Windows Live Essentials 2012 is out. But should you install it?

By Andrea Borman
in Poll Station

 Share

Will you upgrade to Windows Live Essentials 2011 or 2012?  

183 members have voted

  1. 1. Are you still using Windows Live Essentials 2009?

    • Yes
      2
    • No
      121
    • I use Windows Live Messenger 8.5
      0
    • I use MSN Messenger 7.5
      2
    • I don't use Windows Live Essentials or Messenger.
      25

  2. 2. What do you think of the forced upgrade by Microsoft to WLE 2011 version?

  3. 3. Will you install Windows Live Essentials 2012?


Recommended Posts

Community Regular

KRazpopov

Posted
Posted

Or if you want a super minimal, good looking, and very RAM light client, look into Trillian. It's well worth using.

Actual quote from Borman:

But Trillian I cannot figure out how to use it. And I don't think anybody else can. It is unusable. Andrea Borman.
Grand Master

+pmrd Subscriber²

Posted
  • Subscriber²
Posted

AndreaBorman, did you ever stop and think that the real problem is a couple inches from your computer monitor?

Rising Star

Andrea Borman

Posted
  • Author
Posted

But the mandatory update is only being issued on Messenger.

Not on the other Windows Live Essentials.

Just Messenger.

So you can you can carry on using the Windows Live Photo Gallery 2009,Windows Live Mail 2009 and Windows Live Writer 2009. Or you can even use the Windows Live Photo Gallery2008,Windows Live Mail 2008, and Windows Live Writer 2008, without the Messenger. And all of them work. No problems.

Even with Windows Live Mail 2008 you can send and receive emails.

And you can also use Windows Live Messenger 2009 and earlier versions like 8.5 and MSN Messenger 7.5.If you set Windows Live Messenger 2009 in program compatibility mode for Windows XP. And Windows Live Messenger 8.5 and MSN Messenger 7.5 in program compatibility mode for Windows 2000.

But version 8.5 and 7.5 are no longer supported. And the webcam feature does not work,unless the person you are calling is also using the same version of Messenger.

And I suppose there is a risk of very old versions of Messenger not being secure. As they are no longer supported.

But I don't think there is any risk if using an older version of Windows Live Photo Gallery.So you would be all right using Windows Live Photo Gallery 2009. Or Even Windows Live Photo Gallery 2008,if you want to use it.

Windows Live Mail 2008,is probably okay, although you won't get any new updates. But then we don't get any updates for Outlook Express or Windows Mail either. Do we. Andrea Borman.

Rising Star

Andrea Borman

Posted
  • Author
Posted

A better solution would be for MS to stop releasing new software.

Well it is the wrong timing. This month there have been hundreds of complaints from people about the mandatory July update. To the much hated WLE 2011 version. Now Microsoft go and make an even worse version WLE 2012.

Please tell me this is just a joke what Microsoft are doing. Releasing this WLE 2012 version. Andrea Borman.

Grand Master

devHead

Posted
Posted

I have just read on the Microsoft website that Windows Live Essentials 2012 has just been released by Microsoft.

This comes at a time when only a few weeks ago Microsoft issued a mandatory update in July.To all Windows Vista,Windows 7 and Windows 8 users.Who are still on Windows Live Essentials 2009 version to upgrade to WLE 2011 version. Which is much hated by many Windows users.

And as a result most Windows 7,Windows Vista and Windows 8 users,including me,have refused to upgrade to WLE 2011 version. And have successfully stayed on WLE 2009 version. And some people are using earlier versions of Windows Live Messenger. Windows Live Messenger 8.5 and MSN Messenger 7.5.

But now Microsoft have put out WLE 2012 version. And from the screenshots,it looks even worse than WLE 2011 version. It is more confusing and there is even more of the Ribbon than there was in WLE 2011 version.

And now when you go to the Microsoft website in Windows 7 or Windows 8,you get redirected to the WLE 2012 download page.

Windows Live Essentials 2012 is only for Windows 7 and Windows 8. So you won't have to worry about it if you are on Windows XP or Windows Vista.

And of course you can avoid upgrading to WLE 2012 just like you can WLE 2011.And stay on WLE 2009 version. Which I have done.

So will you install WLE 2012 or not?

Well as for me. I have never upgraded to WLE 2011 version and I have stayed with WLE 2009 version. So I am certainly not going to upgrade to WLE 2012 version. So I am not installing this WLE 2012 NO WAY. I am staying with WLE 2009 version. Andrea Borman.

Andrea Borman, you need to stop posting threads about how much you hate everything that's been released by Microsoft since the beginning of the 21st Century. If you don't want to install any of it and want your operating system to look like some puked up version of Windows XP or Windows 2000, that is your personal choice and you're free to do it. But no one else, save for perhaps a few other equally misguided individuals like yourself thinks these new programs and updates are bad the same way you do. I mean, look at how you have your UI looking. Do you really expect people to take you seriously? Notice the way the voting is going on your silly poll you have up there. Most do not share your opinion and hatred of these updated Microsoft products. That is all.

