Nokia only sold 330k Lumia in the US

[Osiris]

I honestly don't think these numbers mean much, anyone who thought they were going to turn the company around or asail this market in one product cycle has the analytical skills and forethought of a fool. Expect more layoffs, expect things to get worse before they get better. Major company changes like this and aligning yourself with microsoft in a billions of dollar deal, put in motion, years of planning and calculations and contingencies...only the marketing team should be drawing conclusions from these numbers and trying to work out why the EU sales don't align with the US ones and what they can do differently.

[Rudy]

What do they say about putting all your eggs in one basket?

[jakem1]

What do they say about putting all your eggs in one basket?

Lucky Nokia haven't done that then ;)

[Charisma Veteran]

You know, it may be due to lack of advertising. I don't watch much TV, so maybe I'm way off base here (someone please correct me if I am wrong) but I've never seen an advert for a WP in the US. Lots of Android and iPhone stuff, BlackBerry here and there (mostly online or in magazines) but I never see WP stuff here like I do in other countries. Maybe most people just aren't aware it exists.

[Alwaysonacoffebreak]

Everyone keeps speculating on the 900 and keeps on forgetting these are not official numbers and there's not just 900 Lumia. :laugh:

[UseLess]

To be honest, I would expect sales to be low for nokia, but not THAT low - I think 300k is quite off the mark.

With regards to dropping WP: I think the WP line is great and WP8 will (hopefully) offer all the features that WP7 is lacking. I wont go into any more detail as it's off topic and will just incite flame =P

[HawkMan]

You would rather they just went bankrupt instead? - Nokia can't survive on this small volume of sales and their feature phones in other markets don't make anywhere near enough profit to sustain the company. Why do you think they've just announced in June that a further 10,000 employees will lose their jobs?

Windows Phone is killing them, not enough people are buying them.

Symbian is killing them, Android would kill them even faster. their hope is to get sales of WP up. symbian is their anchor holding them in and sinking deeper in the much pulling them in. once their free of symbian then the real numbers pop in. switching to a brand new OS is always a hard and costly affair when you're doign it across a product group like this, but with Android they'd already have been bankrupt. contrary to popular belief, the word android doesn't sell phones, maybe to geeks, but 0.000001% of the population doesn't matter.

[HawkMan]

Guys at Nokia should have chosen Meego instead like so many of us were advocating but instead they got in bed with Microsoft - they aren't the first company to die from association and won't be the last.

Except Meego was another burning platform and even the head developer(I've posted links to the intervivew many times) admitted that getting a bug free MeeGo would have taken two years beyond the launch of their WP lineup, and even then they would only be able to release a few phones on that compared to the amount of phones they could do with WP. and remember the N9 was not MeeGo. And it costs way to much, same problem as with android, they just couldn't afford it and there was no itnerest in the OS outside of geek circles again, and then just a sub set of that again.

[HawkMan]

?he funny thing is, the N9 was a hit phone, yet it was killed by Nokia and Elop. They didn't even give Meego a chance. Which is a shame, because Tizen, its new form, could become the third ecosystem.

Eh, no it wasn't. We and most other stores have a whole bunch of N9's in our storerooms or shelfs. the "success" numbers for the N9 was shipped. thanks to deals Nokia and suppliers had with store chains making a whole lot of chains buy them up in huge numbers and then push them on the stores. where they still sit. and it was abandoned because it was half an OS that was only released to try and get back SOME of the money they wasted on the MeeGo dev to start with

[Miuku.]

Except Meego was another burning platform

Symbian wasn't a burning platform until that retard opened his mouth - it would've kept Nokia easily afloat during the transition period.

If I had known what a spastic moron Elop was when I saw him walking there, I would've thrown him out of the building and onto the street.

they would only be able to release a few phones on that compared to the amount of phones they could do with WP.

Number of models has nothing to do with how well you're selling - take a look at iPhone if you want some proof of that.

[Alwaysonacoffebreak]

Symbian wasn't a burning platform until that retard opened his mouth - it would've kept Nokia easily afloat during the transition period.

That's actually the first time I have to agree with you :/

[HawkMan]

Symbian wasn't a burning platform until that retard opened his mouth - it would've kept Nokia easily afloat during the transition period.

Number of models has nothing to do with how well you're selling - take a look at iPhone if you want some proof of that.

Yes it was, that's why the board hired Elop to start with, to get the train back on track, because the Meeo dev team wasn't gettign anywhere, for every new feature they finished coding, they added 5 major bugs. they where in a death spiral where bugs where appearign faster than finished working code, and they didn't even have the base for a working OS yet. In fact Elop was the one who organized them enough to fiinish the ****** OS that was Harmattan to at least get some of the money back from the giant hole in the ground called MeeGo.

As for Symbian it had been burnign for years, they where on their 4th iteration of redoing the touch OS and they still fiailed at it woth inconsistency and user paradigms still being tuck from the non touch UI. it just didn't work and reviews repeatedly told them so, and the people who where buying phones, so even regular peopel knew to stay away from Symbian on touch .

No, they don't and MeeGo would have cost far more than WP did for them, in fact, due to the money given them, for choosing WP and all the programmers and engineers on loan from MS for free. MeeGo is would be many many times as expensive per phone, now add in far few models on top of that, and little to no interest in the OS and no trust in Nokia's ability to make a touch OS anymore from regular peopel and Nokia's own board, and there you go.

