Windows 8 UI Is Chromeless

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Zimmedon

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I doubt they'll ship the desktop OS without Aero, but perhaps it means Aero itself won't be as deeply rooted (if at all) into the OS like in previous versions of Windows.

Wait is Aero even chrome? I thought it was transparent

Probably referring to the User Interface Chrome (e.g. GUI)

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I think this is a mistake. Majority of non tech savy people rely on the startmenu, removinng it will put alot of people in the dark.

But my personal opinion is the UI of windows has basically stayed the same since Win95. Main diffrence is what the startbutton looks like, and due for a change. Id like to se what they have in mind

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How is the article "flat-out wrong" and "poorly researched" when they are quoting Tami Reller (Corporate Vice President and CFO, Windows & Windows Live)?

Because it is flat-out wrong. It is factually incorrect. Truth is lacking. The facts indicate otherwise. An iota of research could show the inaccuracies in the article. Certain statements made are the opposite of facts. Things stated do not fit with what Microsoft has shown. It's not correct -- it's wrong.

Take, for instance, this part of the article: "Essentially, the old GUI, Windows Aero for example, is gone altogether. There?s no Taskbar, no Start button, no notifications area, and no desktop. Chromeless."

That is flat-out wrong. Anyone who has seen Windows 8 demonstrated can tell you that, as Microsoft displayed those features and emphasized that they still exist. Reller was talking about one aspect of the OS, not the entire thing; they also put words in his mouth by adding all those other things that are "gone altogether."

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WolvesHunt

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all Fairness I can't wait to see what a windows Os would look like with out the start menu. I run a desktop with no touch and I still plan to keep or make the Start screen default just to force my self to get use it it

Linux with grome 3 is is basically "start-Menu-Less" totally can tell it was designed for touching.. But it also works very well with a keyboard and mouse still. In fact I'm jealous of not being able to use it for a Desktop UI in windows.

In case any one wondering what I talking about

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this is what you get when u "click" on the far left Activity menu (iE use to be start menu/K menu/G menu)

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So without a start menu or taskbar, it will be kinda like the iphone, where you have your apps and they take up the full screen. Which in a way is kinda like Win 3.1/3.11/etc where you had a program manager, and the apps that took up the full screen, and your running apps (for what little multitasking it offered) just sat as icons on the desktop. My how things come full circle.

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WolvesHunt

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So without a start menu or taskbar, it will be kinda like the iphone, where you have your apps and they take up the full screen. Which in a way is kinda like Win 3.1/3.11/etc where you had a program manager, and the apps that took up the full screen, and your running apps (for what little multitasking it offered) just sat as icons on the desktop. My how things come full circle.

ya but this version will look sexier with 3d hardware acceleration and Live icons..lol

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There is so much misconception about the Windows 8 UI! But I don't think anyone knows about Microsoft's Windows 8 plans better than Paul Thurrott. He has said the Metro UI is going to be used everywhere -- laptop, tablet, desktop. And it's not just a tablet UI, as some people here think. It will work equally well with a mouse and a keyboard. The new UI is going to be the default for all modern apps -- IE10, Office 15, Windows Live Wave 5 etc. And more apps will appear in due time. But for running legacy apps like Office 2010, Visual Studio 2010 etc, it will automatically switch to the old Aero UI.

This means as long as you don't run any legacy apps, you will never have to see the old UI elements -- taskbar, start menu etc. Obviously you can disable the whole Metro UI and make the classic UI default. But I'm keenly looking forward to using the new Metro UI ALL the time -- on my laptop and desktop, with mouse and keyboard. Metro UI works perfectly with a mouse. Zune and MetroTwit are good examples. I hope there will be enough modern apps by the time Windows 8 is released so that I won't ever have to use the classic Aero ever again. Not that I don't love Aero, but Metro UI is by far the most beautiful and productive UI for desktops, tablets and phones.

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So without a start menu or taskbar, it will be kinda like the iphone, where you have your apps and they take up the full screen. Which in a way is kinda like Win 3.1/3.11/etc where you had a program manager, and the apps that took up the full screen, and your running apps (for what little multitasking it offered) just sat as icons on the desktop. My how things come full circle.

When you put it like that it sounds like we just went backwards in terms of innovation.