Rising Star

Andrea Borman

Posted
  • Author
Posted

devHead wrote-

Andrea Borman, you need to stop posting threads about how much you hate everything that's been released by Microsoft since the beginning of the 21st Century. If you don't want to install any of it and want your operating system to look like some puked up version of Windows XP or Windows 2000, that is your personal choice and you're free to do it. But no one else, save for perhaps a few other equally misguided individuals like yourself thinks these new programs and updates are bad the same way you do. I mean, look at how you have your UI looking. Do you really expect people to take you seriously? Notice the way the voting is going on your silly poll you have up there. Most do not share your opinion and hatred of these updated Microsoft products. That is all.

Read the Microsoft Answers Forum on this thread here 32 pages long. And you will see exactly how many people feel about Windows Live Essentials 2011 version.

Here-http://answers.micro...74-52505bbbf290

They don't like WLE 2011 version. And neither do I. That's why we stay with WLE 2009 version.

And Microsoft may have released WLE 2012 version. But nobody will upgrade to it. That's all. I and most people are staying with WLE 2009 version. Andrea Borman.

Community Regular

KRazpopov

Posted
Posted

I just checked out this persons website; those videos are kind of disturbing and what is with the terrorist stuff?

I think she has some kind of mental disorder and needs professional help.

Can we close this thread?

I made the mistake of trying to reason with her in the comments of her "Why are forums being so difficult-part 1" video, specifically her views towards neowin. The reply almost seems as if she didn't read the damned comment. There's just no hope, i tell ya.

I really shouldn't have sat through all three of those videos as well.

And Microsoft may have released WLE 2012 version. But nobody will upgrade to it. That's all. I and most people are staying with WLE 2009 version. Andrea Borman.

Well, I guess I'm nobody then.

Veteran

Farchord

Posted
Posted

Read the Microsoft Answers Forum on this thread here 32 pages long. And you will see exactly how many people feel about Windows Live Essentials 2011 version.

Here-http://answers.micro...74-52505bbbf290

They don't like WLE 2011 version. And neither do I. That's why we stay with WLE 2009 version.

And Microsoft may have released WLE 2012 version. But nobody will upgrade to it. That's all. I and most people are staying with WLE 2009 version. Andrea Borman.

Ever heard of Linux?

Grand Master

Martog

Posted
Posted

Well it is the wrong timing. This month there have been hundreds of complaints from people about the mandatory July update. To the much hated WLE 2011 version. Now Microsoft go and make an even worse version WLE 2012.

Please tell me this is just a joke what Microsoft are doing. Releasing this WLE 2012 version. Andrea Borman.

Wait, hundreds? HUNDREDS? STOP THE SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT RIGHT AWAY. Because hundreds out of millions are the majoirty, right?

Grand Master

devHead

Posted
Posted

Read the Microsoft Answers Forum on this thread here 32 pages long. And you will see exactly how many people feel about Windows Live Essentials 2011 version.

Here-http://answers.micro...74-52505bbbf290

They don't like WLE 2011 version. And neither do I. That's why we stay with WLE 2009 version.

And Microsoft may have released WLE 2012 version. But nobody will upgrade to it. That's all. I and most people are staying with WLE 2009 version. Andrea Borman.

You are wrong. Nearly everybody will upgrade to it. I did, and if you would even bother to look at the poll you created, most everyone here is upgrading and thinks it's a good product. So please stop deluding yourself and posting incorrect information. Most people are not staying with WLE 2009 either. Again, you're wrong. You have no data or anything to back up anything you ever post. It's just your deluded opinions. So stop saying using phrases which include the words "everybody" and "nobody" and "most people". You don't know what you're talking about. Ever.

Grand Master

Martog

Posted
Posted

I'd like to know where the hell she gets here statistics stating that 'we' are still using WLE 2009 and 'nobody' is using WLE 2011 or 2012. Oh that's right, thin air, sorry...

She gets it from anothe forum that is 31 pages long, that is her source, of the hundreds of people that are complaing. A very far cry from the majority of users of WLE. She is part of a minority of people complaing about WLE above 2009.

For the record, I upgraded the same day it came out. Been using 2011 since it came out as well.

Rising Star

Andrea Borman

Posted
  • Author
Posted

The problem is that we like a software and get used to it. And then when they make a new version of the software,it is completely different from the old version.

For example,I stopped using Firefox after they stopped making Firefox 3.6. Because Firefox 4 and above version are not the same as Firefox 3.6

So now I use Pale Moon 3.6 which is the same as Firefox 3.6 and updated regular.

It's the same problem with WLE.WLE 2011 and WLE 2012 is so different from WLE 2009 version that some people don't want to use it.

I don't mind updating my software. But not to a version that is not like the old version. Microsoft should have just made WLE 2011 and 2012 the same as WLE 2009 and previous versions. Not like it is now. Andrea Borman.

