smartphone wars Samsung reveals its pre-iPhone concepts: 10 touchscreen devices

[Yazoo]

Here.. I'll give you a few pics

1960s (Star Trek tablet)

from 1987-1990 (all kinds of tablets with Ipad functionality of today have been shown)

1968 Space Odyssey 2001

1989's GRIDPad was the first commercial tablet

The GRIDPad was followed by a slew of other unsuccessful tablets, including?oh the irony?HP's first failed tablet 1992's Compaq Concerto (a year before Newton)

Fujitsu PoqetPad

Fujitsu's Stylistic 3500 - 2001

and I'm sure there are quite a few more. from 60s into 90s the tablets and touch screens and other stuff was super hot for everyone. Apple was certainly not the only one who had this idea. They have seen it everywhere else and failed. Just like everyone else.

oh and btw, this is applicable to Samsung and Android as well but I just find it funny because it's 100% true

Gene Roddenberry FTW :woot:

[Boz]

Gene Roddenberry FTW :woot:

I'm watching the whole TNG series again.. that man was amazing and the show still feels fresh after all these years. It's hard to believe they designed the sets and had ideas that still basically feel futuristic.

[hjf288]

Samsung also copies LG year after year when it comes to washing machines and dryers. There?s absolutely no surprise here. I hope Samsung loses this case, maybe they will reconsider before copying everybody else in the industry.

It's not like LG had about 6 of 11 employees arrested and facing charges for theft of Samsungs OLED technologies...

Oh wait?

[Vice]

A front facing camera is required for using little known apps such as Skype, Google+ (Hangouts) and FaceTime.

Maybe you've heard of them?

He is right though, barely anyone uses video chat. People use Skype mostly for voice calling only and Google+'s Hangouts and Apples FaceTime are hardly great examples of video chat penetration. The fact is video chats take too much focus in todays life where people are doing something else while on the phone. Either typing an email or watching something or eating. People hold the phone on their shoulder and talk they don't hold their phone out in the air to their face to video call.

[The Angry Bunny]

All the peopel around here use Skype for free phone calls. The only people that use it for video is one old couple that use it to communicate with their grandchildren in the states, and perverts who use it to have pre teen girls send them naked cams for Bieber tickets.

He is right though, barely anyone uses video chat. People use Skype mostly for voice calling only and Google+'s Hangouts and Apples FaceTime are hardly great examples of video chat penetration. The fact is video chats take too much focus in todays life where people are doing something else while on the phone. Either typing an email or watching something or eating. People hold the phone on their shoulder and talk they don't hold their phone out in the air to their face to video call.

I really don't see how y'all can back these claims up. Just because you don't know people that use it doesn't mean people don't. I have a number of friends on mission trips throughout the world who's primary form of communication to friends and family back at the states is a Skype video call.

I will agree with Vice that video chat takes too much focus, but for some people seeing their friends and family IS the focus.

I'm not trying to say that everybody in the world uses video chat, but I do think that more people use it than y'all think.

[Vice]

I really don't see how y'all can back these claims up. Just because you don't know people that use it doesn't mean people don't. I have a number of friends on mission trips throughout the world who's primary form of communication to friends and family back at the states is a Skype video call.

I will agree with Vice that video chat takes too much focus, but for some people seeing their friends and family IS the focus.

I'm not trying to say that everybody in the world uses video chat, but I do think that more people use it than y'all think.

According to this study only 19% of Americans have ever used a video chat and only 4% of Internet users make use of Video Chat on an average day. When expanded to fit the whole population that's about 1% of people in the entire world using Video Chat on a daily basis. If you compared that to how many people use a phone (voice phone) per day it would probably be around 50% of people in the entire world if not more.

People just don't use video chat that much dude. Yes I'm sure people away from their loved ones for extended periods in foreign countries use it but that is a very minuscule amount of the population and the overwhelming majority use voice only.

