Woz: I Wish My iPhone Did All The Things My Android Does.

[Boz]

off topic.. I'll just say this.. I just installed MIUI ROM on my Galaxy S2 and it is by far as smooth if not smoother than iOS and it looks just stunning and minimalistic. Not to mention it comes with some absolutely beautiful themes to choose from.

The transitions between screens are so awesome and smooth it's fantastic. It takes so little to completely revamp how your Android looks and feels

[red.]

Boz - i installed MIUI too recently and works great on my old Desire, mind telling me what theme that is? I love how easy it is to customise pretty much every thing about the theme individually.

[Xahid]

So once, again, what exactly is iOS superior in compared to Android.

One does not simply argue with Apple Fan boys :p

[DeathsyctheHe11]

Reasons why Android is better would be the counterargument for reasons why iOS is better, but none were given. One can't demand a counterargument while giving nothing to counter. lrn2debate.

Eh? Maybe you should reread his and my post again. He said he likes to state why android is better. I'm not for or against his opinion but that if he never used iOS before, his merits for argument might not be taken seriously. It's good to read sometimes ><.

[Boz]

Boz - i installed MIUI too recently and works great on my old Desire, mind telling me what theme that is? I love how easy it is to customise pretty much every thing about the theme individually.

Its called Crimp

[Manish]

If you can find an app where I can enable/disable Bluetooth without having to jailbreak or go to Settings-General-Bluetooth-On/Off, let me know :)

Why do you need to keep turning Bluetooth on and off by the way? I just leave it on all the time as it only leads to a significant battery drain when it's in use.

A separate app just for turning Bluetooth off would be pointless, especially when it takes 4 taps via Settings. A toggle in the Notifications Centre is what you should be asking for (if you need it).

[Soldiers33]

Why do you need to keep turning Bluetooth on and off by the way? I just leave it on all the time as it only leads to a significant battery drain when it's in use.

A separate app just for turning Bluetooth off would be pointless, especially when it takes 4 taps via Settings. A toggle in the Notifications Centre is what you should be asking for (if you need it).

Thats what you do. Most people I know always turn off their bluetooth including me.

[monkey13]

I think Woz just winding up all the fanboys and setting them off.

He couldn't have worded it better if he set out to do it deliberately (Which I think he did). He loves the openness of Android but also loves the beauty and ease of use of the iphone.

It is the ultimate flaming.

Dance you phone fanboys dance to the Woz's tune.

[Manish]

Thats what you do. Most people I know always turn off their bluetooth including me.

Hence the question - why? Genuiningly curious. Is it due to significant battery drainage or security issues or something else?

[UndergroundWire]

And I wish Android could do all the things iOS can

Like?

[Manish]

I'm not the one who constantly brings up superiority of iOS over Android without really clarifying what it is. As always, I am more then willing to discuss technical aspects of your claims.

I'm willing to offer some of my reasons as to why iOS is "superior" (I cannot offer Muhammad's as I am not him):

• A supervised App Store
  
  • That's right, I prefer the walled garden of Apple (or whatever the kids are calling it nowadays). I like the idea that the apps have been through a selection process. With my (albeit minimal) experience with Android, I have to say that overall iOS apps have a certain "polish" to them that Android ones can tend to lack. (I've worded it this way so that no-one is offended by the phrase "of higher quality".) Although I can't conclusively state that this "polish" is due to the closed nature of Apple's App Store, I have little reason to believe otherwise.
    
  • You may also cry that I could simply be more mindful of what I install, however I put it to you that with Apple's method it adds to the ease of finding better apps, as well as the peace of mind that it is less likely to harm my device. App discovery is an issue that I have seen Android users themselves claiming as being problematic.
    
  • And yes once in a while, something decent is blocked by Apple and my fist goes up in anger, but I have found that this is occurring less and less frequently. Right now I can't think of any particular app that I want/need that has not been allowed on the App Store by Apple.
    

