Nurse refuses student inhaler during asthma attack

[Brandon H Supervisor]

Following the rules is clearly more important to them than saving someone's life. They should all be fired.

except they didn't follow the rules correctly either, if they had they would have called 911 right away which they didn't do .. AT ALL

[Brandon H Supervisor]

um ok, Did HE put the rules before the students life? No. He simply said they should have followed the rules, and you wished someone close to him death, so he could learn NOT to have an opinion? Really?

The rules are there to protect the school/staff from being sued, if the inhaler had been tampered with and the nurse had given it AND the student died, or got worse or any of another ****ing things, the parents would have laywered up and sued the school for breaking their own rules and some other ****. Now, they will laywer up and sue for causing little Michael stress, since he is fine now. So, damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Never mind this all could have been avoided if they had filled out the paper work given them at the beginning of the year...

in the end it boils down to common sense, where the rules let you down that's where common sense SHOULD kick in (apparently the nurse doesn't have any though ....)

[DavidM]

in the end it boils down to common sense, where the rules let you down that's where common sense SHOULD kick in (apparently the nurse doesn't have any though ....)

Yes, I agree, but wishing the death of someone close to a forum poster is just stupid. It's not like he/she had anything to do with what this school or nurse did or didn't do, but let's wish for him/her to expierence death for having an opinion.

Another thing, you can become a nurse by going to a 2 year tech school AND passing a test, yes it's that easy... well the test is hard, but with a 2 year assocates degree you can become a Registered Nurse. Stop acting like this nurse in particular has a wealth of knowledge and ethics to help them make decisions. You can pay a new grad nurse a heck of a lot less than can a Nurse with years of experience, and that's exactly what schools do. Their budgets are getting cut, and they have to make hard choices and one of these MIGHT have been to hire a new grad and make everyone who has a medical condition register their illness and medicine at the start of the year. I have no idea if that is the case here, but neither does anyone else.

[tsupersonic]

Crazy story. Did someone at the source proof read the article? Holy mother of spelling/grammar errors!

[Memphis]

Watched nurses loose their license permanently after getting a new admit and getting DC'd orders from the hospital for medicine and give them to patients. You must get a confirmation fax on the orders before giving them or you could mess a patient up bad. You must ALWAYS have the right paperwork or your license is in danger. Also, many many Asthma patients are addicted to their inhalers and are hypochondriacs, using them way to often and endangering their health. Many go so far as to fake symptoms of an asthma attack (not hard to do and seen it allot in rehab) to get their inhaler. I am also willing to bet she took a O2 SAT. Also, if bad things really happened here, the decision on backing the nurse wouldn't be up to the school, but the BON. This story smells of BS.

[farmeunit]

The school was in possession of the medication. It had confiscated the medication.

That puts ALL of the liability on their shoulders.

Furthermore, the school had a record of permission in the past, but suddenly they think it's not legit? How do you justify that?

Also, there are better ways to hide drugs than to fake an asthma inhaler :\

So if I have a prescription for painkillers, but then don't need them anymore, is it still OK for them to give them to me in the future without written permission? I had Morphine once in the hospital, can I get that now because it's on my medical chart that I had it before? Give me a break.

If the mother had been delayed by 20 minutes, the kid could have died.

I'm glad to hear that you value a signature over someone's life.

Delayed? She could have called immediately after she got the call. If my kid had a condition or not, I would have done whatever is required of me to do to make my kid safe. Not blame it on someone else. If I thought it was a bad situation, I would have called the ambulance before i even went to the school to make sure. There is something missing from this story. She is trying to find a scapegoat and get some money out of this. Mark my words. Not saying her kid wasn't in danger, but she could have done a lot more to prevent this and didn't. Simple as that.

[shamilbear]

So if I have a prescription for painkillers, but then don't need them anymore, is it still OK for them to give them to me in the future without written permission? I had Morphine once in the hospital, can I get that now because it's on my medical chart that I had it before? Give me a break.

Delayed? She could have called immediately after she got the call. If my kid had a condition or not, I would have done whatever is required of me to do to make my kid safe. Not blame it on someone else. If I thought it was a bad situation, I would have called the ambulance before i even went to the school to make sure. There is something missing from this story. She is trying to find a scapegoat and get some money out of this. Mark my words. Not saying her kid wasn't in danger, but she could have done a lot more to prevent this and didn't. Simple as that.

It's not the mother's job to call 911 if the kid is under the care and duty of the school. It is the school's responsibility. She is not blaming it on someone else. Even the school cannot explain why 911 wasn't called.

[Memphis]

It's not the mother's job to call 911 if the kid is under the care and duty of the school. It is the school's responsibility. She is not blaming it on someone else. Even the school cannot explain why 911 wasn't called.

Come work in healthcare for a bit, you will quickly discover that this story makes no sense at all. Media sensationalism combined with leaving out details.

