smartphone wars Samsung reveals its pre-iPhone concepts: 10 touchscreen devices

[xeleraph]

http://www.theverge....-in-apple-trial

You're not doing yourself any favors Samsung....

Not really. It's a master stroke by Samsung to expose just how biased Lucy Koh is. Just because the iJudge refuses to allow Samsung to present critical evidence in court doesn't mean that the public needs to be kept from the truth.

[a0me]

It's quite obvious that Samsung meticulously copies Apple in almost everything:

[Septimus]

Notice how drastically their interface designs changed after the release of the iPhone though? When Apple first approached Samsung it was in regards the interface layout more than anything, which Samsung blatantly copied, but now it's getting out of hand and including all the hardware.

[nekkidtruth]

As for the Camera, Well since I do sell cell phones, I can tell you that the last thing people care about is a front facing camera, and I haven't seen ANYONE using it anywhere. and I haven't had anyone ask about front facing camera on any phone they buy. You'd lamost think there's a reason why the front facing camera almost always is a crap camera with a terrible sensor with no light sensitivity and at best a 1.3 sensor, more often a vga sensor.

I myself as well as my family and friends, use the front facing camera religiously on our phones. I think you may be confusing the fact that people may not find them important when purchasing a device, and actually using said feature. It's not the same thing. Someone may not actually care about the front facing camera from a quality/functionality stand point, but that does not automatically mean they don't/won't use it.

[remixedcat]

And still noone is using them.

the people that don't want to take thier pic in a mirror and have a duckface doing it.

[a0me]

As for the Camera, Well since I do sell cell phones, I can tell you that the last thing people care about is a front facing camera, and I haven't seen ANYONE using it anywhere.

A front facing camera is required for using little known apps such as Skype, Google+ (Hangouts) and FaceTime.

Maybe you've heard of them?

[Damian]

It's quite obvious that Samsung meticulously copies Apple in almost everything:

http://i.imgur.com/z4ZnA.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/YW7QX.png

http://i.imgur.com/8Y5ys.png

http://i.imgur.com/UTMrR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MkrAT.png

http://i.imgur.com/p1qAl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/yXDfr.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xBZNm.png

http://i.imgur.com/lw5Qf.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/0v10h.png

You forgot one:

[Damian]

Also, I wonder where Apple saw the idea for their iPad

From their early prototypes in the early 90s

Apple MessageSlate prototype:

[Boz]

From their early prototypes in the early 90s

Apple MessageSlate prototype:

Um.. first of all.. they took the idea from Star Trek (a show that was going on in the 80s) and many other references as the touch tablets have been very popular in that time with other tech companies as well. So Apple wasn't alone there and certainly mind-blowingly original.

Second, I was talking about design. iPad is a replica of how that Samsung photo frame and Samsung's other designs (with even glass frame) looked like (the only difference was that frame was thicker considering it was almost 5 years before and technology advancement didn't allow it to be super thin and it had a support so you can have it on a tablet in standing position). So Apple coming out and saying how they have the right on rounded corners and minimalistic design is hilarious and completely disconnected with reality.

[Yazoo]

Apple Newton

explain?

[+Mirumir Subscriber¹]

Christopher White summarized it best:

Who?s stealing from whom? If you listen to Apple, you?d think that they have the most original designs in the world and that everyone, including Samsung, is jealous and copying them. Others say that phones and tablets are a basic design ? a rectangle of glass with rounded corners ? that can?t be protected anyway. The courts have gone both ways in recent months, some siding with Apple, some siding with Samsung.

[HawkMan]

A front facing camera is required for using little known apps such as Skype, Google+ (Hangouts) and FaceTime.

Maybe you've heard of them?

Uh, no it's not required. did you know Skype can be used for VoiP, WITHOUT a camera.... you know the way MOST people use it. the way it started out.

[Shaun N.]

Samsung touchscreen phones before the iPhone : Crap. crap. crap, crap, crap. crap, crap, crap, crap. crap. In that order.

They aren't being sued for the quality of their touch screens. They are being sued because Apple accuses Samsung of copying they're designs on the actual phone, which from the looks of it Samsung were already producing before Apple.

[Boz]

Apple Newton

explain?

Here.. I'll give you a few pics

1960s (Star Trek tablet)

from 1987-1990 (all kinds of tablets with Ipad functionality of today have been shown)

1968 Space Odyssey 2001

1989's GRIDPad was the first commercial tablet

The GRIDPad was followed by a slew of other unsuccessful tablets, including?oh the irony?HP's first failed tablet 1992's Compaq Concerto (a year before Newton)

Fujitsu PoqetPad

Fujitsu's Stylistic 3500 - 2001

and I'm sure there are quite a few more. from 60s into 90s the tablets and touch screens and other stuff was super hot for everyone. Apple was certainly not the only one who had this idea. They have seen it everywhere else and failed. Just like everyone else.

oh and btw, this is applicable to Samsung and Android as well but I just find it funny because it's 100% true

[M_Lyons10]

This supports what I've been saying. Samsung's phones really didn't change all that much. It was just the continuation of their design trends as far as I'm concerned...