  [*]A more "polished" UI out-of-the-box

  • I prefer the default look of iOS over most of the themes that I've seen for both iOS and Android devices as well as the vanilla Android UI. Usually themes just look cheap and tacky to me, including the Android ruler theme grandly presented earlier. Akin to my experience with my Windows desktop PC, I grew bored of customising (via jailbreaking on my iPhone) and looking for the decent themes scattered amongst the several ugly ones; I realised that the stock look is far better-looking. Changing the wallpaper on my desktop and my iPhone is enough for me.
    
  • It has to be said that despite the sci-fi look that they're going for, it does seem that Google is finally heading in the right direction. It is somewhat pathetic that it has taken so long, but then it's almost as bad that notifications took so long to get revamped in iOS. Frankly I quite like the modern look of Metro on Windows Phone.
    
  • The term "out-of-the-box experience" is also crucial. I think it's safe to say that most customers of iOS/Android devices are not going to delve massively into the world of customising, mainly due to lack of knowledge or, like in my case, lack of time to faff around with such things. Therefore how the device works without any major modifications is important, and from what I've seen/heard personally (I can't refer you to any randomised control trials as I'm unaware of any), people generally get on much better with iOS than Android. I can only assume that this is down to simplicity and intuitiveness of iOS that comes as a result of the "polish".
    

  [*]Better integration with my iPad and Macbook Pro

  • Obviously I don't expect Google to outdo Apple in this regard.
    

  [*]Lengthier official support for my device

  [*]Better virtual keyboard

  • I had a go on my friend's Samsung Galaxy S and it was an annoying experience to say the least.
    

If you are going to make a claim, at least say what it is that is superior so you backup your opinion. If you don't have anything else say but generalize by saying speed, your opinion is not worth much.

Opinion does not need evidence to back it up. Not everything has to be a debate as not everyone is willing to participate in one.

[OOOOOOOO]

PWNED!

The fact that he still uses an iPhone as his primary phone suggests there was no PWN'ing involved. In fact, Woz has many phones. So he's not the kind of person to be brand loyal, and that's a good thing. I have a droid phone and an iPhone and my iPhone is my favourite phone to use ... but my droid phone is my favourite to make apps for :)

[Miuku.]

Like?

Be supported after you take it out of the store?

[ichi]

Like?

Proper support for Cisco VPN.

[UndergroundWire]

Be supported after you take it out of the store?

Yeah that is why I alway recommend the iPhone for people that can't think for themselves. Seriously, I'm not even trying to makle a joke here. I never had to contact support for any of my products. Not just smartphones, but computers, Blu-ray players, Playstation, Xbox, etc...

Proper support for Cisco VPN.

Works with me. Is there something I'm missing here? Does it do something more on iOS that Android doesn't do?

http://www.cisco.com....4-android.html

http://www.cisco.com...droid-acug.html

[ichi]

Works with me. Is there something I'm missing here? Does it do something more on iOS that Android doesn't do?

http://www.cisco.com....4-android.html

http://www.cisco.com...droid-acug.html

Needs root.

*edit: does it work with group/password auth credentials?

[neo1911]

I have left my tweaking/modding days behind and run a business. It gets to the point that I want a phone that will just work and update atleast for 2 years without any messing around custom stuff. That's where iPhone wins the race.

I also appreciate that iPhone restricts my geek self.

I had tough decision between 4S and Galaxy Nexus with ICS and 4S won only because I was still not sure of length of update period for Galaxy Nexus.

[UndergroundWire]

Needs root.

*edit: does it work with group/password auth credentials?

No root required. I don't know where you got that idea from and yes it works with group passwords. Read the user guide I linked before.

[Slugsie]

About the only thing I wish my Android devices had that iOS devices (mostly) have is the universal compatibility. I can walk into almost any consumer electronics store anywhere and get a hi-fi with an iPhone dock, I can buy dozens of car stereos at Halfords with iPhone docks, TVs with iPhone docks abound. There is NOTHING even close for any other device.

[BajiRav]

So once, again, what exactly is iOS superior in compared to Android.

