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#226 Shane Nokes

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 20:32

I bet ms would rather have people doing this than pirating windows


That I do agree with since a lot of times pirated copies are either loaded with or susceptible to issues.


#227 Javik

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 20:34

Seems reasonable, a person paying something... anything for your software still beats them just pirating it even if they are technically violating the EULA. I'm sure there will still be people that will refuse to pay regardless of how cheap it is, but in my opinion Microsoft have done a lot towards encouraging people not to pirate Windows with their low pricing.

#228 Axel

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 21:25

They're probably banking on their new AppStore for the revenue stream these days - on the general consumer side at least!

#229 theyarecomingforyou

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 21:41

They're probably banking on their new AppStore for the revenue stream these days - on the general consumer side at least!


This. They're selling Windows 8 for a very low price and banking on users purchasing apps or using apps with advertising from the Windows Store, knowing that once users have invested in a platform they're less likely to leave for another. The problem comes when Microsoft makes so much money through the Windows Store that they decide to add restrictions to - or eliminate altogether - x86-64 applications to a future version of Windows, as they don't make any money on those sales.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 21:58

The only thing that defines what keys windows can and cannot accept is pkeyconfig.xrm-ms. So do a clean install and plop in the file that would accept the upgrade key, slmgr -ipk and boom, you're good. Might be a violation in technical terms but screw it, it gets you around the inconvenience. OR just use MSDN media, because for some weird reason that works with upgrade keys on clean installs.

#231 Shane Nokes

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 22:44

The only thing that defines what keys windows can and cannot accept is pkeyconfig.xrm-ms. So do a clean install and plop in the file that would accept the upgrade key, slmgr -ipk and boom, you're good. Might be a violation in technical terms but screw it, it gets you around the inconvenience. OR just use MSDN media, because for some weird reason that works with upgrade keys on clean installs.


Multiple people have already tried the MSDN media with the upgrade keys, and unless you do some tweaking it fails activation.

People have also already posted a way to make it work regardless. My point was that straight upgrade keys on a plain ISO without any sort of workaround will not activate without a valid prior OS install...which is the case. :p

#232 no-sweat

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 16:36

Question: can you use the Windows 8 upgrade disc to format/reinstall a previous installation of the same upgrade disc? I like to do an annual formatting and am wondering if the upgrade disc will work.

ty

#233 Shane Nokes

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 00:09

Question: can you use the Windows 8 upgrade disc to format/reinstall a previous installation of the same upgrade disc? I like to do an annual formatting and am wondering if the upgrade disc will work.

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Yeah that is usually just fine...but why do that when you can just do a refresh? It accomplishes the same thing...and why do a yearly reinstall? It's more of a placebo than anything when you do that.

#234 scaramonga

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 01:05

Also, the License (EULA) which will be shown to you upon install also depends on the [Channel] config set in ei.cfg.

For Windows 8 and Windows 8 Pro, it is as follows:

Retail

[Channel]
_Default

[VL]
0

OEM

[Channel]
OEM

[VL]
0

Enterprise

[Channel]
Volume

[VL]
1

These EULA's are present in:

C:\Windows\System32\Licenses\neutral

_Default = EULAID:Win_RM_2_PS_R_en-us (WINDOWS 8 PRO).

OEM = EULAID:Win_RM_3_PS_O_en-us (WINDOWS 8 PRO).

Volume = EULAID:Win_RM_1_PS_V_en-us


#235 fredoffsamee

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 19:07

Can confirm this works with puchased retail copy (both 32/64)

-Install new drive
-Use upgrade key to install
-Can use express setting during install
-Run regedit (from desktop right click lower left of screen-Run)
-Go to: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Software/Microsoft/Windows/CurrentVersion/Setup/OOBE/
-Change MediaBootInstall from 1 to 0
-Run command prompt as administrator (from desktop right click lower left of screen-Command Prompt Admin)
-Type slmgr -rearm (wait for box to confirm rearm)
-Move mouse to lower right of screen,(opens "charm bar") pick Settings,Power,Restart
-From desktop right click lower left of screen-Run slui.exe 3
-Enter your upgrade key,activate (will take a couple seconds)
-Restart your computer (this step needed to change themes ect)

Done.

#236 Chrysalis

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 17:33

microsoft have in my view always tolerated piracy, even one of their PR people or an exec (Cant remember which) has said in public its helped them get market share.

Technet eg. was abused a lot, people paying for 1 year, grabbing keys and then using them for life, microsoft tolerated this, what they didnt like tho was people selling technet keys on ebay hence the restrictions that got added to technet. Although I think microsoft have now decided they wont tolerate people paying for just 1 year anymore as they now I believe disable keys after a subscription ends.

These upgrade keys as I understand it the same rearm trick was used in windows 7, since the trick hasnt been closed I assume microsoft are ok tolerating it because at the end of the day a upgrade sale is better than no sale. Looking at how much a OEM windows 8 pro costs, I cant see many people buying it.

Here is what worries me.

Currently I have numerous windows 7 technet keys which are 10 activations each. One is used on this PC and one on my laptop, currently I have no immediate plans to upgrade to win8 but I suspect I will do at some point, where there is apps to use win7 aero themes etc.

I have no idea when doing an upgrade which key windows 8 uses as a upgrade eligibility key, does it use the key on the pc when running the upgrade assistant? does it use the key on the windows install during the install process? because it doesnt ask for one during installation.

The keys I wanted to use is the vista oem key for my laptop and a win7 retail key for a unused boxed copy I have here in my my bedroom.

It would seem assuming the key isnt grabbed when the upgrade assistant is run that if this registry workaround is used then no eligibility is checked and as such no old keys get deactivated?

#237 kevpan815

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 18:22

No you can't! NOT unless it's OEM! Otherwise Windows 8 will NOT activate.

#238 Circaflex

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 18:27

yes you can, just like vista and 7 you can do a clean install on a fresh drive, either call in the key or install windows 8, let it fail activation, rerun the setup from within the os and the upgrade will work.

#239 ScorpioRGc1

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 00:00

yes you can, just like vista and 7 you can do a clean install on a fresh drive, either call in the key or install windows 8, let it fail activation, rerun the setup from within the os and the upgrade will work.

Or simply do the one registry tweak after installing Win8 on a blank drive and re-arm then reboot; the method was listed earlier in this thread. Windows will then activate without a hitch. :) The way you listed works too; I've done it both ways since Win8 was released. But the registry/rearm method is a bit quicker since you won't have to install twice.

#240 sathenzar

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 03:54

That's what I was referring to when I said that it used to be the disc that determined the install type. There used to actually be upgrade/full install discs...and as long as you knew what you were doing you could use an install key to do a full install.

This is no longer the case since the key itself determines what happens. :)



This is my last time stating this, and it is fact not supposition. So please do not keep posting your doubts over and over again.

The KEY determines the install type, not the media.

The difference is who still has a base OS install that is eligible for upgrade vs those who do not. NOTHING prevents a clean install using those keys as long as there is still a base OS installed. You can reboot and do a completely clean install with the upgrade discs...as long as there is a base OS still present on the HD...you can even wipe the HD once it verifies an eligible license is present.

You know I've often wondered about the last part of what you said. I have always wondered how the disc knew if you had an eligible OS upgrade after you wiped it / rebooted then re-installed windows. Isn't the hard drive empty at that point? Or does it store a tiny bit of info after it formats the drive? Just the programmers curiosity coming out on that one :)