SAS hero jailed: Sergeant sentenced to two years after gun found

[Ryoken]

I think the law is stupid. That's what I think and I've stated my distain with it already in this thread. I think he shouldn't have had to go to jail in the first place.I think a culture that acts like a nanny is B.S.

Well clearly the people in that culture don't.. otherwise they would have elected people to change it..

I think you'll find that the overwhelming majority of the UK favors their current gun laws.. But that's right, when you want people to be free, you mean free to make choice you approve of.

[TheLegendOfMart]

I think the law is stupid. That's what I think and I've stated my distain with it already in this thread. I think he shouldn't have had to go to jail in the first place.I think a culture that acts like a nanny is B.S.

Why? If you all are going to be hypocrits and wont butt out then why should I. I see you all nosing in our affairs all the time. You all wont butt out so.

So we have to butt out about America but you feel you can butt in on everyone elses affairs, spoken like a true American.

[KingCracker]

It is well known that UK gun laws are even more draconian than gun laws is Russia but that isn't the point here.

Having a handgun gets you two years in prison :rolleyes: must suck to fight for a country that will put you in jail for that kind of thing. I know he broke the law and has to do the time but it still sucks that he put his life on the line for his country and gets 2 years for IMO a B.S reason.

[TheLegendOfMart]

Having a handgun gets you two years in prison :rolleyes: must suck to fight for a country that will put you in jail for that kind of thing. I know he broke the law and has to do the time but it still sucks that he put his life on the line for his country and gets 2 years for IMO a B.S reason.

No one forced him into service, he chose to join the armed forces. He shouldn't get special privileges just because he signed on a dotted line.

[KingCracker]

So we have to butt out about America but you feel you can butt in on everyone elses affairs, spoken like a true American.

I haven't butted in to anyone elses affairs besides this one. Blanket statement much?

[Ryoken]

Having a handgun gets you two years in prison :rolleyes: must suck to fight for a country that will put you in jail for that kind of thing. I know he broke the law and has to do the time but it still sucks that he put his life on the line for his country and gets 2 years for IMO a B.S reason.

BS Reason to you..

To the country he served, that Passed those laws, not so much..

Also as I said, it looks like he was tried by the military, so there may be far more reaching reasons.. Like stealing the gun from the army he serves for example ? Not following the UK equipment of the Uniform Code.. There may be more than he simply had a gun at his house, that lead to the 2 years..

[KingCracker]

BS Reason to you..

To the country he served, that Passed those laws, not so much..

Also as I said, it looks like he was tried by the military, so there may be far more reaching reasons.. Like stealing the gun from the army he serves for example ? Not following the UK equipment of the Uniform Code.. There may be more than he simply had a gun at his house, that lead to the 2 years..

Awww you're such a good defender of the British, where were you in the threads about American gun ownership. You just feel the need to defend the British?

[Ryoken]

I've been in several gun threads.. I just don't live there.. You aren't gonna change my views, I'm not gonna change yours.. it's like talking to a wall.. So I chose to play videogames or something instead..

Only reason I'm here was the title got my interest.. and I haven't closed the tab yet lol..

[Azusa]

An SAS veteran has been locked up for two years after a gun and ammo was found in his garage at home.

The hero sergeant was pulled from secret operations in Helmand when armed police discovered the semi-automatic Glock pistol following a tip-off.

They also found 300 rounds of ammunition.

A specially convened court martial heard he had a distinguished record of bravery in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The soldier had been at the heart of some of the most fierce firefights against the Taliban and Saddam Hussein?s forces.

But last night he was behind bars in Colchester Military Correction Centre after admitting illegally keeping a gun at his Hereford home. http://www.mirror.co...ntenced-1169602 Served his country put his life on the line for it and now is serving 2 years for this?!? Give him asylum in the U.S and make him a citizen asap.

Here is the real issue what if while he was out his garage was broken into(which happens alot in some places) and the gun+ammo was taken by some low life crack head now think about it a well cared for fire arm in the hands of some street scum. This is what the law tries to prevent.

[KingCracker]

Here is the real issue what if while he was out his garage was broken into(which happens alot in some places) and the gun+ammo was taken by some low life crack head now think about it a well cared for fire arm in the hands of some street scum. This is what the law tries to prevent.

Doesn't mean he kept it there all the time. For all we know he could of had a friend over and when he left he called the cops and the gun happened to be there. He might of had it out just for the time being.

[Azusa]

Doesn't mean he kept it there all the time. For all we know he could of had a friend over and when he left he called the cops and the gun happened to be there. He might of had it out just for the time being.

Even if he didn't keep it there all the time what if his house was broken into?

[KingCracker]

Even if he didn't keep it there all the time what if his house was broken into?

LOL seriously? I'm a responsible gun owner so I'm looking at it from my point of view if he had it out in the garage and if I was him i'd be fairly close by. And if someone broke in lol come on, broke into a former SAS members house? You think the crack head would of survived long enough to get the gun?

[Azusa]

LOL seriously? I'm a responsible gun owner so I'm looking at it from my point of view if he had it out in the garage and if I was him i'd be fairly close by. And if someone broke in lol come on, broke into a former SAS members house? You think the crack head would of survived long enough to get the gun?

I was kinda carrying on from the "what if while he was out" scenario.

[KingCracker]

I was kinda carrying on from the "what if while he was out" scenario.

Who knows he could of been home or away not many details on that so. But for me if its in a garage i'm pretty damn close to it that's for sure and to me if hes SAS I think he would have some sense not to leave a gun unattended in a garage surely he has more brains than that.

