Bing Sets The Record Straight

[rfirth]

Ahhhhhhh. That would blow away this whole situation.

Is there a source for the "20 Google Engineers" though?

Yes, that is what Google said in their own blog post:

"We gave 20 of our engineers laptops with a fresh install of Microsoft Windows running Internet Explorer 8 with Bing Toolbar installed. As part of the install process, we opted in to the ?Suggested Sites? feature of IE8, and we accepted the default options for the Bing Toolbar. We asked these engineers to enter the synthetic queries into the search box on the Google home page, and click on the results, i.e., the results we inserted."

Source: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/02/microsofts-bing-uses-google-search.html

[+DonC Subscriber²]

Which ends up the same, Bing takes the results from Google and uses them :whistle:

No, this is the precisely the confusion that Google are creating!

Bing is responding to the clickstream generated by the end user. The actual content of the Google search result page is irrelevant, except that it guided the end user to go there.

The way that Google have constructed this whole drama is to make people believe that Bing are scraping the content of Google search result pages.

[DukeEsquire]

Which ends up the same, Bing takes the results from Google and uses them :whistle:

From what I understand, the Bing toolbar doesn't care if you got there through Google or Yahoo or any other search engine. As long as you ended up at ABC.com after typing OIASNDOIASND, then it knows if you type OIASNDOIASND, you actually mean to go to ABC.com.

I wonder if the Google Toolbar does the same thing.

[Ironman273]

You'd be pretty surprised :rolleyes:

The honeypot showed that it can bring completely irrelevant results to the engine (not a good thing) and they showed examples where Google automatically "fixes" spelling errors, sometimes they can be wrong and it would bring irrelevant results to Bing that way too

I'm not going to repeat what everyone has already said, but, dude, get your head out of Google's ass and look at the facts. I like Google as much as the next guy, but this was Google generating results.

[nohone]

I thought that taking data that was out there in the public and could be scrapped was fair game.

Hypocrisy of Google - it is OK for them to drive by your house, take your MAC address, your geographic location and sell that information without your permission. But Google uses entrapment-style tactics, and it is Bing who is supposedly the theif.

And don't forget, this is the same Google that was caught stealing code a few weeks ago.

[Rigby]

I thought that taking data that was out there in the public and could be scrapped was fair game.

Hypocrisy of Google - it is OK for them to drive by your house, take your MAC address, your geographic location and sell that information without your permission. But Google uses entrapment-style tactics, and it is Bing who is supposedly the theif.

And don't forget, this is the same Google that was caught stealing code a few weeks ago.

Exactly. Google is just an advertising company, and a huge one. They will lie, cheat, and do anything they can to make money. People need to stop fawning over them like they're still the small company they started out as; those days are long gone.

Do no evil? Yeah right. They're as underhanded and dirty as Microsoft ever was.

[guru]

and what about wikipedia? :rolleyes:

Looks indeed some PR stunt by google..

(read the blog post: http://teusje.wordpress.com/2011/02/02/google-bing/ to understand)

whoa! thanks for the link. funny why no tech site has mentioned this yet. including neowin.

i'm beginning to think Steve Jobs was right when he called Google's "Do no evil" BS

[+dave164 Subscriber¹]

whoa! thanks for the link. funny why no tech site has mentioned this yet. including neowin.

i'm beginning to think Steve Jobs was right when he called Google's "Do no evil" BS

Yeah, I use to be a fan of Google but with everything thats happening recently and more and more horror stories coming out about Google and data privacy I just want rid.

I have moved 95% to Bing, some things you have to go to Google for though. I am still using Chrome as it suits me, and use to be a Firefox user but I dare say when IE9 comes along I will give that it's fair chance.

[Rudy]

To be honest I'll use whatever engine gives me the best results (when I first started searching online it was altavista and I moved to google when it surpassed it). Right now I'm sticking to Google

[+dave164 Subscriber¹]

Another good article http://content.usatoday.com/communities/technologylive/post/2011/02/microsoft-says-google-used-click-fraud-to-pull-of-bing-sting/1?csp=34

[MindTrickz]

There is a reason why Google has 90% + of the World Wide Search market: And that is because it is the best. The ONYL Country Bing is relevant in is America.