There are many many reasons for it. No standard video communication standard across all devices, homes don't have webcams built in to telephones, only mobile phones do, people know they don't look like movie stars at all times and only want to video chat when they look good, you can do multiple tasks at once when you're not looking at someones face on a screen, the video cameras suck, data caps make it difficult or impossible to video chat outside and you don't want to video chat whilst walking.

All these things combined mean video chatting is going to be very small compared to basic voice chat and the data continually backs that up every time. Just google for a few studies this is just one of the first I found on the first page of results.

[a0me]

According to this study only 19% of Americans have ever used a video chat and only 4% of Internet users make use of Video Chat on an average day. When expanded to fit the whole population that's about 1% of people in the entire world using Video Chat on a daily basis. If you compared that to how many people use a phone (voice phone) per day it would probably be around 50% of people in the entire world if not more.

People just don't use video chat that much dude. Yes I'm sure people away from their loved ones for extended periods in foreign countries use it but that is a very minuscule amount of the population and the overwhelming majority use voice only.

All these things combined mean video chatting is going to be very small compared to basic voice chat and the data continually backs that up every time. Just google for a few studies this is just one of the first I found on the first page of results.

First off, the study you're quoting is

- Old, in a rapidly evolving market such as mobile telecommunications and video over IP terms; it was published 2 years ago, based on even older statistics, before popular services such as Apple FaceTime, Google Video Chat, Google+ Hangouts and Facebook Video Calling was even launched.

- US centric, i.e. based on 5% of the world population.

But even if you want to focus on the US market, keep in mind that there's about 4 - 5 millions of Americans living outside of the USA, and people tend to use video chat more when away from home in another country. We all add up to a significant, growing number of consumers for whom video chat is a major feature.

There are many many reasons for it. No standard video communication standard across all devices

Skype and Google Video Chat are available on all major platforms and with the growing market share of Apple, FaceTime is becoming more and more ubiquitous.

homes don't have webcams built in to telephones, only mobile phones do

Webcams are built-in most modern PCs (have been in Apple products for about 10 years), mid-range TVs (supporting Skype, etc...), etc... the kind of devices you use with Skype.

people know they don't look like movie stars at all times and only want to video chat when they look good, you can do multiple tasks at once when you're not looking at someones face on a screen

People don't really care about looking good when they're video chatting with their family.

the video cameras suck

Maybe 10 years ago, but most modern built in cameras do 1280x1024 or more.

data caps make it difficult or impossible to video chat outside

Maybe in poorly served areas. Not my experience.

and you don't want to video chat whilst walking

Why not?

[Vice]

If you don't believe the study I showed, post your own, until then, no more debate from me.

[notuptome2004]

If you don't believe the study I showed, post your own, until then, no more debate from me.

that study is from October of 2010 and the only thing out at the time for video calling was skype but the market has since exsploided with many doing video calling and google+ Hangouts cause it is simple and easy to use. i talk to a friend of mine via video calling all the time 95% of the time over just calling

[ichi]

You'd lamost think there's a reason why the front facing camera almost always is a crap camera with a terrible sensor with no light sensitivity and at best a 1.3 sensor, more often a vga sensor.

Of course there's a reason: there's no point in driving the phone's price up when a cheap camera like the ones you find on most laptops and webcams suffices. It's not like you'll want to be streaming HD video.

[Colin McGregor]

WOW. that means EVERYONE uses them then .....

oh wait, I forgot you're not everyone. and extremely few people actually use them.

Considering you said NO ONE uses it and now say few people use them i don't think anyone can take what you say seriously. I use mine, granted its on a windows phone but its still a front facing camera that i use.

[HawkMan]

that study is from October of 2010 and the only thing out at the time for video calling was skype but the market has since exsploided with many doing video calling and google+ Hangouts cause it is simple and easy to use. i talk to a friend of mine via video calling all the time 95% of the time over just calling

MSN/WLM, aim, standardized mobile video call, and a whole bunch of others. in fact msn is prbably stillone of the most used. and video chat as little or much as it's used is still primarily used on computers, not phones.

