Windows 8 UI Is Chromeless

[Ayepecks]

Can I just make sure and clarify.

This Immersive UI start screen and apps WILL be used on desktops and laptops with the keyboard and mouse. It'll be on nearly all devices capable of running Windows 8. All those devices will have the old UI too, it'll be easy to switch and turn off too.

But desktops and laptops will come with Immersive by default too which is a neat decision.

There's been nothing to indicate you can turn the Start screen off as of yet. I would hope they'd include that feature, but they haven't commented on it.

[KingCrimson]

There's been nothing to indicate you can turn the Start screen off as of yet. I would hope they'd include that feature, but they haven't commented on it.

It's called the POWER button.

[Jan Veteran]

It's called the POWER button.

What...

[Ayepecks]

It's called the POWER button.

...uh.

He was talking about the Start screen. And instead turning it off to go straight to the desktop. And how that may be a feature. And not about turning off his computer completely. And... yeah.

[MFH]

All those devices will have the old UI too, it'll be easy to switch and turn off too.

You obviously mean a crippled (no start menu?) version of the old UI!

[Gutierrez]

ok. what the s*** is this UI?. what the s***?. what the s*** was that?!. And you want me to pay for this ****ty laucher what?. 300 dollars?. Are you crazy?. Are you crazy microsoft??. 300 bux for a launcher?. :laugh: yea, good luck with that.

Oh and includes the "cloud" service?. **** the cloud. Alright? **** the cloud!

[remixedcat]

hey man don't diss the cloud it could **** storm on yah.

[Ci7]

Can I just make sure and clarify.

This Immersive UI start screen and apps WILL be used on desktops and laptops with the keyboard and mouse. It'll be on nearly all devices capable of running Windows 8. All those devices will have the old UI too, it'll be easy to switch and turn off too.

But desktops and laptops will come with Immersive by default too which is a neat decision.

imagine the horde of noobs , going immediately to "guide: how to disable Windows 8 bloatware " not even bothering for a second with new Start screen

too yield "better performance!"

:whistle:

*double facepalm *

[MFH]

Oh and includes the "cloud" service?. **** the cloud. Alright? **** the cloud!

Couldn't have said it better?

[Calum Veteran]

There's been nothing to indicate you can turn the Start screen off as of yet. I would hope they'd include that feature, but they haven't commented on it.

Why do you hope they would include an option to disable the Start screen. Including that option would mean they'd have to allow people to be able to use the old Start menu, which would lead many people to straight away turn it off while not giving it a chance. While Microsoft did a similar thing with the classic Start menu, when they implemented the newer Start menu, there was uproar from some when they finally removed the classic Start menu, so the best course of action is to probably not allow people to disable the new Start screen; it's core to Windows 8 and is what it's all about.

[KingCrimson]

Why do you hope they would include an option to disable the Start screen. Including that option would mean they'd have to allow people to be able to use the old Start menu, which would lead many people to straight away turn it off while not giving it a chance. While Microsoft did a similar thing with the classic Start menu, when they implemented the newer Start menu, there was uproar from some when they finally removed the classic Start menu, so the best course of action is to probably not allow people to disable the new Start screen; it's core to Windows 8 and is what it's all about.

You will be forced to use Office "Immersive" to get work done. :unsure: :unsure:

[netsendjoe]

Soo... why do they continue to try to tell us that there is no more Start Menu or Taskbar? Its a lie.

The Start Menu and Taskbar and Windows Explorer are all still easily accessable.

The Metro UI that we've seen does not replace them. Its more like an extended Welcome Screen.

You can still choose to bypass that screen to get to your desktop, taskbar and start menu.

These things have been an iconic part of Windows, they aren't going to remove them.

[MFH]

Actually from what we've seen the start menu is gone, replaced by the start screen?

[Arkose]

Actually from what we've seen the start menu is gone, replaced by the start screen?

The traditional desktop and Start Menu have not been removed, the new tile-based UI runs alongside it. You can switch between the two seamlessly at any time and even run new and old software side by side.

Check out

for a great demonstration of how all of this works. :)

[WolvesHunt]

Lets not Forget. Steve Did say this will be the most *riskiest* windows ever.

so from my understanding for the demo videos. The start menu has been completely removed and they said this will be default across all platforms. lets take a close look at why?

They fully Removed the Start menu (in the video it shows when u click the *Desktop Tile* Or a *desktop app like Office* it brings you to the full desktop were we are use to be using. When you click the Windows Orb it brings you back to the start screen.

So *YES* the startmenu has been removed. The windows Orb (AKA start menu button) takes you to the Start screen, witch if you want, as the video shows you. You are able to (if you have a widescreen display) Snap Start Screen and desktop side by side.

The Video is miss leading on the start screen snap beside desktop. When they snap the Starts screen to the side of desktop, they snapped a start screen app to side of desktop, They never show if you can snap the start screen Tile menu beside the desktop.

None of the Windows Demo videos out to date show any user click on the Windows Orb (start menu button) and showing a full windows Start menu like we are uses to using.

my question is. Were is the search bar located on Desktop & starts screen *not referring to the explore integration search bar on the right top side* but the one that was at the bottom of the start menu

btw any one that has seen that video ^^^ notice these?

