Nokia only sold 330k Lumia in the US

[Alwaysonacoffebreak]

As Nokia has stated already, they do have a backup plan if WP fails (which it hasn't - only has for Android fanbois.) At least thats good news for them and for the stockholders :shiftyninja:

[Growled Member]

So when do we decide when WP has failed?

[Noir Angel]

So if you see no value in graphics acceleration in OS then care to explain why Android gets lower perf and battery life when running on similar hardware as WP7. Some of the early Windows Phones were consistently better in this regard.

Multitasking and background services. Windows Phone feels fast because just like the early versions of iOS it's seriously dumbed down.

[rfirth]

"83 million mobile phones were sold during the quarter, of which 71 million were feature phones and 12 million were smartphones. Of those 12 million smartphones, 2 million of them were Windows Phones" ....

So you claim that 1 in 6 (2 in 12) smartphones sold were Windows Phones? That's not so bad. That's 17% of all smartphones.

However, Nokia claims that it sold 2 million Windows Phones itself during the first quarter of 2012. Add on top of that the sales figures of Samsung and HTC, and millions of Windows Phones were sold in the first quarter alone... so your figure for a total of 2 million Windows Phones doesn't make sense... unless you are only talking about Nokia Windows Phones.

Let's wait a couple days for Nokia to announce 2nd quarter sales. It will again be in the millions for worldwide sales.

nielsen said they wont support it that doesn't mean the stats are not true or close.. that means they are not claiming those numbers since the other data is from comscore.. How ever you see WP7 wouldnt have sold more than 500k if we consider error margin.

We're talking about Nokia, not WP7. According to Nielson, Nokia is only the third largest Windows Phone manufacturer.

That means that if Nokia sold 330,000 with 0.3% marketshare, HTC must have sold 550,000 and Samsung must have sold 550,000. That is nearly 1.5 million Windows Phones in the US alone, in the second quarter.

So when do we decide when WP has failed?

When Microsoft's OEM partners stop making WP devices. Which won't happen.

[still1]

We're talking about Nokia, not WP7. According to Nielson, Nokia is only the third largest Windows Phone manufacturer.

That means that if Nokia sold 330,000 with 0.3% marketshare, HTC must have sold 550,000 and Samsung must have sold 550,000. That is nearly 1.5 million Windows Phones in the US alone, in the second quarter.

In the context I was talking it was obvious I meant Lumia 900 on US sold not more than 500K considering the margin... Its only common sense to understand..

also, the 2 million calc that Depicus made was 2 million WP7 sales by Nokia not worldwide in Q12012. which Nokia released 2 million them self.

[BajiRav]

Multitasking and background services. Windows Phone feels fast because just like the early versions of iOS it's seriously dumbed down.

Are you seriously saying that lack of UI acceleration had nothing to do with bad battery life of pre4.0 Androids? Multitasking or background services (WP has them too) isn't the only thing eating battery and shouldn't be a factor if I didn't start any apps.

[Depicus]

So you claim that 1 in 6 (2 in 12) smartphones sold were Windows Phones? That's not so bad. That's 17% of all smartphones.

However, Nokia claims that it sold 2 million Windows Phones itself during the first quarter of 2012. Add on top of that the sales figures of Samsung and HTC, and millions of Windows Phones were sold in the first quarter alone... so your figure for a total of 2 million Windows Phones doesn't make sense... unless you are only talking about Nokia Windows Phones.

Yes those are Nokia only numbers from their Q1 report. So not so great if you consider 5 out of 6 were Symbian phones which are deader than a Norwegian Parrot :)

[still1]

seems like the 330k sales is close. Nokia sold 600k phones in US which includes Lumia ,other smartphone and feature phone.

Nokia's Rolling Thunder strategy for reconquering the US smartphone market continues to struggle after only six months. In its bleak earnings report today, Nokia revealed it shipped just 600,000 handsets in North America during its latest Q2 2012, down from 1.5 million in the same period last year. The 60 percent drop year-on-year, coupled with anidentical ship rate in Q1 2012, shows that the company's risky bet on Windows Phone is still a slow starter.

