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[Dot Matrix]

Rickkins, on 31 August 2012 - 13:50, said:

Can you imagine when this thing is released to the general public...???

Seeing how they've had little quarrels now, they won't have many quarrels when it is released. The majority of tech users (aged 30 and below) know what's coming. Again, the Windows 95 paradigm is dead. Windows 9 will be an evolution of Windows 8.

[Rickkins]

Dot Matrix, on 01 September 2012 - 01:18, said:

Seeing how they've had little quarrels now, they won't have many quarrels when it is released. The majority of tech users (aged 30 and below) know what's coming. Again, the Windows 95 paradigm is dead. Windows 9 will be an evolution of Windows 8.

~yawn~
Guess we'll see..... but if microturd ever wants to sell a new os to business, it had better not be taking advice from you....

[Dot Matrix]

Rickkins, on 01 September 2012 - 01:36, said:

~yawn~
Guess we'll see..... but if microturd ever wants to sell a new os to business, it had better not be taking advice from you....

You're one to speak.

[Rickkins]

Dot Matrix, on 01 September 2012 - 02:03, said:

You're one to speak.

Aren't I just.....

[MorganX]

@TCLN Ryster Have you tried to grab and drag something at top of your desktop and accidentally started closing the desktop environment? Just little annoyances.

[ChrisJ1968]

I've been told that, WIN8 is a step forward. I have to ask how? we got away from the desktop GUI and now are forced to utilize key combos to work in win8.

I just think Microsoft wants to throw this out there in hopes of capturing innovation and try and set a standard. This will backfire.

JessJess, on 29 August 2012 - 16:38, said:

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But you just proved the point while trying to disprove it.

Also what the bleep is the point of installing a new OS only to have to install a number of tweaks and hacks to get the functionality back that you had in the last one?
If you have to hack bits back in the return your work flow then something is obviously very wrong here.

I am still not convinced, and I have the exact opposite of what most people accuse Windows 8 'haters' of having. An open mind. I am trying to like Windows 8, and have been using it a number of weeks now.

open mind... I used win 8 for awhile and got down alot of jist of things. However, based on what I'm used to, this is alot like the war in Afghanistan. a quagmire..

[Dot Matrix]

ChrisJ1968, on 02 September 2012 - 13:56, said:

I've been told that, WIN8 is a step forward. I have to ask how? we got away from the desktop GUI and now are forced to utilize key combos to work in win8.

Because as the role of the PC expands (Tablet devices, HTPCs, kiosks, etc), emphasis of the desktop makes less sense. Heck, I don't even really need it on my laptop. I can sit comfortably in OneNote MX and have IE MX docked to the side of the screen for quick access during school.

With Windows 8, we finally have a UI that can take advantage of new technologies, and and fit itself to multiple devices, without becoming a burden on the user.

[xWhiplash]

Dot Matrix, on 02 September 2012 - 14:24, said:

Because as the role of the PC expands (Tablet devices, HTPCs, kiosks, etc), emphasis of the desktop makes less sense. Heck, I don't even really need it on my laptop. I can sit comfortably in OneNote MX and have IE MX docked to the side of the screen for quick access during school.

With Windows 8, we finally have a UI that can take advantage of new technologies, and and fit itself to multiple devices, without becoming a burden on the user.

You are talking about a different type of operating system though. With my job, emphasis of the desktop WILL NEVER CHANGE. Why does a server admin need the new UI by default? Why isnt there an option to boot directly to the desktop in at least the server version?

When a new OS is said to take advantage of new technologies, I expect it to work better with useful technologies for EVERYONE. Multithreading and multicore, SSD trim support, and others (from Windows XP to Windows 7 for example). Support for touch does not benefit me. I have no intention of ever getting touch interface on my desktops or laptops.

I am sorry I do not blindly accept everything Microsoft ever does. With my job, keyboard and mouse will ALWAYS be the best option.

Why is it so hard to have a freaking option on install/first boot? You win. I win. If I am in the new metro interface, I should NOT see aero. If I am on the desktop, I should NOT see metro. Right now is it like somebody with multiple personalities.

I have no need and gain no benefits of the start screen. It is irritating to me, and I am not the type of person to sit there for hours staring at the "live tiles". They have no benefits. So you tell me to delete all the metro apps and install third party apps to regain the functionality I use on a daily basis in Windows 7. No thanks, I would rather use Windows 7 without clogging up my installs with third party stuff.

[Dot Matrix]

xWhiplash, on 02 September 2012 - 15:07, said:

You are talking about a different type of operating system though. With my job, emphasis of the desktop WILL NEVER CHANGE. Why does a server admin need the new UI by default? Why isnt there an option to boot directly to the desktop in at least the server version?

First, never say never. I'm sure IT folk said the same thing when the Mainframe/Terminal disappeared, and the GUI killed the CLI. Not to mention, business laughed at the mouse when it first appeared too, now look. They're laughing at touch now, but I can guarantee you, it'll start to work its way into businesses soon enough.

xWhiplash, on 02 September 2012 - 15:07, said:

When a new OS is said to take advantage of new technologies, I expect it to work better with useful technologies for EVERYONE. Multithreading and multicore, SSD trim support, and others (from Windows XP to Windows 7 for example). Support for touch does not benefit me. I have no intention of ever getting touch interface on my desktops or laptops.

