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When that happens I stop using the Nightly builds unless it is a choice.

I am talking about Metro (Windows 8 UI) which will be available for Windows 8 users, we Windows 7 users don't have to deal with it. You are mixing Australis (curvy tab look) with Metro UI.

Australis is also work in progress on ux branch.

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^ If everything went well then it may...

Another arewe___ site is up now , http://arewestableyet.com/ , and it is awkward to see Aurora/Nightly to be more stable , or maybe it has to do with the amount of testers .

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Why not this thread got pinned while moderator pinned Meet Chrome Next??? Might be chrome was moderator favourite browser... LOL!!!!

Please anyone request moderators to pin this as well.

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Another arewe___ site is up now , http://arewestableyet.com/ , and it is awkward to see Aurora/Nightly to be more stable , or maybe it has to do with the amount of testers .

My guess - a lot of the general public have weird setups, like random toolbars and plugins. Beta testers are normally better at keeping things sane, which would sometimes offset the greater inherent instability in betas.

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Just updates over things being worked on:

Per Windows Private Browsing ----- Near to land

Scoped style (HTML5) ---------- worked on

CSS3 variables ----------- worked on

per-page Event quene system ----------- snappy bug kind of small SuperSnappy part worked on

Telemetry by default --- near to land

Paris bindings (DOM WebIDL thingy) --- Slowly getting since long time

Ion Monkey performance tuning ------ Several of patches landed and really liking it to move although JM will remain for long time I think

DOM performance improvements ----- getters and setters thingy don't get what they meant

also now rendering team is another team like snappy and memshrink which consist of graphics, layout team members

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^^ bottom UX link has the UX Changelog
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Matthew confirms what i thought was gonna happen

http://matthew.noore...s-where-are-you

RE: menu button

The plan is to release Australis tabs and the customizable menu button at the same time.

i wonder if this is the Feature https://wiki.mozilla.org/Features/Firefox/In-content_UI_Visual_Unification

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Matthew confirms what i thought was gonna happen

http://matthew.noore...s-where-are-you

i wonder if this is the Feature https://wiki.mozilla...ual_Unification

Currently if you see last few comments on Australis bug, another dev mentioned that Australis regress their performance considerably on low spec notebooks and even on i7 level PC it regress performance, so I don't think it gonna land with these regression which means it will be further delayed.

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Currently if you see last few comments on Australis bug, another dev mentioned that Australis regress their performance considerably on low spec notebooks and even on i7 level PC it regress performance, so I don't think it gonna land with these regression which means it will be further delayed.

yeah, i cant see it coming in around Fx21 if not Fx22. i think people with low spec computers will have to opt for a browser like Chrome, its been my opinion for a long time that gecko is bloated. an ya wonder why AOL before Netscape Died never Endorsed it, they always used internet explorer as default. but IMO Australis will come quicker than you think, the devs dont care about people that have slow systems. i myself use Chrome as my Default

slso V4 of Australis https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=738491#c78 which seems to fix a bit

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yeah, i cant see it coming in around Fx21 if not Fx22. i think people with low spec computers will have to opt for a browser like Chrome, its been my opinion for a long time that gecko is bloated. an ya wonder why AOL before Netscape Died never Endorsed it, they always used internet explorer as default. but IMO Australis will come quicker than you think, the devs dont care about people that have slow systems. i myself use Chrome as my Default

slso V4 of Australis https://bugzilla.moz...i?id=738491#c78 which seems to fix a bit

Even I don't like Australis design and this change is bumper for me. I agree if only for one or two cycles, Firefox dev try to look into old dead code cleanup and less importing of new and new libraries then they can make a good improvement, like less code less maintenance code, faster build times but structure detailed code, C++11 compliance as much as they can and what not. So there is no doubt yes Gecko is bloated.

I personally don't like Chrome but on laptops where you set Power plan I noticed severe degradation of performance from Firefox Nightly even although that lappy was of i5 and 4 GB RAM. So I think several things to be done before Firefox could reach its prime time again.

