Five Reasons why Windows 8 will be dead on arrival

[smoledman]

So you're saying Windows 8 is an OS for handicapped people?

[The_Decimator]

Like Windows Vista, it was dead before its release. Early version of Windows Vista were clear indication of it. It is not a rocket science.

Well, if you went by prototypes of almost every OS, you could've said they indicated they were all dead before release, but, obviously, that never happened. It's not rocket science to realize that prototypes usually suck. (Inb4 says you with the Longhorn sig.)

[Night Prowler]

i have to agree w/ #1. i still cant think of any reason i'll need to upgrade from 7. i havent found one new feature that has wow'd me.

That's funny, isn't that what you said when windows 7 came out, and you were on XP or Vista, and now you are on Windows 7...

[Ci7]

Dot Matrix. Let me explain how the background of startscreen works.

Its not a static image. There are layers of images. And they work and scroll at different speeds to give the parallax effect.

A custom photo will ruin it. RUIN IT .. i cannot emphasis more how bad it would look.

So kudos to MS for not listening to anyone about this.

But. What would be cool is if they desktop Looks more like Metro. So it feels like its the same material just molded differently.

But right now thats not the case. And the reason must be that 3rd party developers are not so comfortable imagining Metro Design language ported to desktop. When developers will be ready to make apps look simple and neat like Metro, Aero UI will go away. And this will happen within 3 years. Thats just a guess.

regarding the molding

bet we would be there in the next few years Code name Windows 9 :)

[remixedcat]

I don't want mold on my operating system. i had to deal with enough when i bought this house due to bad contractors.

[Growled Member]

Most people hate changes and I think they're going to be more changes in 8 than most people can handle. I see 8 as a foundation release. It is laying the foundation for the direction that Windows will take for the next few releases. It will not be accepted at first but by 9 things will be refined to the point that I see it becoming a huge hit. Sort of like the Vista/7 thing being played out again.

[devBrian]

Haha, what a poorly written and opinionated article. Go fish elsewhere.

[scaramonga]

Agree with everything the article says, Vista 2 here we go.

[scaramonga]

Let's just remind ourselve's of Vista lol, and note that this WILL be the same fiasco :)

[Matthew_Thepc]

After using the WDP on a laptop since it came out, I'd have to say that I actually enjoy it. For the first week or two I really didn't like it (I was simply too used to the start menu and how I could access anything at any time thru it) but after a while it really just became the same thing to me. When I want to launch an application, I either open up the Start Screen and press it's tile (as I would do with a pinned app or an app on my Start Menu) or do Start -> [begin typing name of app] -> enter. IMO consumers will want Metro - it allows them to do the things they want (browse the Internet, use email, facebook, (possibly) Office, play games) in an environment that's secure (app certification/Windows Store), portable (synching of data with SkyDrive), and all around a better experience than the 'old' Windows. If you don't like Metro, or if you're a power user and Metro slows you down, there'll most likely be an option to remove it, and then you can enjoy the improvements Windows 8 offers to desktop users (which, might I point out, we have yet to see since we've only been looking at a preview designed to showcase Metro).

BTW, am I wrong in thinking that even if Microsoft doesn't add a big 'TURN OFF METRO' button that there'll either be a way to do it thru registry, gpedit, or some third party mod?

there's my 2 cents

[Dot Matrix]

Let's just remind ourselve's of Vista lol, and note that this WILL be the same fiasco :)

Vista "failed" because there was a lack of compatible drivers, and underpowered hardware. NOT because it was different from XP.

So far, Windows 8 maintains 100% backwards compatibility with previous versions of Windows. If Windows 7 can run it, so can Windows 8.

[remixedcat]

Vista "failed" because there was a lack of compatible drivers, and underpowered hardware. NOT because it was different from XP.

So far, Windows 8 maintains 100% backwards compatibility with previous versions of Windows. If Windows 7 can run it, so can Windows 8.

it even ran ok in a vm on vmware player 4 and vmware workstation as well. ;-)

[scaramonga]

Vista "failed" because there was a lack of compatible drivers, and underpowered hardware. NOT because it was different from XP.

Sore coz you bought it? I never lol :) Never was stupid enough lol, sorry ;)

[Dot Matrix]

Sore coz you bought it? I never lol :) Never was stupid enough lol, sorry ;)

LMAO. Not only did I buy it (retail), I actually *still use* Vista. Vista w/ SP2 is a pretty solid OS. ;)

[Motoko.]

I like how everyone here is predicting the future when it hasn't been revealed yet. The biggest surprises reside in the unknown, so let everything have its time and its chance.

I sure will be giving Windows 8 a go.

[scaramonga]

LMAO. Not only did I buy it (retail), I actually *still use* Vista. Vista w/ SP2 is a pretty solid OS. ;)

My condolences buddy. I know times are hard around the world and such, but my heart goes out to you (and all) who happen to still use this dreadful beast, it must be terrible, and more so if you just skip to Windows 8, how awful.

