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[Matthew_Thepc]

FloatingFatMan, on 09 July 2012 - 06:55, said:

Not what I said at all. Try again.

ah, sorry, I completely misinterpreted your comment :\
so, why does it defeat the point? (and, for that matter, which point are you talking about?)

[myxomatosis]

I guess we don't have the same definition of what is a "power user".

I didn't know that all "power users" did was browsing on the Internet and play crappy games...
I'm not attacking you, but seriously, this video is not serious... What I saw in this video = my 60yo father doing his stuff on his Dell laptop (minus the Facebook sessions)


"power users" manage domains, code, manage servers, works with Photoshop, automate stuff, write scripts and programs, compile stuff, use multi-monitor set-ups, manage multiples computers, push updates on the network, etc.


You're the "average" PC user. Not a "beginner", only the "average" PC user doing normal stuff...

[trag3dy]

mrp04, on 09 July 2012 - 05:33, said:

And impossible. A start menu using your full screen for 2 seconds isn't going to "break your workflow" it's just whining about change, even if it's for the better.

Better is purely an opinion. Time will tell if if was a good idea on Microsoft's part or not.

Pam14160, on 09 July 2012 - 06:25, said:

You are really a mindless individual; it must be hard living with yourself. Some people's kids.

Sorry, mindless? Mindless would be expecting people to not talk about things they are unhappy with in a product on an internet discussion forum (oddly enough dedicated to discussion of said product) and just going with the flow because hey.. "change is good".

I'm honestly not sure what you expect on internet forums where people discuss things. Eventually you are going to run into people who have a different opinion than you.

Thanks for the compliment though, I guess? Wish I was still considered a kid.

[myxomatosis]

@trag3dy: They're drinking the Microsoft Kool-aid. That's their right and that's ok We both know this OS' user interface is broken. No need to try to convince them... let's just keep using Windows 7

[ledgori]

I'm sorry, but this videos doesn't show "power using".
You just show that you can switch fast in the windows settings.
You have to switch many times to reach a destination which you could reached much faster before in previous systems.
Sometimes it seems very indiscriminately, its just difficult to recognize if you do anything very fast.

And it shows one thing very clear: For mouse users a underdog experience.
Do this Video again and don't use the keyboard. Then we see a quite new result.

No offence

[FloatingFatMan]

Matthew_Thepc, on 09 July 2012 - 07:01, said:

ah, sorry, I completely misinterpreted your comment :\
so, why does it defeat the point? (and, for that matter, which point are you talking about?)

The point is that Microsoft are trying to do two things. They're trying to implement a unified interface across their devices, and they're trying to simplify it for the average user. The problem is, they missed on both counts.

Instead, what they've seemingly achieved (I say seemingly because we've only seen the preview apps, not their final state), is a collection of apps with far less functionalality than their predecessors... The mail app is bad on the eyes, you can't alter the layout, you can't control spam filters, you can't setup pretty much everything you would WANT to set up, in fact. The chat app is so bad it'd take me all day to go through its problems, same goes for the music app, the video app, pretty much everything really that has been "metro'd". They're not even pretty, unless you mean pretty bad for the eyes!

The UI is also far from unified. They've metro'd parts of it, but to do anything actually useful, you have to revert to the traditional desktop, and they've made THAT a pain in the backside by taking away the Start button; forcing you to constantly switch in and out of desktop mode in much the same hyperactive ADD way the OP does in his video (seriously, NO one farts around like that... I was getting queasy!). It also changes how basic things work for Metro, things which are totally counter-intuitive for a desktop user. I mean, seriously... A vertical action like scrolling your mousewheel, now results in a horizontal action on the screen. Bwuh?

Metro is a good design, for a touch based device. I have no doubt that it will shift the tablet market considerably and I even look forward to my first Metro based tablet (and I have three Android tablets!) But for desktops, so far, it's just not what's best for purpose.

[Miuku.]

If this is what "Power user" is nowadays, I wonder what us old beards are.

[TEX4S]

I saw nothing but a video of switching back and forth accomplishing nothing more than opening a webpage then switching back to metro repeatedly & the video was drastically sped up -

You have shown nothing really.

I tried to mess around with 8 on a VM - then when I couldnt figure out how to turn off the damned thing & eventually ran shutdown in Powershell - I got frustrated. I think it will be great as a tablet OS eventually- and I will probably buy a Surface tablet. But I think I will stick with 7 on my next build in August.

I have had it installed for about 2 weeks, and spent about 20 minutes on it -- however I did like mint13

[myxomatosis]

Seriously, show me ONE Metro app, only ONE Metrop app, that a modern HTML 5 website can't replace?

The Gmail website is lightyears ahead of the Metro Mail app for example... Weather app? There's like zillions of weather websites that are better... Messaging app? Don't start me on that one...


I'm sorry... I'm trying very hard to like Metro/WinRT... but all I see is a ugly (my opinion) fullscreen launcher used to launch subpar, incomplete and oversimplified apps Like I said, websites are more complete than all the Metro apps I've tried so far...

[CSharp.]

Nazmus Shakib Khandaker, on 09 July 2012 - 03:44, said:

The reason Microsoft got rid of the start menu is for consistency. It would be weird to have two "start" menus.

It would. But the fact that it's weird didn't stop MS from implementing two control panels, two Internet Explorers, two picture viewers, two audio players, two video players etc...

[TheLegendOfMart]

God that video made me feel queasy watching the start screen animation keep coming up, I also like how you sped up the video to make it look like it is faster.

[Nazmus Shakib Khandaker]

For those of you saying I am not a power user cuz I used generic apps, like paint and chrome, I was just trying to make a point. And yes, I do manage domains, use VS to code applications, run websites and work with VMs. Don't tell me what I am or am not.

As for the speeding up. I had technical reasons for that. I had to eliminate the lag and make the video shorter, not fool anyone.

[HoochieMamma]

You should put an epilepsy warning on that video, all it did was make me sick. Didn't show ANY power usage at all, unless I open and close off random programs all day at super speed for no reason.

[FloatingFatMan]

Nazmus Shakib Khandaker, on 09 July 2012 - 10:47, said:

For those of you saying I am not a power user cuz I used generic apps, like paint and chrome, I was just trying to make a point. And yes, I do manage domains, use VS to code applications, run websites and work with VMs. Don't tell me what I am or am not.

As for the speeding up. I had technical reasons for that. I had to eliminate the lag and make the video shorter, not fool anyone.

Then you've misrepresented what the video is meant to be showing.

[dr_crabman]

trek, on 09 July 2012 - 03:39, said:

I know my corporation will not be rolling out Win 8 client. We will see how many others with very lucrative EA's fail to adopt it too. That will play a key factor in the options for Windows 9 imo.

No it won't. Many corps just jumped to W7, there's no way they would deploy W8 after such a short amount of time. Even if W8 is the best thing ever it's a big investment of money and time (not only installing the OS but certifiying and making sure every used software works) so skipping versions is a) reasonable and b) standard policy for most of them. And MS knows this, that's why the new version is more geared towards normal consumers.

Any yeah, why was the video sped up? (edit: read the explanation above)