[Draconian Guppy]

These threads always degenerate into:

Apple user: OMG BUT OUR APPLES ARE TEH BESTEST

WP user: OH BUT thats ONE DEVICE:

ANDROID user: We are the pwnz0rs j00r devicez00rs

Average Joe: what version of iPhone does your android use?

[Alwaysonacoffebreak]

These threads always degenerate into:

Apple user: OMG BUT OUR APPLES ARE TEH BESTEST

WP user: OH BUT thats ONE DEVICE:

ANDROID user: We are the pwnz0rs j00r devicez00rs

Average Joe: what version of iPhone does your android use?

So...what am I? My phone pwnz my other phone and the pwned phone is the only phone? Doesn't quite make sense.

But you are right, it's always a flame fest either from one side or the other. :(

[simplezz]

Except Meego was another burning platform

What?? Nokia hadn't even released a Meego phone before Elop decided to go WP exclusive. Then he kept delaying Meego, until everyone got fed up with it and started leaving the company. In fact, the N9 was pretty successful considering the next to no advertising, and limited distribution. Elop said himself, that even if Meego was a success, he'd still kill it. He's on a one man mission to destroy Nokia - and it's working!

As far as Symbian is concerned, it only became a burning platform because of Elop's self-fulfilling prophesy memo.

and even the head developer(I've posted links to the intervivew many times) admitted that getting a bug free MeeGo would have taken two years beyond the launch of their WP lineup

Elop kept delaying Meego's release and angering the devs. It's been documented. It was all done to promote WP7 and preemptively kill Meego.

and even then they would only be able to release a few phones on that compared to the amount of phones they could do with WP. and remember the N9 was not MeeGo. And it costs way to much, same problem as with android, they just couldn't afford it and there was no itnerest in the OS outside of geek circles again, and then just a sub set of that again.

Blah blah blah. All excuses. We've heard the real reasons from ex-Nokia staff. Elop wanted to go WP and Microsoft exclusive, and that meant killing everything else. Symbian with the *leaked* memo, and Meego with delays and poor distribution and marketing.

[+Ryster Subscriber²]

Source? From what I hear in the UK, the Lumia is doing terrible and the operators have criticised WP7 for its inability to compete against iOS and Android.

Nokia is losing marketshare dramatically in Europe now that Symbian is a dead end.

You moan about somebody not quoting a source for their statement, and then start another unsubstantiated statement of your own with "From what I hear....".

Hypocrisy much?

[Rudy]

Lucky Nokia haven't done that then ;)

I don't really see them selling anything other than WP, sure they still have a few Symbian devices hidden in the back but that's not going to get them through the next few years

[Draconian Guppy]

So...what am I? My phone pwnz my other phone and the pwned phone is the only phone? Doesn't quite make sense.

But you are right, it's always a flame fest either from one side or the other. :(

Lol a phone is a phone is a phone? :p

[MindTrickz]

The trojan horse known as Elop has indeed been succesful in destroying Nokia from within.

[simplezz]

You moan about somebody not quoting a source for their statement, and then start another unsubstantiated statement of your own with "From what I hear....".

Hypocrisy much?

Source [Reuters]

[MindTrickz]

You moan about somebody not quoting a source for their statement, and then start another unsubstantiated statement of your own with "From what I hear....".

Hypocrisy much?

He is right.. European carriers have criticized Nokia and said that their phones would been easier to sell if they ran Android.

[rfirth]

Source [Reuters]

That article was written a month before the Nokia Lumia 900 was released in the UK...

[Depicus]

You moan about somebody not quoting a source for their statement, and then start another unsubstantiated statement of your own with "From what I hear....".

Hypocrisy much?

Not that I want to take sides but from the horses mouth http://results.nokia.com/results/Nokia_results2012Q1e.pdf

Note Nokia is tanking in every division but big loses in China and Europe hurt the most, the USA was a very small part of their market - so even if they don't carry on the death spiral with WP8 it really isn't going to help dumb phone sales.

[HawkMan]

What?? Nokia hadn't even released a Meego phone before Elop decided to go WP exclusive. Then he kept delaying Meego, until everyone got fed up with it and started leaving the company. In fact, the N9 was pretty successful considering the next to no advertising, and limited distribution. Elop said himself, that even if Meego was a success, he'd still kill it. He's on a one man mission to destroy Nokia - and it's working!

Nokia has never released a MeeGo phone(clue, the N9 isn't). and no the N9 wasn't as I said. it was sold to stores but never to customers. of course he wanted to destroy MeeGo, That's what the board hired him to do. I think you have problems understanding that, Elop is doing what the Nokia board asked him to do, if they didn't agree or thought he was doign wrong, they would have removed him again.

The Board and Elop is a team trying to save Nokia. Maybe you need to learn how these companies work before you sprout ridiculous BS

[HawkMan]

Blah blah blah. All excuses. We've heard the real reasons from ex-Nokia staff. Elop wanted to go WP and Microsoft exclusive, and that meant killing everything else. Symbian with the *leaked* memo, and Meego with delays and poor distribution and marketing.

I've already given you the link TWICE in other threads before with the interview with the former Nokia Head MeeGo developer where he explains that MeeGo wasn't going anywhere and even the team knew they couldn't get a working product out. I'm pretty sure he knows more than you about the status of it, as for Jolla, programmers who after this long since they where sacked still couldn't find other jobs since noone wants their skill, and after the failure in making a decent working product out of MeeGo noone wnated them anyway, so they make their own company and talk abotu how great everything was going with MeeGo. They're not gonna say the truth and say that the product they're now trying to make a living on was a pipe dream and will never be a bug free smooth experience and that Harmattan was the best that could be made of it.