Please know that I am here for you at any time.

[Motoko.]

My condolences buddy. I know times are hard around the world and such, but my heart goes out to you (and all) who happen to still use this dreadful beast, it must be terrible, and more so if you just skip to Windows 8, how awful.

Please know that I am here for you at any time.

[coolman330]

_{Looking over Windows 8, it appears it is nothing but an updated Windows 7 with metro added in. and All metro is, is a copy of IOS or android start screens, which I really dont care for. Ill probably never use the metro screen anyway, so why update, if it doesnt have any other important featrures.}

_{And watch the cost of this update, probably try to sell as a new OS, but then ask you to use there store adn make money that way. If they want tyou to do that, take that into consideration and cut the cost accordingly for what they feel they will make on the back end, AS APPLE DOES. heck there updates are free.}

_{Sorry to say, ive been waiting now for almost three to four years for this to come out, and could not wait anylonger, broke down and bought an IPAD, and just love it.}

_{Windows 8, who needs it. I am still a windows person, but will stick wth windows 7 for now until they can show me MS has added something of value to the pot. Windows 8, is nothing but eye candy and an updated money maker.}

[Dot Matrix]

_{and All metro is, is a copy of IOS or android start screens, which I really dont care for.}

What?

[efjay]

_{and All metro is, is a copy of IOS or android start screens,}

Absolutely spot on! /S

[redvamp128]

No, I would disagree-- All metro is-- just the desktop being replaced by a big Vista or Windows 7 Sidebar

But also looks just like this

Wiki-

Sidebar originated in a Microsoft Research project called Sideshow (not to be confused with Windows SideShow.) It was developed in the summer of 2000, and was used internally at Microsoft. It had many similarities to current desktop gadget software, including a clock, traffic reports, and IM integration.

Now before you go saying no way-- but picture this-- take off the desktop-- turn it to the side -- the quick launch is where your applications go (things you install) Just a thought ... though I am sure most will say no comparison....applications gathering data from websites... weather gathered from web... mail reporting in... messenger reporting in... all that is missing is a Charm Bar Media player.....stock price reports... with that you could also add a link to the control panel as well.... but I am like most that think we should wait until final beta to see if we think it is a flop or not-- look at how longhorn turned out..... We thought it would be good but turned into vista... a lot of people said Windows 7 would flop but it did not..... That and you say a copy, however, What version of IOS or Android were out in 2000? The sign in screen you say is a copy-- looks too much like that of Neptune concept images-- the original idea was a picture then move to a corner and the sign in pops up... which was a replacement for the ctl-alt-del method to sign in or being presented with a Username and Password login already on the screen (which the reason for this change is perceived danger of screen burn)

main point-- to consider--

Charm Bar= Sidebar Replacing desktop... to tell you the truth-- even Metro -- looks like early builds of Neptune (Whistler) XP before they went for the toy look...you know the color choices and the fonts.

[Coi]

Looking over Windows 8,

How did you do that? Please let me see your crystal ball!

it appears it is nothing but an updated Windows 7 with metro added in.

Just like Windows 7 is Vista with a thicker taskbar.

Let's just forget about storage spaces, settings saved on the cloud, Aero Lite, secure boot, better security (integrated MSE), improved multi-monitor support (taskbars etc), ISO mounting, improved Copy / Move dialog, Reset and Refresh, another startup / shutdown time improvement, improved memory usage (-100 MB), improved networking stack ... (when still talking about the Developer Preview).

and All metro is, is a copy of IOS or android start screens,

No.

so why update, if it doesnt have any other important featrures.

Because it's still in Developer Preview. (djeez how many times do I have to repeat this?)

And watch the cost of this update, probably try to sell as a new OS, but then ask you to use there store adn make money that way. If they want tyou to do that, take that into consideration and cut the cost accordingly for what they feel they will make on the back end, (read: blablablablabla) AS APPLE DOES. heck there updates are free.

I don't recall paying for Windows Update to get weekly updates. Neither for the service packs, what can you say about that?

Windows 8, is nothing but eye candy and an updated money maker.

I agree, companies really don't need to make money, they'll just work hard, spend millions on development and finally release it for free.

It's still ironic you said 'eye candy and money maker' after saying:

could not wait anylonger, broke down and bought an IPAD, and just love it.

Thanks for clarifying us the definition of a troll though. Good day and please keep yourself busy with stuff you have at least little knowledge of (I mean, you can't even choose a good font/size..).

[Nothing Here]

Dear god Lo Tec, you come off sounding like a complete moron here, Im sorry you may be a intelligent person, but wow this post...

I will be brief here as I could write a ton for just how wrong you are on almost every point.