[Colin McGregor]

All the peopel around here use Skype for free phone calls. The only people that use it for video is one old couple that use it to communicate with their grandchildren in the states, and perverts who use it to have pre teen girls send them naked cams for Bieber tickets.

WOW you just fail more with every post. Is it possible, to most no but to you a massive Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes

[LSlari69]

I really don't see how y'all can back these claims up. Just because you don't know people that use it doesn't mean people don't. I have a number of friends on mission trips throughout the world who's primary form of communication to friends and family back at the states is a Skype video call. I will agree with Vice that video chat takes too much focus, but for some people seeing their friends and family IS the focus. I'm not trying to say that everybody in the world uses video chat, but I do think that more people use it than y'all think.

I just wish I can make more use of it. Even thorugh the PC, I don't have any skype contacts that actually wants to video call. lol

[greenwizard88]

My girlfriend's video conferenced once since she got her iPhone 4s (on release ... month), and that was only with another iPhone friend, to see if she could.

I don't even own a phone with a front-facing camera.

From the sample size of 2, and 1/2 of a use per person, per year, I'd say no one uses them. Maybe a little less than the 1% that study quotes. :p

[techbeck]

My girlfriend's video conferenced once since she got her iPhone 4s (on release ... month), and that was only with another iPhone friend, to see if she could.

I don't even own a phone with a front-facing camera.

From the sample size of 2, and 1/2 of a use per person, per year, I'd say no one uses them. Maybe a little less than the 1% that study quotes. :p

Oh, I dont know. There are a LOT of teenagers that like to take pics of themselves and post them online. FFC helps this and my nieces/nephews do this all the time.

[HawkMan]

because vga and 1.3mpx ffc cameras with the light sensitivity of dead tomato is great for taking pictures...

even so, the iphone has a ffc now. the rgument was that it was apparently late to the party, yet the study showed that "noone" did in fact use it before the iphone had it. and I'd still say that's virtually true today.

and part of the argument for the apparent multitude of people using ffc video chat you guys came up with was face time.... seriously... you guys don't see the hilarious irony of your own self defeating arguments here ?

[.Neo]

It's quite obvious that Samsung meticulously copies Apple in almost everything:

You forgot one:

Absolutely love how they ignored your posts!

[techbeck]

Love all the posts here who think that Samsung are the only ones who copy. Every company has copied at some point and time. Microsoft did it and so has Apple. The issue here is that Apple patented everything they could because the US patent system allowed them to do so. So now Apple is bitching about stupid **** like packaging, look of connectors, and rectangular shape of the phone.

If Samsung loses, all they have to do is change their product a little like they did with the N model tablet. Not a big deal for them and they can more than afford the fine. Personally I am just want this all to be over with regardless who wins/loses. I really dont care anymore and am tired of hearing about it.

[a0me]

Love all the posts here who think that Samsung are the only ones who copy. Every company has copied at some point and time. Microsoft did it and so has Apple. The issue here is that Apple patented everything they could because the US patent system allowed them to do so. So now Apple is bitching about stupid **** like packaging, look of connectors, and rectangular shape of the phone.

Seriously, have you even taken a look at my post showing the Samsung products next to Apple's?

Samsung's Smart Case are a 1:1 copy of Apple's Smart Case (down to the name!), same thing for their Galaxy Tab USB & SD Connection Kit (=iPad Camera Connection Kit), Galaxy S II USB AC Adapter (carbon copy of the Apple USB Power Adapter), and the list goes on and on.

They are just plain and simple knock-offs, imitation products and should be banned, just like Chinese counterfeit products are.

[redvamp128]

Seriously, have you even taken a look at my post showing the Samsung products next to Apple's?