Last time I checked, it is working for everyone. It's not fair to those who want to use touch or any other of the new I/O tech on the desktop to be forced to use an outdated UI paradigm. The role of the PC is advancing, but being hindered by the OS. It's time for the OS to advance too.

If you don't want touch, the desktop is still there, so there are no issues here.

xWhiplash, on 02 September 2012 - 15:07, said:

I am sorry I do not blindly accept everything Microsoft ever does. With my job, keyboard and mouse will ALWAYS be the best option.

Again, never say never.

xWhiplash, on 02 September 2012 - 15:07, said:

Why is it so hard to have a freaking option on install/first boot? You win. I win. If I am in the new metro interface, I should NOT see aero. If I am on the desktop, I should NOT see metro. Right now is it like somebody with multiple personalities.

Few things here, you start adding in UI options, and support goes straight to Hell. You're running Windows 8, ok, now are you running in classic mode, or are you running in the new mode? Plus, I can guarantee Windows 8 is just the start. Windows 9, will be more Modern, less classic. Switching over helps clean the OS of legacy code that just shouldn't be there anymore.

xWhiplash, on 02 September 2012 - 15:07, said:

I have no need and gain no benefits of the start screen. It is irritating to me, and I am not the type of person to sit there for hours staring at the "live tiles". They have no benefits. So you tell me to delete all the metro apps and install third party apps to regain the functionality I use on a daily basis in Windows 7. No thanks, I would rather use Windows 7 without clogging up my installs with third party stuff.

Than stick to Windows 7. No, seriously. But just be aware that Modern isn't going away. You can wish it all you want, but there are huge benefits to it, even on the desktop, and live tiles are one. You might not think they are beneficial, but to me they are. On my screen, I have my calendar, social updates, and mail updates all at a glance, They update without me having to waste system resources and time opening up each app or have it running in the background. I can get weather alerts, again without having to open the app.

[xWhiplash]

Dot Matrix, on 02 September 2012 - 15:38, said:

First, never say never. I'm sure IT folk said the same thing when the Mainframe/Terminal disappeared, and the GUI killed the CLI. Not to mention, business laughed at the mouse when it first appeared too, now look. They're laughing at touch now, but I can guarantee you, it'll start to work its way into businesses soon enough.




Last time I checked, it is working for everyone. It's not fair to those who want to use touch or any other of the new I/O tech on the desktop to be forced to use an outdated UI paradigm. The role of the PC is advancing, but being hindered by the OS. It's time for the OS to advance too.

If you don't want touch, the desktop is still there, so there are no issues here.




Again, never say never.




Few things here, you start adding in UI options, and support goes straight to Hell. You're running Windows 8, ok, now are you running in classic mode, or are you running in the new mode? Plus, I can guarantee Windows 8 is just the start. Windows 9, will be more Modern, less classic. Switching over helps clean the OS of legacy code that just shouldn't be there anymore.




Than stick to Windows 7. No, seriously. But just be aware that Modern isn't going away. You can wish it all you want, but there are huge benefits to it, even on the desktop, and live tiles are one. You might not think they are beneficial, but to me they are. On my screen, I have my calendar, social updates, and mail updates all at a glance, They update without me having to waste system resources and time opening up each app or have it running in the background. I can get weather alerts, again without having to open the app.

I highly doubt touch will replace mouse/keyboard....ever. I do not want to program for 8 hours a day with my hands up in the air. I do not want to have to select a portion of the code by having to select it on the monitor. I do not want to work on photoshop where touch is not as precise as a mouse is. I do not want to type a 20 page paper with my hands in the air.

You cannot honestly believe the mouse/keyboard will be replaced by touch in graphic design and programming.

Few things here, you start adding in UI options, and support goes straight to Hell....
I am sorry, don't we already have this situation? Two control panels, two internet explorers, two different interfaces. We are already there. An option will not suddenly make Windows 8 impossible to support. All it will do is make the start screen not appear right away. Why is that so bloody hard to do? It saves us (the people that work on the desktop environment) an extra step. It does not make it suddenly harder to support, because once a user clicks Desktop, they are in the same situation. Explain how an option to avoid the start screen on boot makes it harder to support? When I boot into Windows 7, the start menu is not open by default. I do not want the start screen to be open by default either.

How can you think Live Tiles are beneficial? Do you sit staring at the start screen just waiting for something to update? Probably not, you are probably doing something else. I do not see how live tiles can be beneficial. Everything they do has been done for years. New emails? Outlook has provided little popups when you get a new email for years. New messages? Windows Live Messenger and other IM clients have provided little popups when you receive a new message for years. Weather? I would rather look out the window thanks.

[Dot Matrix]

xWhiplash, on 02 September 2012 - 17:02, said:

How can you think Live Tiles are beneficial? Do you sit staring at the start screen just waiting for something to update? Probably not, you are probably doing something else. I do not see how live tiles can be beneficial. Everything they do has been done for years. New emails? Outlook has provided little popups when you get a new email for years. New messages? Windows Live Messenger and other IM clients have provided little popups when you receive a new message for years. Weather? I would rather look out the window thanks.

How are they not beneficial? How is getting updates without having to click into apps not beneficial to the user?