1. Windows 8 is a evolution of Windows 7 on the desktop side, same as Vista to 7, there are massive improvements in usability, speed, and, a user's learning curve (ribbon being one example) and there isnt a reason to NOT upgrade from the looks of how they will deploy this the desktop side of things will be taken care of as far as making users comfortable..

2. Your opinion is your own opinion, but lets just ignore the massive audience Metro has persuaded to think its an amazing design, yea lets also ignore all of the designers (who universally hate most of Microsoft's previous work) who love Metro. Your right they are all wrong. Oh, you might also want to ignore that Metro is universally recognized as a Microsoft design, so when someone see's any platform of theirs, Xbox, WP7, or Windows they will instantly know who its from without questions. That's invaluable, whether you hate it or love it, you have to recognize that it was a good decision.

3. Windows 8 applications will benefit from the same enhancements available on the Tile side of things, Microsoft knows the market however, and everything from Windows 7 application wise is going to hit the desktop, its a hard game to convince pre-made apps to switch design's or frameworks, as such Microsoft is aware that developers who want to make an awesome WinRT desktop app will, but marketing to them is a waste of resources, thats why they focus on the Tile end of things, the new market.

4. WOW, just WOW. Please go read on WinRT and ask anyone who develops on .NET, Sliverlight, WPF.... These are the same damn technologies at play in WinRT... Which brings us to your argument for writing for ARM and X86, you realize if you develop to the WinRT spec the only difference is compiling for the arch you want to support. Heck even current Windows 7 apps could be re-compiled with minimal effort is most cases to work on ARM. You know.. I dont even need to talk about the Amazon situation, obvious propaganda is obvious, he defintiely saw how bad Windows 8 would be and applied to Amazon.... thats it!!

5. Again this is utterly wrong, AT&T is a huge supporter of Windows Phone, Nokia is in the Top 3 spot on various carriers with their Windows Phone devices, and your too old comment is so out of place with he market recognition of Window Phone being the smoothest, fastest, most modern OS on the market. Tablets will be a uphill battle but a much easier one than Windows Phone, they can leverage to many things on the Business Level, Education Level, and consumer level that this is a non-issue, the next tablet anyone buys they will instantly consider Windows 8, and lets be honest ICS still has a ways to go to be a consumer ready OS, but we will see what Google brings out this summer.

Dude, I am NOT the person who wrote this. I posted it here only for the laugh value. The person who wrote it IS a moron. The biggest hater of Microsoft. Who will continue to stoop to the lowest levels. To the point of blatant lies. But I still find him hilarious.

But I have learned that to post things I think are hilarious, doesn't go over well here. So I will not do so again in the future.

[PGHammer]

No, I would disagree-- All metro is-- just the desktop being replaced by a big Vista or Windows 7 Sidebar

But also looks just like this

Wiki-

Now before you go saying no way-- but picture this-- take off the desktop-- turn it to the side -- the quick launch is where your applications go (things you install) Just a thought ... though I am sure most will say no comparison....applications gathering data from websites... weather gathered from web... mail reporting in... messenger reporting in... all that is missing is a Charm Bar Media player.....stock price reports... with that you could also add a link to the control panel as well.... but I am like most that think we should wait until final beta to see if we think it is a flop or not-- look at how longhorn turned out..... We thought it would be good but turned into vista... a lot of people said Windows 7 would flop but it did not..... That and you say a copy, however, What version of IOS or Android were out in 2000? The sign in screen you say is a copy-- looks too much like that of Neptune concept images-- the original idea was a picture then move to a corner and the sign in pops up... which was a replacement for the ctl-alt-del method to sign in or being presented with a Username and Password login already on the screen (which the reason for this change is perceived danger of screen burn)

main point-- to consider--

Charm Bar= Sidebar Replacing desktop... to tell you the truth-- even Metro -- looks like early builds of Neptune (Whistler) XP before they went for the toy look...you know the color choices and the fonts.

What you have labeled as *Sideshow* later grew to become Sidebar, and appeared in Longhorn (the predecessor to Vista) - many MANY third-party clones of it abound. (The most well-known of which is from Brad Wardell and Stardock.)

[redvamp128]

What you have labeled as *Sideshow* later grew to become Sidebar, and appeared in Longhorn (the predecessor to Vista) - many MANY third-party clones of it abound. (The most well-known of which is from Brad Wardell and Stardock.)

You must have read my other post-- about Windows 8

http://www.neowin.ne...t__p__594661508

To quote myself--

What do you mean-- ? I thought all the fuss was when all the icons moved from the desktop to the start menu (Windows 3.x to Windows 95) , wait now the start menu is the desktop and my icons are back. Oh look you added the functionality I used to have on XP back in 2000 with sideshow to show me my websites, stock prices, and my weather... neat (being sarcastic here a bit) .... but I guess all ideas do come full circle in time.s I

And yes I ran it -- when it was on Microsoft Research....