Samsung's Smart Case are a 1:1 copy of Apple's Smart Case (down to the name!), same thing for their Galaxy Tab USB & SD Connection Kit (=iPad Camera Connection Kit), Galaxy S II USB AC Adapter (carbon copy of the Apple USB Power Adapter), and the list goes on and on.

They are just plain and simple knock-offs, imitation products and should be banned, just like Chinese counterfeit products are.

Yes but you should take down the one about Google Maps...

Because it is Google that provides the maps and I believe the application for IOS and Android --

So they would make it the same for both--

Not Samsung copying it because Google included their own product with Android.

Other than that you made a valid point about the boxes and the icons...

The power adapters one could argue..that Samsung is only building them to industry standards for interfaces.

The USB (STANDARD)-- POWER PLUG (STANDARD) for what country it come from.

And Samsung Had a Phone to USB connector prior to the Iphone

The other connectors are/ meet Industry standards-- the SD to Phone

I do agree with you all but those points...The other examples one would also see like the Mini and the Samsung device..Spot on the Boxes though-- They should have made it black with Samsung on the side ...and the Model on the front.

My charger looks like this BTW-- Samsung Galaxy Appeal

[techbeck]

Seriously, have you even taken a look at my post showing the Samsung products next to Apple's?

Samsung's Smart Case are a 1:1 copy of Apple's Smart Case (down to the name!), same thing for their Galaxy Tab USB & SD Connection Kit (=iPad Camera Connection Kit), Galaxy S II USB AC Adapter (carbon copy of the Apple USB Power Adapter), and the list goes on and on.

They are just plain and simple knock-offs, imitation products and should be banned, just like Chinese counterfeit products are.

And with thinking like that. there would be no Microsoft. Since Microsoft didnt get the idea for Windows themselves, they stole the idea from someone else and improve upon it. How things go and anyone fully blaming Samsung and dismissing Samsung's claims and thinking Apple is innocent of everything (not saying you think this) is a hypocrite. The ONLY reason this is a big deal is because Apple finds the need to patent every little thing and the way the system is designed, they can do so.

And this case isnt about power cords/usb cables and other things that were posted. This is about the phone/tab. Besides, there are many other power cords/adapters that look along besides Samsung/Apple. People are just trying to make this a big deal since hey, its Samsung/Apple.

[a0me]

Yes but you should take down the one about Google Maps...

Because it is Google that provides the maps and I believe the application for IOS and Android --

So they would make it the same for both--

The map app on iOS is developed by Apple. It still relies on Google Maps for the mapping data (backend) but the frontend was created by Apple.

With iOS 6, Apple will stop relying on Google for the data.

The power adapters one could argue..that Samsung is only building them to industry standards for interfaces.

The USB (STANDARD)-- POWER PLUG (STANDARD) for what country it come from.

USB and power plugs are standards.

However the shape of the product itself (i.e. not the plug/port) isn't and each company should come up with its own designs/variations.

A simple example: look at these USB flash drives. They all use the same standard USB port, offer the same function, but each product has it own distinctive design. Strange uh?!

[HawkMan]

If Samsung loses, all they have to do is change their product a little like they did with the N model tablet. Not a big deal for them and they can more than afford the fine. Personally I am just want this all to be over with regardless who wins/loses. I really dont care anymore and am tired of hearing about it.

So you agree that samsung breaks apples design patent and makes their devices to close to the iphone then. And why didn't they make them like the n versions from the start...

[.Neo]

Love all the posts here who think that Samsung are the only ones who copy. Every company has copied at some point and time. Microsoft did it and so has Apple.

This has absolutely nothing to do with your competitor having a good idea, you taking over that idea and giving your own twist to it. I have no objection to that and like you said it's common practice. The above examples however are just blatant rip-offs for the soul purpose of making Samsung's products resemble Apple's as closely as possible. Don't pretend otherwise.

In the light of what's going on there's also no excuse whatsoever for Samsung actually being stupid enough to use iOS artwork in their stores. It's like they're intentionally trying to shoot themselves in the foot and try to loose credibility.