Nokia only sold 330k Lumia in the US

[+Ryster Subscriber²]

He is right.. European carriers have criticized Nokia and said that their phones would been easier to sell if they ran Android.

I never said he was wrong. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of criticising somebody for not quoting a source, and then in the same paragraph making a statement of fact without a source.

[HawkMan]

He is right.. European carriers have criticized Nokia and said that their phones would been easier to sell if they ran Android.

Which is bull****, it's not about the customers, it's about the salesmen who are pushing android phones on everyone, the customer doesn't know an android phone from a X6. They buy what you tell them they need. or what the reviewers last said was the greatest. which of course doesn't take "their" needs into account at all. which ends up with tons of people buying the SIII because it has the best specs, meanwhile the inferior Xperia S runs circles around it in pretty much everything, and certainly everything that matters to the customer.

[lunarworks]

It's a shame. I think Windows Phone 7 is a better designed phone OS than Android.

Well, it was a long string of mistakes, which wasn't helped in the least by their recent "Osbourning" of all currently available phones by announcing there would be no upgrade path to WP8. I don't see any incentive to go out and buy one at the moment.

("But... WP 7.8 will look like WP8!" If it can't run WP8 apps, and it can't, it's an orphaned platform. It's all about the apps.)

[Alwaysonacoffebreak]

He is right.. European carriers have criticized Nokia and said that their phones would been easier to sell if they ran Android.

All what I could read from that article:

"Blah blah blah the biggest operator, blah blah blah, the biggest operator blah"

Have you ever considered why didn't they once name that "operator"?

Suffering from image and hardware bugs? WHAT?

Also Estonian market is full flat from Lumia's (Except the pink ones :wacko: ), it's a small market yes but that already shows you something.

[123456789A]

What do they say about putting all your eggs in one basket?

You get better tasting omelets?

[BajiRav]

I don't really see them selling anything other than WP, sure they still have a few Symbian devices hidden in the back but that's not going to get them through the next few years

But simplezz and others in the thread are claiming that Symbian would have saved them?

[webdev511]

WP has been a hit... against a wall. If I were in Microsoft management, right now, I would be pretty scared of the "Metro UI-powered" Windows 8 launch in October....

You were spot on right up to the ellipsis. Windows Phone 7 devices have insanely high customer satisfaction ratings, so a bet on WP7 is a heck of a lot safer than a bet on Android fragmentation. The Lumia 900 was sold on one carrier in the US. If they sold it on both AT&T and Verizon those numbers would have gone up considerably. Of course that will get tested if VZW actually carries a full selection of WP8 devices instead of just a single base model like they did with WP7.

[Alwaysonacoffebreak]

But simplezz and others in the thread are claiming that Symbian would have saved them?

Not saved. Keeping them in business while dealing with WP.

[BajiRav]

Not saved. Keeping them in business while dealing with WP.

Well fact is, Nokia was already going down with Symbian, you know the whole reason they had to do Meego? WP or Android wouldn't have made any difference.

The android market is a mess there is only Samsung who actually makes any money in that market besides Microsoft (licensing) and Google (licensing/royalties).

[Miuku.]

But simplezz and others in the thread are claiming that Symbian would have saved them?

Let's imagine you have a cruise vessel - now let's imagine two vastly different scenarios:

Scenario I: The captain announces via intercom that the ship is sinking, everyone should run for their lives or gruesome death awaits.

Scenario II: The captain announces via intercom that the ship has run into minor engine problems and they need to make repairs before moving on.

Elop was scenario numero uno.

Symbian would have kept Nokia float long enough for them to get the Meego out the door with a stable framework to publish applications on. Now it's a sinking boat where all the professionals have already left the building and have gone to form a new company - one that I personally expect much more from.

[BajiRav]

Let's imagine you have a cruise vessel - now let's imagine two vastly different scenarios:

Scenario I: The captain announces via intercom that the ship is sinking, everyone should run for their lives or gruesome death awaits.

Scenario II: The captain announces via intercom that the ship has run into minor engine problems and they need to make repairs before moving on.

Elop was scenario numero uno.

Symbian would have kept Nokia float long enough for them to get the Meego out the door with a stable framework to publish applications on. Now it's a sinking boat where all the professionals have already left the building and have gone to form a new company - one that I personally expect much more from.

Uh No

Actual Scenario: Symbian was sinking.

[Alwaysonacoffebreak]

If you are reffering to the statscounter site you should take a closer look why.

All in all we should just wait until the 19'th to see how the Lumia has worked out for Nokia overall not just the US/UK

[Miuku.]

Actual Scenario: Symbian was sinking.

Clearly. That's why it's still selling better than Windows Phone.