Nokia's 600,000 figure encapsulates phones in general, rather than the specific smartphone segment, but it does show that analyst estimations of 330,000 Lumia sales in the US over a period of around four months may be accurate. The firm revealed four million Lumia sales in Q2 2012, double the previous quarter ? but with the lack of phone sales growth and break down of individual device sales it's hard to say whether the Lumia 900 has had much impact in boosting Windows Phone's market share in the US. One thing that is clear from today's results is that, try as it might, the majority of Lumia sales are still outside the US ? an important market that Nokia needs to succeed in.

http://www.theverge....rolling-thunder

[Depicus]

seems like the 330k sales is close. Nokia sold 600k phones in US which includes Lumia ,other smartphone and feature phone.

http://www.theverge....rolling-thunder

Yes those numbers are not good, and I suspect they may get worse for Q3 but to be fair to Nokia they managed quite well not selling in the USA before, what's more worrying is sales in Asia and China which are transitioning very slowly from dumb to smart but Nokia seem to be on free fall sales wise.

[simplezz]

As Nokia has stated already, they do have a backup plan if WP fails (which it hasn't - only has for Android fanbois.) At least thats good news for them and for the stockholders :shiftyninja:

How do we know if it's "good news" if we don't know what the "Backup Plan" is? The only backup plan I see is Nokia selling itself to Microsoft for peanuts. ? good deal for Microsoft to be sure, but for shareholders? No so much.

[Alwaysonacoffebreak]

How do we know if it's "good news" if we don't know what the "Backup Plan" is? The only backup plan I see is Nokia selling itself to Microsoft for peanuts. ? good deal for Microsoft to be sure, but for shareholders? No so much.

Anyone who says Nokia will sell itself to Microsoft has really hit their head hard. Why should they? In every post like this people keep forgetting that Nokia is bigger than just mobile phones/smart phones. Their patents are well more worth than the net cash they have now, Nokia-Siemens is doing better than expected at this point.

[siah1214]

Nokia sold 600k windows phones. Double this 300k BS.

http://wmpoweruser.com/nokia-windows-phone-8-announcement-did-not-affect-lumia-sales-wp7-sales-will-continue-well-after-the-introduction-of-wp8/

[jakem1]

seems like the 330k sales is close. Nokia sold 600k phones in US which includes Lumia ,other smartphone and feature phone.

http://www.theverge....rolling-thunder

Close if you think 50% accuracy is good :rolleyes:

[DirtyLarry Veteran]

Nokia sold 600k windows phones. Double this 300k BS.

http://wmpoweruser.c...duction-of-wp8/

Close if you think 50% accuracy is good :rolleyes:

Do you both not realize that the original 330k number was just the Lumia specifically? And that 600k is the TOTAL amount of phones sold, which is including but not just limited to the Lumia.

So the 330k of LUMIA sales is probably in fact a pretty accurate number

Nokia's 600,000 figure encapsulates phones in general, rather than the specific smartphone segment, but it does show that analyst estimations of 330,000 Lumia sales in the US over a period of around four months may be accurate.

People are so quick to jump all over other people without stopping and actually thinking first and reading the actual numbers being reported.

[jakem1]

Do you both not realize that the original 330k number was just the Lumia specifically? And that 600k is the TOTAL amount of phones sold, which is including but not just limited to the Lumia.

So the 330k of LUMIA sales is probably in fact a pretty accurate number

People are so quick to jump all over other people without stopping and actually thinking first and reading the actual numbers being reported.

Fair enough although my comment was based on the way this was reported at WMPowerUser:

Nokia?s Windows Phone shipments have doubled both in USA and overall, going from 300,000 to 600,000 in USA and 2.2 to 4 million worldwide.

Regardless, your Verge quote only guesses that the 300,000 figure may be close.

[Manish]

Fair enough although my comment was based on the way this was reported at WMPowerUser:

They've misreported it then. I'm assuming that the 600k figure has been quoted from "Devices & Services Mobile Device Volumes by geographical area" in Nokia's report (http://www.results.nokia.com/results/Nokia_results2012Q2e.pdf).

[still1]

Nokia sold 600k windows phones. Double this 300k BS.

http://wmpoweruser.c...duction-of-wp8/

ha... Nokia sold 600 Nokia phone which included Lumia and other smart phones.

so the 330k seems right...

just for the comparision Nokia sold 1.5 million phones(ALL Phones) Q1 2012

This Q its only 600k(Again All Phones, not just lumia)

Close if you think 50% accuracy is good :rolleyes:

you have 0% accuracy in understanding the number. like i said before its all phone sold and not just lumia...

so lumia 330k is accurate give or take

[still1]

From wmpoweruser.com. To all those who pointed out wmpoweruser. they now accept the 600k was in fact wrong

Nielsen was right ? only 330,000 Nokia Lumia?s shipped to North America in the last 4 months

We posted earlier that Nokia shipped 600,000 Lumias to North America in Q2 2012. Now it has become clear that in fact they shipped 600,000 Nokia phones to North America, and of those only 330,000 were Lumia handsets.