I will bite :or at least try to but before that I should mention that I am primarily a WP user but my wife has a HTC Aria. I won't count speed against it because it has a slower processor but here are a few things I don't like compared to iOS (which now I mainly use for work reasons) -

- Dialer is a mess. So is the address book. This might be better on a larger screen but still I prefer dialer on WP/iOS

- there is no consistency in UI across devices. It's a good thing that OEMs can customize the OS but it's a bad thing that they play around with basic stuff such as Settings or the app drawer.

- multi-tasking. Android has true multi-tasking but there is no real useful UI or gestures to switch between apps. (this is probably imrpoved in latest models)

- notification area while handy is still a mess. everything gets dumped in here (but then I am not aware of how to control this centrally). iOS copied but does it a bit better. WP should take a few tips.

- music player is stupid, dumb and useless on Aria and every other Android device I have seen (Captivate, Droid, Droid X).

- camera app is much better on iOS. (this is probably imrpoved in latest models)

I know you can always customize everything but this is just comparing in default states. I always feel that much like Linux, customization is Android's double edged sword. You can customize it to your taste but you also have to customize it to make it usable.

Why do you need to keep turning Bluetooth on and off by the way? I just leave it on all the time as it only leads to a significant battery drain when it's in use.

A separate app just for turning Bluetooth off would be pointless, especially when it takes 4 taps via Settings. A toggle in the Notifications Centre is what you should be asking for (if you need it).

I agree, having wifi/BT/GPS toggles is a kind of handy but I hardly ever care about toggling them on daily/hourly basis. GPS probably is useful but wifi and BT? Not really.

[_neutrino Veteran]

I remember a few years ago he stated that He had an iPhone that he used as a phone and an OG Droid that he used for everything else.

[SaltLife]

Now owning an iOS device and actually using one, versus only being an android user... Both def. have their plus and minus qualities.. But, I think both are great devices and enjoyable to use on a daily basis.

I will def. have to agree with the article tho, that iOS is def. simplified and easier to use, however... after coming from android, it does leave you wanting to press the menu button lol. I hope that Apple decides to incorporate more "advanced" features for menu options, like you see with the maps application (though that could be a google thing) and it's flip page menu styling.

I only decided to go with an iOS device, because I switched carriers and wanted to see what all the fuss was about... its up in the air still as to what I decide to go with next.

off topic.. I'll just say this.. I just installed MIUI ROM on my Galaxy S2 and it is by far as smooth if not smoother than iOS and it looks just stunning and minimalistic. Not to mention it comes with some absolutely beautiful themes to choose from.

The transitions between screens are so awesome and smooth it's fantastic. It takes so little to completely revamp how your Android looks and feels

thats actually pretty sweet!

[ichi]

No root required. I don't know where you got that idea from and yes it works with group passwords. Read the user guide I linked before.

There are five Cisco AnyConnects apps in the Market:

-Rooted AnyConnect

-Samsung (< Sep2011) AnyConnect

-Samsung AnyConnect

-HTC AnyConnect

-Lenovo AnyConnect

Only the first one would support my phone (Samsung Nexus S), and requires rooting :(

[Allan]

I have used Palm Garnet, Windows Phone 2002, 2003, 5, 6, 6.1, 6.5, Symbian 60v3, Droid 1.5, 2.2, 2.3, and 3 .... I prefer 2.3.4 Droid. I love the task manager (long press home key.) and the amazing availability of apps ... I would prefer standardized UI, and menus on ALL devices though.

[UndergroundWire]

There are five Cisco AnyConnects apps in the Market:

-Rooted AnyConnect

-Samsung (< Sep2011) AnyConnect

-Samsung AnyConnect

-HTC AnyConnect

-Lenovo AnyConnect

Only the first one would support my phone (Samsung Nexus S), and requires rooting :(

You are right my friend. However, rooting that particular device is quiet easy. It takes 5 minutes. If you are comfortable with ADB it can be achieved.