dead.cell Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 How do you know that? Toronto huh? Yeah, as another fellow Texan, let's just say we got a good feeling on this. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 We are just animals. We are not above our instincts just yet. This was one of those situations that you don't want to find yourself on the wrong end, because the bond between a father and daughter is as deep as the oceans. I would have most likley reacted in the same fashion... just losing my mind until what I was protecting was secure. You shouldn't bring harm upon another human, unless you are prepared for that harm to be returned back to you. Equal and Opposite reactions :) While a death is horrible, we are animals, and death is a inevitability. Death will come in many forms. Some forms of death are necessary... this was one of them, as he was not innocent or moral. I don't recall our instinct telling us we should be mating with 4 year old girls... green_link, Order_66 and nocturnalis 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewbares Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I don't recall our instinct telling us we should be mating with 4 year old girls... And my dog's instincts don't tell him to hump an inanimate pillow.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Patriot Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 A life is a life, and everybody only gets one. No matter how wretched they are, death for a non lethal crime is just wrong. While this particular child survived, the same can't always be said of children this young who are molested. The injuries a small child can sustain from that are certainly capable of causing death. Charisma 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revparadigm Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Killing isn't always murder. They can have clear separation based upon intent & circumstance. If someone was trying to rape my daughter and I happened to end his life in a struggle to stop & apprehend him...I wouldn't lose one minute of sleep thinking I was personally guilty of murder. My conscience would be clear. nocturnalis, -Alex-, Open Minded and 1 other 4 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewbares Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Killing isn't always murder. They can have clear separation based upon intent & circumstance. If someone was trying to rape my daughter and I happened to end his life in a struggle to stop & apprehend him...I wouldn't lose one minute of sleep thinking I was personally guilty of murder. My conscience would be clear. I somehow have a feeling that if this scenario actually happened to you, that you would feel differently. How you THINK you would behave and how you ACTUALLY behave are two completely different things. If you killed someone in real life, it all becomes real... they had a name, they had a face you saw, a face you felt, they might have had a family, children, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 ^ Odd that you didn't complain that this was a cut-N-paste story, Andrew. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revparadigm Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 I somehow have a feeling that if this scenario actually happened to you, that you would feel differently. How you THINK you would behave and how you ACTUALLY behave are two completely different things. If you killed someone in real life, it all becomes real... they had a name, they had a face you saw, a face you felt, they might have had a family, children, etc... Sorry I will speak for myself. Thank you. No I wouldn't. So what if some child rapist had a family...if he came after my daughter and he happened to die from me stopping him - so be it. He put himself in that dangerous position by preying upon my daughter. Notice I said in all this "if he happened to die"...I wouldn't intentionally try to end his life [ or I would do my best not to kill him] but if he does...one less child predator on the planet. I should add this. I have ZERO sympathy for child predators. Instead of thinking about the what ifs on the side of the perpetrator...my God what about the innocent child? Getting scarred for life by some slobbering psychopath. Nope. Nota. Not one ounce of feelings for a child rapist. -Alex-, nocturnalis, Open Minded and 3 others 6 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calum Veteran Posted June 13, 2012 Veteran Share Posted June 13, 2012 [. . .] I hope the man suffered every single blow with full pain. [. . .] That part of your post is concerning. Sexually abusing a child is one of the worst acts someone can commit, but I don't believe anyone ever deserves to feel any physical pain. You state you would like this man to feel "full pain" :blink: -Alex- 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippleman Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Even knowing that I would face murder charges I would still do the same thing. Murder charge is a small price to pay for that kind of justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biotoxic_hazard_835 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Can you blame him ? I would have cut his wee- wee and make him eat it before beating him into a pulp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel_rh Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 I think that in some way it should be considered as self defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted June 13, 2012 Member Share Posted June 13, 2012 If I had been the dad I would have done the same thing. -Alex- 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xilo Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 How do you know that? Texas has a huge stance on defending yourself and your property with whatever force you deem fit pretty much. To put it into perspective, in 2007 a guy shot and killed 2 people that were robbing a neighbors house. Due to the castle doctrine that allows a person to defend property, he was never arrested nor indicted. WAQT 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewbares Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Sorry I will speak for myself. Thank you. No I wouldn't. So what if some child rapist had a family...if he came after my daughter and he happened to die from me stopping him - so be it. He put himself in that dangerous position by preying upon my daughter. Notice I said in all this "if he happened to die"...I wouldn't intentionally try to end his life [ or I would do my best not to kill him] but if he does...one less child predator on the planet. I should add this. I have ZERO sympathy for child predators. Instead of thinking about the what ifs on the side of the perpetrator...my God what about the innocent child? Getting scarred for life by some slobbering