[TheLegendOfMart]

LOL seriously? I'm a responsible gun owner so I'm looking at it from my point of view if he had it out in the garage and if I was him i'd be fairly close by. And if someone broke in lol come on, broke into a former SAS members house? You think the crack head would of survived long enough to get the gun?

Then he would be looking at a FAR FAR harsher sentence than 2 years if he had killed a burglar with an illegal weapon.

He was overseas on operations, you don't leave a gun out illegal or not in the garage where anyone could get it and did stumble upon it.

[KingCracker]

Then he would be looking at a FAR FAR harsher sentence than 2 years if he had killed a burglar with an illegal weapon.

He was overseas on operations, you don't leave a gun out illegal or not in the garage where anyone could get it and did stumble upon it.

Yeah I forgot you're not allowed to defend yourself in England.Where in the story does it say he was overseas when the gun was found?

[Prince Charming]

Handguns ownership is illegal in the UK because their use is to be judged primarily for wounding/killing other people (whether defensively or otherwise). Shotgun and hunting rifle ownership (with appropriate licensing of course) is legal, because these are considered to have legitimate uses that do not involve shooting people (ergo, hunting). The law is the law, and whether or not we should have legalised handgun ownership in the UK is an entirely different matter. There's very little to this story - the guy broke what is quite a serious law in the UK, he gets jail time. If someone else down the street had broken the same law, they'd also get jail time. Serving in the SAS does not exempt you from this law, and does not change anything. We do not bend laws simply for military service, and any notion to the contrary is ridiculous.

[TheLegendOfMart]

Yeah I forgot you're not allowed to defend yourself in England.Where in the story does it say he was overseas when the gun was found?

The hero sergeant was pulled from secret operations in Helmand

[KingCracker]

Handguns ownership is illegal in the UK because their use is to be judged primarily for wounding/killing other people (whether defensively or otherwise). Shotgun and hunting rifle ownership (with appropriate licensing of course) is legal, because these are considered to have legitimate uses that do not involve shooting people (ergo, hunting). The law is the law, and whether or not we should have legalised handgun ownership in the UK is an entirely different matter. There's very little to this story - the guy broke what is quite a serious law in the UK, he gets jail time. If someone else down the street had broken the same law, they'd also get jail time. Serving in the SAS does not exempt you from this law, and does not change anything. We do not bend laws simply for military service, and any notion to the contrary is ridiculous.

I know that, Still though sad thing that it had to come to this. To me from my background and culture is a B.S law. British people came to the gun threads that involved gun ownership saying how they thought we had lax laws, well i'm stating my opinion on this that I think its too strict and this is what happens.

[Ryoken]

Yeah I forgot you're not allowed to defend yourself in England.Where in the story does it say he was overseas when the gun was found?

The hero sergeant was pulled from secret operations in Helmand when armed police discovered the semi-automatic Glock pistol following a tip-off.

Helmand is in Afghanistan fyi.

[Azusa]

Yeah I forgot you're not allowed to defend yourself in England.Where in the story does it say he was overseas when the gun was found?

Oh no we're allowed to defend ourselves just so long as you're willing to spend years in a gym to gain the power to kill with one punch. Don't get me wrong i am pro-gun im just against the sheer amount some people seem to own and sots that are available to the public i mean Joe average does not need something made for G.I Joe.

[KingCracker]

Helmand is in Afghanistan fyi.

Ok so he was over seas when it was found, solves that question. Didn't know if that place was in England or not apparently not. Anyway if the U.K authorities want to get rid of it they can ship it to me along with the ammo, I will dispose of the ammo in a safe manner :D

Oh no we're allowed to defend ourselves just so long as you're willing to spend years in a gym to gain the power to kill with one punch. Don't get me wrong i am pro-gun im just against the sheer amount some people seem to own and sots that are available to the public i mean Joe average does not need something made for G.I Joe.

The average joe doesn't get rocket launchers and tanks lol. A gun is a gun doesn't matter what it looks like they all do the same thing and that's shoot a bullet through the open end.

[Azusa]

The average joe doesn't get rocket launchers and tanks lol. A gun is a gun doesn't matter what it looks like they all do the same thing and that's shoot a bullet through the open end.

That's odd in the UK you can legally own a Tank just so long as you have a full drivers license.

[KingCracker]

That's odd in the UK you can legally own a Tank just so long as you have a full drivers license.

You can here too but come on now does the average joe own a tank? Nope does a millionair/billionair own tanks, yep. Hardly the average joe. The average joe here has to save up to buy a gun so having a tank is way out of reach and even then the action which makes the tank actually fire has to be demilled I believe. I don't know i'm just an average joe I have no experience with tanks lol.

[Ryoken]

You can actually own a tank in the UK :)

And in the US, in some states you can own rocket launchers, howitzers, etc.. That's just nuts..

In Canada we have no real issues with you own rifles and shotguns for hunting.. [ and defense of Person.. not property, insurance covers that ].. so long as you get licensed [ we are sure you aren't nuts ], and secure the weapons property.

You can even own handguns if you are willing to go through the process..

Gun Control, not Gun Banning..

You can here too but come on now does the average joe own a tank? Nope does a millionair/billionair own tanks, yep. Hardly the average joe. The average joe here has to save up to buy a gun so having a tank is way out of reach and even then the action which makes the tank actually fire has to be demilled I believe. I don't know i'm just an average joe I have no experience with tanks lol.

Actually they aren't that expensive to get second hand.. Cost more to maintain though..

I remember there was guy in London that used to drive around in a Pink tank all the time.. Didn't even have to pay the congestion charges :D