[thenonhacker]

Google you sneaky!

[George P Global Moderator]

There is a reason why Google has 90% + of the World Wide Search market: And that is because it is the best. The ONYL Country Bing is relevant in is America.

Hey, guess where google started to become relevent all those years ago when the whole world was still using Yahoo or one of the other now-dead search engines.... wait for it....ya, I think it was the US.

When something tech related gets big in the US it bleeds out into the rest of the world, this is also the same for other things as well, pop music anyone? Fact is Bing is growing it's share month after month in the US, and it seems google is freaking out about it now. If this is how google reacted to just the US market what would happen when Bing starts to add all those US features to the rest of the world and start to gain share there as well? Mass panic?

Someone needs to give them a box of tissues, cry me a river google.

[jakem1]

There is a reason why Google has 90% + of the World Wide Search market: And that is because it is the best. The ONYL Country Bing is relevant in is America.

That's not entirely true. Bing offers a number of extra features in the US that aren't available worldwide but their basic search results are pretty much the same as Google's. As for Google being the best, I know a number of people who dumped them for Bing recently because those instant results are so annoying.

[HawkMan]

From what I understand, the Bing toolbar doesn't care if you got there through Google or Yahoo or any other search engine. As long as you ended up at ABC.com after typing OIASNDOIASND, then it knows if you type OIASNDOIASND, you actually mean to go to ABC.com.

I wonder if the Google Toolbar does the same thing.

it does, remember way back when people used the google toolbar because IE didn't have a separate search field, every time you installed the google toolbar it would ask to send anonymous user data to google.

[George P Global Moderator]

Google doesn't really need a toolbar anymore, they have a whole browser that does the same thing, Chrome. That's why there's also Iron which is chrome without all the google spying going on.

[HawkMan]

What if you enjoy having your webpages load slow because chrome inists on checking in with google analytics halfway through loading every time :p

[GeekTwo]

What the hell could they copy from Bing? NOTHING.

Unless, of course, you're talking about backgrounds or something.

Google's search results are better than Bing. Always have been, always will be......

Always. From time to time I swap to Bing search on the iPhone ( just for a change ) and Bing has to be the biggest pile of rubbish ever produced and sold as a search service. I'd rather have a manual directory any day than have to use only Bing.

As a side note however, Yahoo isin't too bad these days for some reason, Google is still way better in terms of relevance though.

[XIII]

Corporations lie and do mudslinging at each other all the time. Just use what you find most comfortable. Problem solved.

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

In simple terms, Google?s ?experiment? was rigged to manipulate Bing search results through a type of attack also known as ?click fraud.?

Heh, I like that. It's Google's fault Bing copied the bad results!

[game_over]

I've tried using Bing a couple of times but searching for something local just gives me results for america (i'm from UK)... Google seems to list on localisation. I have to scroll further down the page to get what i am looking for with Bing, where as google will usually hit the spot first result

[Kpssst]

Always. From time to time I swap to Bing search on the iPhone ( just for a change ) and Bing has to be the biggest pile of rubbish ever produced and sold as a search service. I'd rather have a manual directory any day than have to use only Bing.

As a side note however, Yahoo isin't too bad these days for some reason, Google is still way better in terms of relevance though.

Yahoo IS Bing these days. Can't find the results better for one than the other..

[HawkMan]

Heh, I like that. It's Google's fault Bing copied the bad results!

They didn't copy the search results though, they did what google has doen since they started. they saw what users typed, where they wanted to go, and collated this automatically behind the scenes.

[oceanmotion]

Unfortunate for Bing as Google got their sucker punch headline regardless of being true or not. I doubt many media outlets will follow up on this or be noticed by many people. You will probably hear "Did you know Bing copies Google results" from random folk in the near future.

[Ironman273]

Heh, I like that. It's Google's fault Bing copied the bad results!

You're simplifying something that has been explained. Google employees used the Bing search bar to "teach" it that end users wanted a bad result. Then after molding the results they want, they claim Bing was copying.

As for GeekTwo, as geeman89 pointed out, from about the middle of last year, Yahoo started using Bing results for their engine instead of continuing their own search algorithm. I guess it's the placebo effect. You want to hate Bing, so you do, regardless of real results.