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remixedcat

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GNOME3 feels friendlier for tablets then IOS is. Apple should have done that design. Mabye they'll take some hints from that. Ipad 4G or whatever they call it by then could have it. That would be nice. Having that instead of IOS. I would get one.

The metro thing is growing on me a lil bit but in a different way. I would like to try it myself and see more but MS is being so tight they are makin us crazy! I think MS gets off on doing this to us. I know thier ways.

I hope you can still change the color scheme I'd have mine all black I hate the loud colored tile.. I want mine black with a nice background. and to change all the fonts to candara it's a nice font...

but the color thing was becuase of nyancat???? someone said it was! someone said they wanted the UI to remind them of nyancat. if nyancat can convince me to like it then fine, if not then I'll be a sad kitteh.

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FMH

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Take, for instance, this part of the article: "Essentially, the old GUI, Windows Aero for example, is gone altogether. There?s no Taskbar, no Start button, no notifications area, and no desktop. Chromeless."

That is flat-out wrong. Anyone who has seen Windows 8 demonstrated can tell you that, as Microsoft displayed those features and emphasized that they still exist. Reller was talking about one aspect of the OS, not the entire thing; they also put words in his mouth by adding all those other things that are "gone altogether."

That wa such an early and premature demonstration, and its under work. The full desktop version has yet to go for a full change. Things are bound to change, and what Tami Reller says would eventually come true.

?Apps are certainly an important part of the Windows 8 plan. And when Windows 8 ships, developers will already know how to build great apps,? said Tami Reller, Corporate Vice President and CFO, Windows & Windows Live.

[b']?[/b]The Windows 8 UI is chromeless, and it's clean, and apps can take up the entire screen. Every single pixel on the screen is there to represent your information. As an app comes to life, Windows quickly fades to the background. The apps are beautiful; they're designed for touch and work well with a mouse and keyboard, too.?

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Zain Adeel

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i have a very important question that nobody here asked.

Will we be able to run new apps in old UI mode??? example IE10 or weather app. mail. or pictures?? possible?? if not .................. there goes my hope of always buying windows OS :(

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No taskbar or Start menu, no purchase. I have no interest in the tablet fad.

This isn't a tablet fad. The new Start screen and whole interface (with no taskbar and Start menu) is designed for desktops, laptops, and tablets. This has nothing to do with any tablet fad.

is not a tablet UI. Its a phone UI and it sucks

No, it's a user interface that has been designed to work excellently on desktops, laptops, and tablets. You're completely wrong.

Looks like Windows 8 will be a true tablet UI.

And also a true desktop UI, as well as a true laptop UI.

I think this is a mistake. Majority of non tech savy people rely on the startmenu, removinng it will put alot of people in the dark.

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Well, they should stop being stupid then. It's not hard for anyone with a brain to understand how the Start screen replaces the Start menu, and how to access applications when using this screen.

i have a very important question that nobody here asked.

Will we be able to run new apps in old UI mode??? example IE10 or weather app. mail. or pictures?? possible?? if not .................. there goes my hope of always buying windows OS :(

You can run any of the new, immersive applications side-by-side with the old mode and older applications. Microsoft demonstrated this during the D9 conference and confirmed that one would be able to. By side-by-side, I mean having both types of applications open and multitasking (being able to easily switch between the two), and by running both types of applications on the screen at the same time in an Aero Snap type way.

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George P Global Moderator

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IE10 runs in both modes, it's just a different UI in use, the codes the same. Any dev can probably write their app to use both the immersive UI and the normal desktop without much problem I bet.

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Ayepecks

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That wa such an early and premature demonstration, and its under work. The full desktop version has yet to go for a full change. Things are bound to change, and what Tami Reller says would eventually come true.

You're ignoring the facts on purpose and choosing to believe something altogether different.

Reller was clearly talking about the start screen, not the desktop.

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LightShadow

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Can I just make sure and clarify.

This Immersive UI start screen and apps WILL be used on desktops and laptops with the keyboard and mouse. It'll be on nearly all devices capable of running Windows 8. All those devices will have the old UI too, it'll be easy to switch and turn off too.

But desktops and laptops will come with Immersive by default too which is a neat decision.

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