[remixedcat]

god damn that's gonna be wierd... wouldn't all this flipping and wooshing animations take extra time and be distracting? I don't see how anyone can get real work done on this.

[KingCrimson]

god damn that's gonna be wierd... wouldn't all this flipping and wooshing animations take extra time and be distracting? I don't see how anyone can get real work done on this.

I assume you hit ALT-TAB and it switched to Aero UI to do real work.

[remixedcat]

hopefully...

[Ayepecks]

Why do you hope they would include an option to disable the Start screen. Including that option would mean they'd have to allow people to be able to use the old Start menu, which would lead many people to straight away turn it off while not giving it a chance. While Microsoft did a similar thing with the classic Start menu, when they implemented the newer Start menu, there was uproar from some when they finally removed the classic Start menu, so the best course of action is to probably not allow people to disable the new Start screen; it's core to Windows 8 and is what it's all about.

I would sure hope to hell you can still use the old start menu. I don't want the start screen to pop up whenever I try to load a traditional PC program (read: not the new "experience" Microsoft has planned). I don't agree with your logic about why there should be no option. If I'm using my home desktop computer, I don't give a damn about the Start screen. It's pointless to me. Get me into the desktop so I can have a legitimate experience with the programs I need to use, like Photoshop, Steam, Word, etc.

[George P Global Moderator]

Why does the start screen not give people a legitimate experience with apps exactly? The same time it takes to click on the start orb and then click on a app if it's pinned is probably the same exact time it'll take in win8's start screen. Also, anyone using Win7 who has a number of apps they always use have them pinned to the taskbar, don't even need the start menu much if at all.

Either way, I bet the option for the start menu is there but at the same time I bet it'll kick you out of Aero.

[articuno1au]

Why do you hope they would include an option to disable the Start screen. Including that option would mean they'd have to allow people to be able to use the old Start menu, which would lead many people to straight away turn it off while not giving it a chance. While Microsoft did a similar thing with the classic Start menu, when they implemented the newer Start menu, there was uproar from some when they finally removed the classic Start menu, so the best course of action is to probably not allow people to disable the new Start screen; it's core to Windows 8 and is what it's all about.

Yes, because there is nothing a professional developer loves more then having to boot Visual Studio et all through a tile screen.

Can't wait to see how this thing works with RDP.

Soo... why do they continue to try to tell us that there is no more Start Menu or Taskbar? Its a lie.

The Start Menu and Taskbar and Windows Explorer are all still easily accessable.

The Metro UI that we've seen does not replace them. Its more like an extended Welcome Screen.

You can still choose to bypass that screen to get to your desktop, taskbar and start menu.

These things have been an iconic part of Windows, they aren't going to remove them.

This is what I originally heard. It's what I am hearing from Microsoft people I know, but I have heard a lot of rumours contrary to this, so it may have changed and just not filtered down into the offices yet :\

Either way, should be interesting.

The traditional desktop and Start Menu have not been removed, the new tile-based UI runs alongside it. You can switch between the two seamlessly at any time and even run new and old software side by side.

Check out

for a great demonstration of how all of this works. :)

Again, this is what I had heard.

[remixedcat]

I just think this whole thing needs to be cleared up my MS but I think they are getting a kick out of people doing this on forums. I think some people get off to it at MS. They love making us crazy.

[WolvesHunt]

LAST TIME THEY ARE REMOVING THE START MENU

https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1012392-windows-8-has-no-start-menu/

And please what the video.

[remixedcat]

I think it looked funny on the laptops. something about the way the flatness of the UI was in comparison to the laptop itself's aesthetics. does not mesh well.

I will also say it may have some cool features, however I am concerned about the non widescreened experience feeling limited.

the thing is wouldn't this get old after a while? it looks designed to sell and wow rather then long term productivity use.

windows phone 7 might have worked with this approach, however it looks awkward to use on regular pcs.

[Calum Veteran]

I would sure hope to hell you can still use the old start menu. I don't want the start screen to pop up whenever I try to load a traditional PC program (read: not the new "experience" Microsoft has planned). I don't agree with your logic about why there should be no option. If I'm using my home desktop computer, I don't give a damn about the Start screen. It's pointless to me. Get me into the desktop so I can have a legitimate experience with the programs I need to use, like Photoshop, Steam, Word, etc.

But what's wrong with accessing all of those programs from the new Start Screen? Why would you need the Start Menu for that? You could spend most of your time on the desktop and still use the Start Screen for the great features it could provide (live tiles, notifications etc.) It's very possible Microsoft will include a fast way for one to search and view all applications in the Windows Start Screen, just like they did with Windows Phone's Start Screen.

Yes, because there is nothing a professional developer loves more then having to boot Visual Studio et all through a tile screen.

Can't wait to see how this thing works with RDP.

[. . .]

I'm a professional developer and I'd have no problem doing that. What's wrong with launching Visual Studio and other applications in this way? Why would you dislike it so much? :s Microsoft have already confirmed that the Start Screen and new experience will integrate well with the old full desktop experience.