[HawkMan]

Here.. I'll give you a few pics

yes, but Apple is fighting for a specific series of design patents, not for squares or pads or anything like that.

[benthebear]

Also, I wonder where Apple saw the idea for their iPad

Oh I remember they saw it on Star Trek and ripped the design from Samsung

Photo frame that plays videos, movies, pictures and internet/ethernet, USB, SD card support and was designed 4 years before iPad.

http://www.engadget....s-movies-music/

I mean, you can continue to believe what you want to believe, and I agree that the iPad looks similar to the Samsung photo frame, but it just came to light a week or so ago that Apple had iPad prototypes in the pipeline that look like the photo frame, and it predates it by several years.

http://www.theverge....-images#3616441

I'm not interested in arguing that the color of the bezel matters, but they do look similar, and I don't think one ripped off the design from the other.

[Boz]

I mean, you can continue to believe what you want to believe, and I agree that the iPad looks similar to the Samsung photo frame, but it just came to light a week or so ago that Apple had iPad prototypes in the pipeline that look like the photo frame, and it predates it by several years.

http://www.theverge....-images#3616441

I'm not interested in arguing that the color of the bezel matters, but they do look similar, and I don't think one ripped off the design from the other.

I don't see where it says that that design was several years before Samsung's design of their interactive photo frames that had pretty much all the functionality of modern tablets.

Btw, iPad looks identical to the design of Samsung's photo frame. To the chrome bazel.

The point is that Apple patented minimalistic design, round edges and is suing for it and claiming everyone copied them when there is so much evidence that's not true it's overwhelming. They didn't invent sh**.

[a0me]

Uh, no it's not required. did you know Skype can be used for VoIP, WITHOUT a camera.... you know the way MOST people use it. the way it started out.

It's required for Google+ Hangouts and FaceTime.

As for Skype, I'd argue that MOST people use it as a video chat (all the people around me do). Unless you have data to back up your claim, of course.

[PyX]

McElhinny showed jurors an internal Samsung product analysis which said the iPhone's hardware was "easy to copy." Another document prepared by a Samsung executive said the company was in a "crisis of design" due to the iPhone.

Samsung also copies LG year after year when it comes to washing machines and dryers. There?s absolutely no surprise here. I hope Samsung loses this case, maybe they will reconsider before copying everybody else in the industry.

[Boz]

Samsung also copies LG year after year when it comes to washing machines and dryers. There?s absolutely no surprise here. I hope Samsung loses this case, maybe they will reconsider before copying everybody else in the industry.

You should read the whole deposition from Samsung.. McElhinny is Apple's lawyer and that sentence is from his deposition/opening. Whether it's true is questionable. Samsung's opening shot down almost all Apple's claims very effectively.

[BoredBozirini]

Samsung got in trouble already. I hope they lose hard.

[HawkMan]

It's required for Google+ Hangouts and FaceTime.

As for Skype, I'd argue that MOST people use it as a video chat (all the people around me do). Unless you have data to back up your claim, of course.

All the peopel around here use Skype for free phone calls. The only people that use it for video is one old couple that use it to communicate with their grandchildren in the states, and perverts who use it to have pre teen girls send them naked cams for Bieber tickets.

[Boz]

All the peopel around here use Skype for free phone calls. The only people that use it for video is one old couple that use it to communicate with their grandchildren in the states, and perverts who use it to have pre teen girls send them naked cams for Bieber tickets.

Yep.. you nailed it :rolleyes:

[(Spork)]

Except it's not similar. It doesn't break the design patents Apple are suing Samsung for on it's never phones. like the bezel widths, and the top and bottom being equal width.

As much as Samsung claims they're "fighting for the square" that's not what the case is about they'r ebeing sued for a series of design decisions that mirror that of Apple's.

As for the Camera, Well since I do sell cell phones, I can tell you that the last thing people care about is a front facing camera, and I haven't seen ANYONE using it anywhere. and I haven't had anyone ask about front facing camera on any phone they buy. You'd lamost think there's a reason why the front facing camera almost always is a crap camera with a terrible sensor with no light sensitivity and at best a 1.3 sensor, more often a vga sensor.

thats funny i sell phones as well, lots of people ask all the time about front facing cameras because they want to use skype or various other services like that.