[farmeunit]

It's not the mother's job to call 911 if the kid is under the care and duty of the school. It is the school's responsibility. She is not blaming it on someone else. Even the school cannot explain why 911 wasn't called.

It is the school's responsibility, yes, but in failing that, why didn't she do it? I would NEVER put my kids life solely in the hands of another. That's why they have MY contact information. I would make that call if I felt it was necessary. The parent should ALWAYS be more cautious for their child than anyone else, but she didn't.

Good thing you don't have to be repsonsible anymore these days in most people eyes. /s

And as sidroc pointed out, there is more to this story.

[Anibal P]

This will be an easy win for the family when they properly sue the daylights out of the school, the nurse, and the district

[nukenorman]

Wow crazy story but also very sad. Not suprised another one of these crazy stories coming out of the same country always.............. America.

[mokthraka]

So if I have a prescription for painkillers, but then don't need them anymore, is it still OK for them to give them to me in the future without written permission? I had Morphine once in the hospital, can I get that now because it's on my medical chart that I had it before? Give me a break.

you dont stop needing a inhaler.

it isnt hard to get one perscribed either. I had to go to an urgent care clinic cause I was sick, before I left I mentioned that I didnt have an inhaler and needed one. the doctor didnt ask any questions about it really and just gave me my perscription.

[farmeunit]

you dont stop needing a inhaler.

it isnt hard to get one perscribed either. I had to go to an urgent care clinic cause I was sick, before I left I mentioned that I didnt have an inhaler and needed one. the doctor didnt ask any questions about it really and just gave me my perscription.

Actually you can stop needing an inhaler. I have several friends that had them when younger and don't need them anymore.

And that was just one example of many.

[mokthraka]

Actually you can stop needing an inhaler. I have several friends that had them when younger and don't need them anymore.

And that was just one example of many.

regardless, if you are 17, they should be able to take your word that you need the damn thing. it is a inhaler, not a schedule 1 or 2 substance.

[Japlabot]

Having the name, drug, doctor, etc. on the medication box/tube is a legal perscription. This is all the proof you need anywhere in the world. I do not see how a school POLICY can trump the LAW. The actual perscription trumps parental permission. Hope they get sue happy

[mokthraka]

Having the name, drug, doctor, etc. on the medication box/tube is a legal perscription. This is all the proof you need anywhere in the world. I do not see how a school POLICY can trump the LAW. The actual perscription trumps parental permission. Hope they get sue happy

seriously, If i worked at that school, I would have forced them to give the kid his inhaler. getting fire is a much better outcome then being responsible for someones injuries or death.

[mudslag]

Actually you can stop needing an inhaler. I have several friends that had them when younger and don't need them anymore.

And that was just one example of many.

The example of your friends not needing them in no way means others dont. But yes some people can learn to control their asthma. I have to take daily allergy and heartburn medication and that helps my asthma out a ton to the point that I only need my inhaler when I exercise or its hot and humid out.

[mokthraka]

after 13 its unlikley you will grow out of asthma. There is a reason you cannot join the Military if you have be diagnosed or proscribed anything for asthma after you turn 13.

[mudslag]

I didnt develop asthma til my early 20s but I was out of the military by then.

[mokthraka]

I didnt develop asthma til my early 20s but I was out of the military by then.

you can develop it later on, but for the most part if you develop it after 13, you have it for good. some people rarely grow out of it

I was so tempted to lie and say I didnt have it :/

[Rippleman]

if the nurse DID give him the inhaler then died, the nurse would have done hard time in prison due to not following the rules. Damned if you do, damned if you dont

[mokthraka]

if the nurse DID give him the inhaler then died, the nurse would have done hard time in prison due to not following the rules. Damned if you do, damned if you dont

im sure his doctor wrote him a perscription that would kill him.

[Julius Caro]

The mother should have signed the proper forms. Kids can die from aspirin if they have a certain genetic makeup, so if they are given aspirin by the school, for certain symptoms that would suggest they needed aspirin, but they die, you are saying the school shouldn't be held accountable? I just use that one example as there are so many to consider.

It has nothing to do with being PC and everything to do with people taking responsibility for their kids and their safety and not expecting the school to make life decisions without parent's consent and written permission.

The simple fact is that the kid is still alive.

i thought that nowadays aspirin is completely contraindicated for people under 18, so I suppose they dont do that anymore.

anyway, I dont think you are comparing the same situations. this kid should have had been given access to her own inhaler, period

[Stoffel]

This is BS,

the kid was known to have asthma and had a prescription, what more do you need.

The way I see it you can put all the blame on the nurse.

[FloatingFatMan]

The nurse IS clearly at fault, not only for withholding the inhaler during a clear asthma attack, but also for not calling 911. I can see taking it away when not needed, but during a clear need? Irresponsible; she needs her license taking away, stat. She's a danger to every sick person around her.