This number is of course the same as estimated by multiplying Comscore and Nielsen?s numbers, despite Nielsen claiming this results only in inaccurate results.

http://wmpoweruser.c...-last-4-months/

[techbeck]

From wmpoweruser.com. To all those who pointed out wmpoweruser. they now accept the 600k was in fact wrong

Nielsen was right ? only 330,000 Nokia Lumia?s shipped to North America in the last 4 months

http://wmpoweruser.c...-last-4-months/

ouch. not good. Which is to bad. Was hoping WP would be doing much better by now.

[Mr. Gibs]

From wmpoweruser.com. To all those who pointed out wmpoweruser. they now accept the 600k was in fact wrong

Nielsen was right ? only 330,000 Nokia Lumia?s shipped to North America in the last 4 months

http://wmpoweruser.c...-last-4-months/

I have a hard time believing that because look at the original article that it links to.

Nielsen: Nokia only sold less than 300,000 Nokia Lumia 900 in USA

http://wmpoweruser.com/nielsen-nokia-only-sold-less-than-300000-nokia-lumia-900-in-usa/

Where is the Lumia 710 which, according to T-Mobile, has been selling extremely well since it was released in Jan 2012? Unless by very well they meant 30k devices.

[Vice]

So when do we decide when WP has failed?

I'd say it has already. The fact that Microsoft is willing to abandon Windows Phone 7 owners when they launch Windows Phone 8 clearly shows that their install base for Windows Phone 7's install base is minuscule. No OEM who had millions of customers (Apple for example with the iPhone) would just abandon all those people with their next OS release unless the amount of users on that older ecosystem is teeny-tiny. So insignificantly small that they don't even care to make their next operating system release compatible.

[still1]

I have a hard time believing that because look at the original article that it links to.

Nielsen: Nokia only sold less than 300,000 Nokia Lumia 900 in USA

http://wmpoweruser.c...mia-900-in-usa/

Where is the Lumia 710 which, according to T-Mobile, has been selling extremely well since it was released in Jan 2012? Unless by very well they meant 30k devices.

The original article it links to use two 3rd part number to come up with <300k number and it might not be accurate. also it was reported a week ago.

This new estimate is based off Nokia's own official number. so it's more accurate.

T-Mobile selling well could just mean 30k like you said. T-mobile didn't publish any sales number so its hard to interpret selling well.

[tsupersonic]

I'd say it has already. The fact that Microsoft is willing to abandon Windows Phone 7 owners when they launch Windows Phone 8 clearly shows that their install base for Windows Phone 7's install base is minuscule. No OEM who had millions of customers (Apple for example with the iPhone) would just abandon all those people with their next OS release unless the amount of users on that older ecosystem is teeny-tiny. So insignificantly small that they don't even care to make their next operating system release compatible.

Well, I can say Android to some extent has done that. I am not a fan of non-Nexus devices, just for this reason. Unless your device has a huge following, you likely won't get updates due to your manufacturer and cell phone carrier. With WP7, MS shot themselves in the foot with the hardware requirements, because the requirements are strict enough to limit the software. Now, it's almost like you need a hardware upgrade just to run WP8. It is nice they're releasing WP7.8 for the older devices. Even if they did let WP8 run on the 1st generation of WP7 devices, they'd be missing so many features that it's not worth it - like NFC, higher resolution. If only you could evolve your phone through software upgrades :laugh:

[Depicus]

From wmpoweruser.com. To all those who pointed out wmpoweruser. they now accept the 600k was in fact wrong

Nielsen was right ? only 330,000 Nokia Lumia?s shipped to North America in the last 4 months

http://wmpoweruser.c...-last-4-months/

Well we don't know that for sure, the only fact we do know is Nokia sold 600,000 in total to the USA but there is no concrete evidence to say how many were WP phones. It could have been 500k it could have been 200k.

[HawkMan]

I'd say it has already. The fact that Microsoft is willing to abandon Windows Phone 7 owners when they launch Windows Phone 8 clearly shows that their install base for Windows Phone 7's install base is minuscule. No OEM who had millions of customers (Apple for example with the iPhone) would just abandon all those people with their next OS release unless the amount of users on that older ecosystem is teeny-tiny. So insignificantly small that they don't even care to make their next operating system release compatible.

7.8 Says they're not abandoning them. they shoudl have just named it WP8 and avoided the crap as that's what it is, WP8 for older phones, just like older iphones get limited new iOS versions.