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Even I don't like Australis design and this change is bumper for me. I agree if only for one or two cycles, Firefox dev try to look into old dead code cleanup and less importing of new and new libraries then they can make a good improvement, like less code less maintenance code, faster build times but structure detailed code, C++11 compliance as much as they can and what not. So there is no doubt yes Gecko is bloated.

I personally don't like Chrome but on laptops where you set Power plan I noticed severe degradation of performance from Firefox Nightly even although that lappy was of i5 and 4 GB RAM. So I think several things to be done before Firefox could reach its prime time again.

my system aint slow by all means but Chrome works so much better for me on this x6 AMD Core 8Gig Ram PC than Firefox does, i dont mind Australis, but i have my doubts that i'd like this New in-content stuff, bookmarks etc in it.

i dont wanna be the first to say it but Mozilla is a Dying breed of Browsers, they have left it to long to play catchup and are losing users in the mean time. ( i still love Firefox dont get me wrong ) its just sad to see a once loved Browser turn to ****. they implement unfinished features which turns users away to another browser. but at the end of the day i think all they care about now is Mobile Browsers etc, the Desktop Browser is nearly Dead. . Google Chrome is the New Firefox whether you like it or not.

all Firefox Desktop will become is like Thunderbird at the end when they implement all Desktop Features, if Bug Fix's which is kinda Generally happening now. even Lijnux Browsers do not use Gecko. only Browser i can think of that may use Gecko in Linux an that's Galeon.

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my system aint slow by all means but Chrome works so much better for me on this x6 AMD Core 8Gig Ram PC than Firefox does, i dont mind Australis, but i have my doubts that i'd like this New in-content stuff, bookmarks etc in it.

i dont wanna be the first to say it but Mozilla is a Dying breed of Browsers, they have left it to long to play catchup and are losing users in the mean time. ( i still love Firefox dont get me wrong ) its just sad to see a once loved Browser turn to ****. they implement unfinished features which turns users away to another browser. but at the end of the day i think all they care about now is Mobile Browsers etc, the Desktop Browser is nearly Dead. . Google Chrome is the New Firefox whether you like it or not.

all Firefox Desktop will become is like Thunderbird at the end when they implement all Desktop Features, if Bug Fix's which is kinda Generally happening now. even Lijnux Browsers do not use Gecko. only Browser i can think of that may use Gecko in Linux an that's Galeon.

Same though here I know and using Firefox since before FF2 version and liked it but currently their focus is just Firefox OS and Android although they manage to do really good on Android but I don't think their Firefox mobile OS will survive in iOS, Android and WP market.

So rather than focus on new market they should have strengthen their footholds of strong market and developed one. One step lose from it and now you can see they are still struggling to go against Chrome. Its not about even IE10 is amazingly fast although lack some standard support and issues from site optimizing but it is out of era of IE6 garbageness.

My system is also not slow it is i7 with 12 GB and laptop is i5 with 4 GB but only desktop shows Nightly speedness (only with High Performance "Power plan") as soon as you change power plan in OS, Firefox start to struggle.

Lets hope they manage to pull something good not like SocialAPI, Australis and other stuff.

Gecko is not easy to step or hack by new developers on other side Webkit is. So Firefox developer should remove their old code and document new code so that it could be easier for new user to hack into Gecko and develop some awesomeness in it.

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Currently if you see last few comments on Australis bug, another dev mentioned that Australis regress their performance considerably on low spec notebooks and even on i7 level PC it regress performance, so I don't think it gonna land with these regression which means it will be further delayed.

Good. As far as I'm concerned they could delay Australis indefinitely. It's absolutely hideous design. Not that my opinion matters for anything. :rofl: :wacko:

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ever since SmartPhones ever came out that is where the New Development has been as millions if not billions of people use from day to day. more than a Desktop Browser. , eventually even the Desktop PC will be completely dead. it'll all be tablets and or laptops.

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Gecko is not easy to step or hack by new developers on other side Webkit is. So Firefox developer should remove their old code and document new code so that it could be easier for new user to hack into Gecko and develop some awesomeness in it.

Servo is actually going to do that :)

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