches the WebUI for that app, and the Backup must be done manually. On opening Backup, you can select internal storage folders on your phone to backup to the ZimaBoard 2's storage, and although this is constantly scanned, the backup action itself must be manually triggered. There is an option to allow foreground backup (last image in the above gallery), but this basically means the queued backup gets triggered when you manually open the app. Benchmarking SATA PCIe 3.0 X4 A CrystalDiskMark test on a mapped network drive from within a Windows 11 25H2 PC (image above) connected over a 2.5 GbE was well within acceptable ranges. Writes were generally better on the SSD RAID mirror. SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 I also ran the NAS Performance tester, which tests the link speed performance. As you can see, it pretty much maxes out the 2.5GbE connection. Of course, you can also opt to bond the two 2.5 GbE connections for a bit more umph, but I didn't do that. Thermals Top PCIe card SATA HDDs Next, I measured some hotspots while playing content on Plex. It's fair to say this will perform better than a NAS that is enclosed in a metal or plastic case, as almost everything storage-wise is exposed! Anyway, the ZimaBoard 2 did not break a sweat with Plex streaming or disk benchmarks. ZimaOS Factory Reset ZimaOS does not include a factory reset option. Instead, you have to download the ZimaOS image and flash it to the eMMC manually. The flashing process is shown in the above gallery. The steps to do so are listed below: Download the ZimaOS image here; Open BalenaEtcher (Run as Administrator) and select the image; Select your inserted USB drive (min 8 GB) Flash to it; Connect your USB drive, monitor, keyboard, USB hub (optional), mouse (optional), and network cable (recommended) to the ZimaBoard 2; Connect power and press F11 continuously; Select your USB drive starting with UEFI in the boot device menu; Press Enter on the Install ZimaOS option; Select /dev/mmcblk0 (MMC) flash drive as target; Confirm with (three times) to wipe the target disk; Wait a couple of minutes while ZimaOS installs; Remove the USB drive and confirm with a reboot; Your ZimaBoard 2 has been factory reset. However, you don't have to stick with ZimaOS, in fact the company also offers official CasaOS images, that are based on Debian; or as they say themselves, put anything you want on this "hackable single board server" it's up to you. Conclusion I had a lot of fun putting this together. I've custom-built all my own PCs and servers since the 90s, and this is the first time I have had to put a NAS together. Even if the actual base ZimaBoard 2 was already a completed build, it still feels pretty custom. I just wish that IceWhale Technology included a getting-started guide in the box for the Start Kit, which would have really completed this kit. Instead, I had to search for the official video on the YouTube channel to make sure I wasn't doing anything wrong. So who is this for? Definitely the hobbyist who is comfortable building their own PC and servers. It also has a much smaller footprint than its nearest equivalent (in terms of specs), like the Beelink Me Pro, which is another NAS I will be testing soon. Although the Beelink does not come with the PCIe 3.0 X4 expansion, the ZimaBoard 2 Starter Kit suddenly looks to be a great bargain, even if it only offers the two 3.5-inch bays over the four in the other example. It makes a lot of sense to use Intel's N150 chip inside a NAS; it is more than capable of doing what the ZimaBoard 2 is intended for, media streaming and backup. It also looks like the IceWhale Technology staff are quite active in the official forums helping people with issues they come across with ZimaOS and the devices, peer support seems to be good as well, I was quickly able to find why I was not able to create a new Storage Pool in ZimaOS v1.6.1 even though that is quite a serious bug, hopefully it will be fixed in the next update. If you are comfortable with the command line and Docker, you'll be fine. You can do great things with this hardware. This was my first time with ZimaOS. It seems a bit barebones in comparison to the likes of Synology DSM, TOS, and UGOS, but it has a ton of apps to get you started with your home or small business NAS. Where to buy As of publishing, IceWhale Technology is running a discount of up to 5% for the Starter Kit. If you opt to get just the ZimaBoard 2 itself, it does come with a SATA Y-Cable, so you will be able to connect up to two 3.5-inch HDDs to it. ZimaBoard 2 1668 Starter Kit for $534.50 on Amazon US (was $548.60) ZimaBoard 2 832 Starter Kit for $372.88 on Amazon US (was $390.60) Zimaboard 2 1668 (16GB+64GB) for $419.90 on Amazon US Zimaboard 2 832 (8GB+32GB) for $359.90 on Amazon Disclosure: IceWhale Technology provided a free sample without any editorial input or review pre-approval. Good to know The Amazon link is U.S. specific, and not available in other regions unless specified. We only use first-party seller links (at the time of article publishing); ensure that you purchase from a first-party seller link only. Check out Today's Deals on Amazon | or our recent tech deals. 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    • It's in the Insider's group so yes it's technically beta, though these days it's hard to see much of a difference unless you opt for the most extreme beta builds, which I don't. When I moved here from the Release Preview channel I did so primarily because I wanted to see how well the restored taskbar functionality (restored from Win10, and earlier) is working and whether it was time to finally abandon SAB--and it is--working fine, so far. Not as polished as SAB, but it'll do for me.
    • I've been using MWB Premium for a number of years so that along with Windows updates and updated browser should be fine. Thanks for that.
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