[Alwaysonacoffebreak]

S40 outsells them both :laugh:

[jakem1]

I don't really see them selling anything other than WP, sure they still have a few Symbian devices hidden in the back but that's not going to get them through the next few years

So you do see them selling something other than WP after all :rolleyes:

[theyarecomingforyou]

The Board and Elop is a team trying to save Nokia. Maybe you need to learn how these companies work before you sprout ridiculous BS

No business sets out to fail. The problem is that Nokia is burning through its cash reserves and the public response to Nokia's WP7 products has been tepid at best. Nokia has basically gone all-in on Microsoft's WP platform and it hasn't paid off yet, which isn't exactly surprising considering that the Lumia range is far from cutting edge.

Nokia went from dominating the market to playing catch-up and it's possible that their current strategy is simply too little, too late. It's not that WP7 is bad per se - it's more that the Nokia brand simply doesn't carry the same value that it used to. Despite Nokia having billions of dollars in cash reserves analysts are predicting that Nokia burn through what cash it has and will be vulnerable to a take-over bid. Nokia used to produce good products but the Lumia range just isn't particularly competitive.

[articuno1au]

ITT: People talking about things they don't know anything about; Speculation, FUD and stupidity.

Another glorious day on Neowin.

[HawkMan]

The trojan horse known as Elop has indeed been succesful in destroying Nokia from within.

I don't think you know what trojan horse means.

[HawkMan]

Let's imagine you have a cruise vessel - now let's imagine two vastly different scenarios:

Scenario I: The captain announces via intercom that the ship is sinking, everyone should run for their lives or gruesome death awaits.

Scenario II: The captain announces via intercom that the ship has run into minor engine problems and they need to make repairs before moving on.

Elop was scenario numero uno.

Symbian would have kept Nokia float long enough for them to get the Meego out the door with a stable framework to publish applications on. Now it's a sinking boat where all the professionals have already left the building and have gone to form a new company - one that I personally expect much more from.

Except for the little fact scenario two has been what Elop has done all the time. They're still developing Symbian, they're still releasing symbian devices, heck their new camera is only symbian for now. They announced they where NOT abandoning symbian.

More importantly normal users don't even know about the power struggle. they just know nokia is nokia, and they know that every review int he last few years since Nokia started doing consumer touch phones has said to stay away from them because in 1, then 2, then 3 then 4 iteraions of their OS they are still unable to make a usable touch interface.

[HawkMan]

No business sets out to fail. The problem is that Nokia is burning through its cash reserves and the public response to Nokia's WP7 products has been tepid at best. Nokia has basically gone all-in on Microsoft's WP platform and it hasn't paid off yet, which isn't exactly surprising considering that the Lumia range is far from cutting edge.

The only ones who care baout uctting edge and specs are reviewers and geeks. heck the best Android phones aren't the cutting edge, as I have said before, Sony's lower spec phones outperform Samsung top end cutting edge SIII phone in OS performance and battery performance. and even Google recognizes that and says Sony is their best partner and the only one who bother to properly optimize the OS and software for their phone hardware.

[jakem1]

...the Lumia range is far from cutting edge.

I'm not sure I would say that. Lumia's might not have the latest multi-core processors but they generally outperform anything running Android and don't suffer from the woeful performance issues that that OS exhibits. Also, I can only speak for the Lumia 800 but it's an extremely well made phone using cutting edge materials and manufacturing processes.

[Vice]

Sony's lower spec phones outperform Samsung top end cutting edge SIII phone in OS performance and battery performance. and even Google recognizes that and says Sony is their best partner and the only one who bother to properly optimize the OS and software for their phone hardware.

Source?

[Depicus]

I don't think you know what trojan horse means.

Well Nokia was once described my Microsoft as the enemy they wanted to destroy http://www.economist.com/node/1454300

?We want to fend off Microsoft?we don't want to go the way of the PC business?

And Microsoft don't have a great background in partner relationships http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/01/06/microsofts_masterplan_to_screw_phone/

[simplezz]

I never said he was wrong. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of criticising somebody for not quoting a source, and then in the same paragraph making a statement of fact without a source.

I wasn't criticising him for not providing a source. I was asking for one. Big difference. And I provided you with one when you asked, the same can't be said of the person I was quoting.

[still1]

That's really hard to believe, since the Lumia 900 was on top of sales chart for several weeks at Amazon. It still is in top 10 (for black only, and combined sales number would be even higher).

we dont know how much it should sell to make it to the top list in Amazon.

it could be just 1000 device a day which makes it to only 60k over a period of 2 months.

and Amazon number can be taken in to consideration since most wont go to amazon to buy phones.