Adobe enables HTTP streaming for iOS

[rajputwarrior]

i hate flash. i wish html 5 or silverlight would take over. flash's performance is junk compared to the latter two on osx.

sooner or later, flash is gonna die.

[evo_spook]

Boz on his crusade again?

Flash is **** on the Mac and still buggy on the PC, its a brick weigh down the internet, its only use is videos, wave good by to it, its on its way down thank god.

[Vice]

Boz you keep going on about Webcam and Mic content. This is all stuff that can be added to the web in other ways. Google showed off over a year ago a website inside the browser accessing both the Microphone and Camera of an Android device for example.

Open standards are the future. Adobe (and before them Macromedia) sat on Flash and allowed it to rot for years because they were at the top and there was no other contenders. Now that other companies are coming together to formalise new standards that do the same things as Flash Adobe has begun to see the writing on the wall.

And I'm dead serious about uninstalling Flash from all my computers once I can access native video and have my browser play it back for me instead of the Flash middleware. And you know why I think Video rendered by the browser itself will win out? Competition. Browsers currently compete on performance and security. Which results in us (consumers) winning. And eventually they will compete on video play back too having the most capable rendering engine for H.264 or WebM or whatever becomes the standard.

Sure they aren't agreeing on what codec to use now or even what standards will make up HTML5 in the end. But to simply say it will never happen is naive on your part. I think you depend on Flash so much that it clouds your judgement. I hate to say it but HD-DVD vs Bluray dude you refused to see in any universe how Bluray would become the dominant format and no mater how many situations you could come up with Bluray won in the end. When you are invested in something that is all you can see.

[Boz]

Boz you keep going on about Webcam and Mic content. This is all stuff that can be added to the web in other ways. Google showed off over a year ago a website inside the browser accessing both the Microphone and Camera of an Android device for example.

Open standards are the future. Adobe (and before them Macromedia) sat on Flash and allowed it to rot for years because they were at the top and there was no other contenders. Now that other companies are coming together to formalise new standards that do the same things as Flash Adobe has begun to see the writing on the wall.

And I'm dead serious about uninstalling Flash from all my computers once I can access native video and have my browser play it back for me instead of the Flash middleware. And you know why I think Video rendered by the browser itself will win out? Competition. Browsers currently compete on performance and security. Which results in us (consumers) winning. And eventually they will compete on video play back too having the most capable rendering engine for H.264 or WebM or whatever becomes the standard.

Sure they aren't agreeing on what codec to use now or even what standards will make up HTML5 in the end. But to simply say it will never happen is naive on your part. I think you depend on Flash so much that it clouds your judgement. I hate to say it but HD-DVD vs Bluray dude you refused to see in any universe how Bluray would become the dominant format and no mater how many situations you could come up with Bluray won in the end. When you are invested in something that is all you can see.

LOL.. okay.. we'll just see how all this turns out..

And I'm talking about runtime having access to hardware while HTML5/JS/CSS can't.. No you can't access microphone and camera and other hardware on your machine with HTML5 UNLESS your browser has APIs hooks that allow JS to connect to..and they don't.. so no.. you won't see this "solved" any time soon unless you are using a plugin. And even if Google decides to add it to Chrome, other won't.. so it's not a standard.. it's a mess of a feature that works in some browsers and it doesn't work in others.

I don't rely on Flash because it's been a while I built anything in Flash.. and I build stuff in HTML5, Obj-C and tons of toher things, so no.. my judgment is not clouded.. I know very well what I can do technically and what not.. 99% of people commenting on Flash don't know squat.

It's ridiculous to compare this to HD DVD and Blu-ray and it's bullsh*t to be honest.. btw, if you want to compare.. Flash is Blu-ray here.. HTML5 is HD DVD.. just something to ponder.

[Lunfai]

I don't why this argument has escalated, HTML 5 video with flash fallback is perfect and if machines still have flash installed, then they can enjoy webcam/mic functionality. For the people who don't use these, they can say bye to Flash. I'm looking in the future not present. This whole debate has derailed the thread completely.

Also you cant really say HTML 5 is HD DVD, since it's not going to die.