Window 8 RTM defragger

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I haven't seen the point of using third party defraggers since Windows Vista/7. I could understand with XP but I think they are obsolete.

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People are stuck in their way of using third party tools for things that are built into the OS and don't require any thinking. I completely forget about defragmentation until someone mentions it. The OS just takes care of it by itself.

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People are stuck in their way of using third party tools for things that are built into the OS and don't require any thinking. I completely forget about defragmentation until someone mentions it. The OS just takes care of it by itself.

Oh really? so windows media player is ok??? pleh.... It's a mess... so is internet exploder.

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I tried using the in-built defragger in Win7/Win8 and it was crap. Defraggler and UltraDefragger actually do the job. Performance is much better after using them. So until Microsoft actually makes a defragger that works, I will continue to use what i know.

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Oh really? so windows media player is ok??? pleh.... It's a mess... so is internet exploder.

Hmm bothof them work just fine. IE surf the web just fine and media player far better than most alternatives with codecs installed.

I tried using the in-built defragger in Win7/Win8 and it was crap. Defraggler and UltraDefragger actually do the job. Performance is much better after using them. So until Microsoft actually makes a defragger that works, I will continue to use what i know.

And how did you measure this fantasy imrpoved performance.

even the difference been a fragmented and defragmented drives is almost zero today. between different defragmenters, you're talking nano seconds over a day.

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How did I measure it? While using the in-built defragger, my system seemed slightly slower. I ran the in-built for quite some time. After installing my choice and setting it to defrag as it boots, then defragging after boot, my system is no longer sluggish. Unlike others, I go by how my system feels to me. I don't give a damn about statistics and numbers. If my system feels slow, then it is slow.

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Im amazed that some of you dont use software because its CEO (the guy basically doesnt write any program code o algorithm) has relgious views different than yours.

Man, this world is ****ed up....

If you found yourself in a restaurant about to be served by people who were having a sincere discussion on how the food they were making had been prepared especially for the immediate Alien visitation, would you eat it?

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I'm surpirsed no one mentioned O&O Defrag Professional. I have been using it on some of my computers and it works great. It ensures that your SSD's don't get defragged and can automatically run TRIM if you want.

The built-in defragmenter does a fine job as mos have said before. There is no special need for a third-party defragger but I've found that O&O at least makes them run a little faster with it's default shedule plan.

I guess this is just a matter of taste and preference.

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I've run the built in one on Windows 7 and Windows 8... and when it says 0% or 1% fragmented, I can go run a 3rd party, like Defraggler and the map shows it is 30+% fragmented... so I'm not sure how to explain that, since they all use the windows API to defrag. Anyone got an answer for that?

And side note, the built in one is set by default for 3AM on Wednesday I believe, and most people suspend or shut down their systems. I think Windows 8 just now will unsuspend the system at that time by default, but Windows 7 did not.

Since the Windows 7 one runs automatically, I would assume Windows has been keeping your drive neat and tidy.

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sorry to bring back this topic, didn't want to make a new one because this one is full related to my question

i had already posted in this one but no responses, my question still stands

Win8 built in its great and all, 3rd defraggers aren't needed but my question is, how about diskeeper intelliwrite or perfect disk optiwrite ? isn't a great way to make even less defrag required?

my ideia is, win8 built in enabled (running on schedule) and diskeeper all disabled expect intelliwrite

doesn't this "combo" make's better performance in the long run ? just to confirm if intelliwrite/optiwrite does make less fragment's like they claimed

and once again, sorry to bring a old topic

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Wasn't the standard in windows 7 not use third party defraggers because they would erase all of the superfetch data and paging file as well?

No, originally defragmentation tools weren't a good idea due the the way the Volume Shadowcopy Service (VSS) works. Newer defrag utilities are all VSS aware.

VSS is used for system restore and file versioning features of WIndows.

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No, originally defragmentation tools weren't a good idea due the the way the Volume Shadowcopy Service (VSS) works. Newer defrag utilities are all VSS aware.

VSS is used for system restore and file versioning features of WIndows.

Yeah that too, sadly I don't remember the thread here in neowin mentioning that how third party defraggers screwed up shadowcopy, superfetch and paging file, out of the top of my head, from what i can remember, IIRC it was something with layout.ini (being redudant on purpose :p ) But don't quote me it, as it's just bits and pieces of memories :p

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sadly i dont find any review about of the impact of intelliwrite/optiwrite, if its really like they say it works and prevent high % of fragmentation and less IO

if its like they say, my idea was to install (ex: diskeeper) and disable all expect intelliwrite and the defrag been care of Win8 built in on schedule

basically dont know if intelliwrite/optiwrite does really bring benefit (less fragmentation, less time to defrag, ...)

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