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#16 Dot Matrix

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:23

Haters gonna hate. But this article wasn't at all researched or well thought out.

StevenSi's leave isn't going to change anything. Microsoft has a course set, and they're sticking to it. The evidence is there to support it.

- JL-G is heading the division.
- StevenSi's departure had NOTHING to do with Surface or Windows 8.
- Destroys the purpose of Windows 8, and the "re-imagining" of WIndows.
- Destroys the uniformity of platforms.
- Creates a ****ty UX to support.
- Destroys forward platform viability.
- At no point do you see Microsoft demonstrating or even hinting at replacing the Start Screen. Ballmer was all over Windows 8 Start just last month at BUILD.

This article is nothing more than BS.


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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:25

Unlikely to happen, it'd basically be Microsoft admitting they got it wrong, and that won't happen. There may be a case to be made however for better visual guidance to the start menu for those having trouble adjusting to "hot spots". This may result in a return of the start button in some shape, but not the menu itself. For those that want the menu itself back, there are third party tools that work just fine.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:27

Having a start menu, you're obviously going to stick with what you know how to use. Its the event that you HAVE to use the start screen that you'll use it, perhaps get used to it, and see if its more productive or not.

I remember when people didn't like the 'new' XP start menu, and reverted back to the WinME one. They stuck with that and took awhile to eventually move to the new one.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:28

Its funny, the people that want the menu back believe that they are in some sort of majority, the people that are happy with the start screen (me included) believe they are in some kind of majority, while back in the real world the actual majority don't voice an opinion on forums for tech topics so these opinions are tarnished by our own bias towards what we see others saying (but we see other saying stuff on the same posts that interest us, so the bias grows).

The thing is, its a big change yes, but so was XP and the hatred was as strong in some circles. It was blasted in the press and many people called it a fisher price OS - look at it now and what it became. People do get used to new systems and in my opinion the start screen isn't as massive of a change as some are making out - I mean we're talking mainly a visual change over function, yes I'm aware certain things aren't possible and some take an extra click, but I'm also aware of the benefits the start screen brings with it and the reason why its a default.

I love the live tiles and will do more so when more apps are released in the store, there is already a pretty good sage app and the new Dynamics app (not released yet but there is plenty of info about it) looks very nice, along with a SAP application and more to come, there will soon be plenty of business related apps available to give you live info.

But that's not the main point, its about unifying things, what I love is being able to buy a cheap app on my laptop and its then available on my other windows 8 devices - if the start menu existed I might not have given the new UI and apps a decent chance, as it is Ive come to love it.

If the start menu existed then the modern UI could be completely bypassed and the modern UI (along with its store count) would take longer to gain mass adoption.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:28

I know I'm not downgrading to Windows 8 till that start screen and the whole full screen crAPP features can be completely removed.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:30

Bringing back the start menu is unnecessary. The start screen fulfils the role of the start menu and has much more functionality.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:32

How is the start screen confusing... its the most simplistic way of getting on in windows.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:35

Having a start menu, you're obviously going to stick with what you know how to use. Its the event that you HAVE to use the start screen that you'll use it, perhaps get used to it, and see if its more productive or not.

I remember when people didn't like the 'new' XP start menu, and reverted back to the WinME one. They stuck with that and took awhile to eventually move to the new one.


THIS!!!!

I got so sick of helping XP users out and finding the 'classic' start menu, which was only in use because some idiot techy friend had told them that the new UI made the computer slower and the old one was better (read as I'm comfortable with the old one and dam MS for changing it).

These users never gave it a chance, and stayed with the horrible classic menu until an upgrade or new computer.

MS need to get the new UI upto mass adoption levels to boost the the ecosystem, like it or not but the new ecosystem is life or death for them when you look at the numbers moving to ipads and android tablets - they have to make this work and keeping the start menu would simply be a negative in getting the new UI into the minds of the masses and getting people used to it.



I know I'm not downgrading to Windows 8 till that start screen and the whole full screen crAPP features can be completely removed.


I do understand people wanting the start menu back, but you want the whole modern UI layer gone along with store - something that you can completely ignore other than using as a launcher (for apps you don't have pinned to taskbar)? wow!

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:36

I presume Microsoft are getting thousands of complaints/support requests about the missing desktop Start menu daily ("where has it gone?" "how do you re-enable it?"), and people are not adjusting as well as Microsoft (or Sinofsky) hoped to it's removal (it was there since Windows 95). It's a staple feature in Windows - I certainly found it's disappearance awkward and annoying (I am a desktop-only user).

I am more than happy to support Stardock for their efforts, and it's great to hear that tens of thousands of people are buying Start8. Even if the report above is false, I still think think the number would be that high, at least.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:43

Unlikely to happen, it'd basically be Microsoft admitting they got it wrong, and that won't happen. There may be a case to be made however for better visual guidance to the start menu for those having trouble adjusting to "hot spots". This may result in a return of the start button in some shape, but not the menu itself. For those that want the menu itself back, there are third party tools that work just fine.

Hm, but the button is still there in the same place, on hover :/ I do hope they don't place it back everpresent on the Taskbar.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:44

It's a staple feature in Windows


You can't let that hinder progress though. Many here want to laugh at this, but the forward viability of the menu is almost null. There are new technologies emerging that make using the menu quite cumbersome. Touch, Kinect, you name it, Aren't going anywhere. As these technologies grow, we'll need an OS that can grow with them.

It's impossible to move forward, by clinging to outdated ideals.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:45

Its funny, the people that want the menu back believe that they are in some sort of majority, the people that are happy with the start screen (me included) believe they are in some kind of majority, while back in the real world the actual majority don't voice an opinion on forums for tech topics so these opinions are tarnished by our own bias towards what we see others saying (but we see other saying stuff on the same posts that interest us, so the bias grows).


I don't want the start menu back in 8, but I definitely think the majority would want it back if you swapped their Win 7 PC for a Win 8 PC

The majority of people who own a PC in the world are not tech savvy, they want a PC that lets them use facebook, messenger and emails, store/print their photos and the odd game, they don't want to be flung into a whole new world of tiles and have to learn how to use their PC all over again

We (The tech heads) are the minority

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:46

Bringing back the start menu is unnecessary. The start screen fulfils the role of the start menu and has much more functionality.

If you have been using/relying on it since Windows 95, you will feel that it's missing (that is, the Start button on the taskbar). It takes time to adjust to.

I personally don't like how it covers the whole screen. For a tablet PC, it's great, but for a desktop user, it's just eye candy, and not actually useful (ie. doesn't do more than the traditional more-compact Start menu).

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:49

Why, because their opinion is opposite of yours?
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No. It's because a lot of what they say doesn't make sense and they don't appear to have researched/found out the reasons for its removal.

If you have been using/relying on it since Windows 95, you will feel that it's missing (that is, the Start button on the taskbar). It takes time to adjust to.
[. . .]

For some people, perhaps, but it didn't take me any time to adjust :)

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:49

You can't let that hinder progress though. Many here want to laugh at this, but the forward viability of the menu is almost null. There are new technologies emerging that make using the menu quite cumbersome. Touch, Kinect, you name it, Aren't going anywhere. As these technologies grow, we'll need an OS that can grow with them.

It's impossible to move forward, by clinging to outdated ideals.

I agree, but there will always be desktop-only users, who like using the traditional Start menu - why can't Microsoft make it optional?

I also agree with having a consistent UI across devices.

So I guess that makes my opinion neutral (non-biased)!