psychopath. Nope. Nota. Not one ounce of feelings for a child rapist. K, come talk to me after you've killed someone. Cause right now you're all talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindTrickz Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 That part of your post is concerning. Sexually abusing a child is one of the worst acts someone can commit, but I don't believe anyone ever deserves to feel any physical pain. You state you would like this man to feel "full pain" :blink: No one ever deserves to feel any physical pain? What a load on nonsense. So you mean to tell me that mass murderers, Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, child slavers/Sex-traffickers do not deserve to feel "any physical pain"?. People who molest children deserve that the worst. They themselv are inflicinting "physical pain" on defenseless children; so these waste of skin deserve not only physical pain but in many cases even death. This POS got what he deserved, and the world is a better place for it. Open Minded, Southern Patriot and Charisma 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Spaceman Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 As a father of a 4 year old, I'd kill anyone screwing with her in an inappropriate way. MindTrickz and c.grz 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 K, come talk to me after you've killed someone. Cause right now you're all talk. I'll about it - what do you want to know? Defensing another? Yes. Other options? None. Trouble from authorities? No. Do it again? In a millisecond. Regrets? For him, Sub-zero. Concerns? For his family, of course - but he's the one that made it inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewbares Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 why are you defending child molesters? , and no they arent the same as a dog humping a pillow (as you insinuated in a previous post). Child molesters deserve to be killed in the most painful and brutal way possible. this piece of **** got off easy. When was I ever defending a child molester? And when did I ever say that they're the same as a dog humping a pillow? Actually killing someone with your own bare hands stirs up a lot more emotions than you would think. That's why people who come back from war have difficult times adjusting back to normal life. You can say that you would punch someone until they're completely dead and kill them with your bare hands, but if you actually did it, it would be far more real and haunting than just talking about it. And someone said that it's not in our animalistic nature to have sex with 4 year olds, so that's why I brought up dogs having sex with inanimate pillows.... Our animalistic nature sometimes drives us to want to have sex with things that aren't "natural". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewbares Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 After fatally shooting a person in self-defense some years ago, I still have pangs of conscience and inner doubts. The worst for me has been: Could I have done differently? (But I know the answer is: I had no choice.) Killing another human being is, indeed, "a hell of a thing" to a person of conscience. It's going to obsess you, off and on, for the rest of your life. And this is probably the hardest thing to live with. (source) Grossman (retired Special Forces soldier) emphasizes how naturally horrifying the act of killing is to non-psychopaths, and how destructive it is to one?s mental health to be forced to kill another human being.... anyone other than a blooming psychopath will likely feel guilty about feeling good after killing someone! (source) Killing someone isn't a light-hearted matter. Especially killing someone with your bare hands. I'm afraid it's not like the movies or video games show, it's REAL. I too would want this molester to die or be severley punished. That's not what I'm arguing. My point is that any normal human being will feel some sort of guilt or depression after killing another human being. If someone was raping me, I would probably kill them. However, I know for sure that after the fact, I'm going to have to live knowing that I killed someone, and deal with the mental trauma that can bring. You guys think you're immune to that... well you won't know until you ACTUALLY KILL SOMEONE. According to specialists and people who have been in these scenarios (and the dad in this article), people are often troubled after killing someone even in self defense. nocturnalis 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
articuno1au Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 tl;dr'ed the thread. There was a similar case in Aus, where due to political pressure the case was taken to court. The jury refused, point blank, to find him guilty on anything despite the direction given by the judge (which not biased in nature, but told them to only assess whether her had killed or not, not whether it was self defense or not). Saddest part of all this is what will happen to the poor girl :( Charisma 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metro2012 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 anaron r u a father? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaGinger Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 One less pedo on the street. I dont see a problem. Charisma and Open Minded 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwaysonacoffebreak Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 I don't understand how can someone say he didn't deserve to die. In that situation people don't think, they act as they feel neccecary, most would just would have keep on beating his ass even after he was dead, it's an mental trauma for the little girl but take the point of view of the father, thats your child you'll do everything to protect her, even kill another person. I don't even feel sorry for the pedo, got what was coming to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick H. Supervisor Posted June 13, 2012 Supervisor Share Posted June 13, 2012 The difference between you and the father is that you'd willingly kill someone. It's implied in the article that the father didn't kill him on purpose. In fairness, perochan said that he would do the same in that situation. That could just mean that he would defend the daughter, not that he would purposefully kill the other man. As an example, if it were me in the father's situation I would have probably reacted the same way, and if the man died because of it I would be just as remorseful as the father is. Would I defend my daughter with the specific intention of killing the other person? No. To me, being a murderer is worse than being a child molester. I disagree completely. green_link 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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