Grand Master

Xilo

Posted
Posted

The problem is that we like a software and get used to it. And then when they make a new version of the software,it is completely different from the old version.

For example,I stopped using Firefox after they stopped making Firefox 3.6. Because Firefox 4 and above version are not the same as Firefox 3.6

So now I use Pale Moon 3.6 which is the same as Firefox 3.6 and updated regular.

It's the same problem with WLE.WLE 2011 and WLE 2012 is so different from WLE 2009 version that some people don't want to use it.

I don't mind updating my software. But not to a version that is not like the old version. Microsoft should have just made WLE 2011 and 2012 the same as WLE 2009 and previous versions. Not like it is now. Andrea Borman.

People like you are what stops progress. Grow up and learn to embrace change instead of being a hard-headed old fool stuck in your own ways.

I'm not saying accept all change, but your resistance to change is just appalling.

Grand Master

Boo Berry

Posted
Posted

Enjoy your dinosaur hardware and software then while the rest of the world moves forward...

Also, you probably shouldn't use Windows 8 or 7 for that matter. Perhaps an 'upgrade' to Windows XP is in your future? ;)

  • Lirodon and f0rk_b0mb
  • Like 2
This topic is now closed to further replies.
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • Posts

    • Movavi Video Editor Plus 26.18.0

      By Copernic · Posted

      Movavi Video Editor Plus 26.18.0 by Razvan Serea With Movavi Video Editor Plus, you can either enhance your video files with two or three simple steps, or turn them into something completely new. Create your own movies using multiple filters, transitions, and special effects: show multiple videos on one screen with the Picture in picture effect or change the background with the Chroma Key effect, imitate the camera zoom or make your video look like an old-style movie. Adjust video parameters such as brightness, contrast and colors. Stabilize shaky footage, improve video quality and remove defects. Create video presentations, tutorials or educational videos: add titles and record your own narration to create a video with voiceover. Import video from any source: TV-tuner, webcam, camcorder, or VHS. Drop multiple media files onto a timeline and let your imagination do the rest! Features at a glance: Video and audio editing on a timeline Edit, enhance videos Add background music Apply titles and effects Image quality improvement Hollywood-worthy effects High-grade titles and fades Digitize VHS tapes, record video from TV tuners Stabilize any shaky sections Support for a wide range of formats Prepare your videos for uploading to YouTube, Facebook, Vimeo, or any other website New in Movavi Video Editor 2026: 30+ fresh subtitle styles. Upgrade your automatic captions with new designs. Customize your text in the Styles tab with a single click. Optional advanced settings are also available in the dedicated Design tab. Subtitles in English – instantly! Translate auto-subtitles into English with a click – no dictionaries or online services needed. Once translated, configure and fine-tune the subtitles using the standard editing tools. 40+ adjustable effects. Enhance your videos in a click with new realistic effects – from dust particles and light leaks to retro-style and VHS. Every effect is fully customizable – so it will fit any clip perfectly and bring an extra spark to your edits. Ultra-fast playback. Show more in less time with video speed control of up to 100x. Perfect for epic time-lapses, long process recaps, or whenever you want to add some extra energy to your content. Magnetic zones are marked with dots, and the 1x value is indicated by a vertical line. Silence removal – in a click. Cut out unwanted pauses automatically or fine-tune the pause length and volume threshold yourself. Skip the tedious cleanup and make your videos more dynamic. Fast effect copying. Effortlessly duplicate any effect from one video to another: click Clip effects in the dropdown menu and proceed to copy or paste. Movavi Video Editor Plus 26.18.0 changes: This version includes small improvements for better editing. Download: Movavi Video Editor Plus 26.18.0 | 2.7 MB (Shareware) View: Movavi Video Editor Plus Website | Screenshot Get alerted to all of our Software updates on Twitter at @NeowinSoftware
    • JBL BAR 800 5.1.2 Dolby Atmos soundbar is an amazing deal today

      By hellowalkman · Posted

      JBL BAR 800 5.1.2 Dolby Atmos soundbar is an amazing deal today by Sayan Sen This Amazon Prime Day 2026 sales so far we have had a couple of nice deals related to sound and audio. First we have the Sennheiser HD 600 at its lowest ever price of just $225. Next we also have the Beats Studio Pro at its lowest price ever at just $150. However perhaps you prefer your gear to sound great on a larger scale, like throughout the room. In that case an all-in-one soundbar system can help and currently JBL's BAR 800 is a great deal for sure as it's up for grabs at just $600 (purchase link under the specs table down below). One thing that should be appreciated a lot about these JBL soundbars is their spec sheet and the frequency response data it provides. The firm is honest about it as JBL confirms the subwoofer is able to go down to 35 Hz at -6dB or F6. This means it should be covering 40Hz and up very well, where most of the bass lies. You miss out on a lot of sub-bass but that is to be expected given the price point and the subwoofer driver size. Speaking of which, it is a 10-inch driver and promises a max output power of 300 watts at 1% THD (total harmonic distortion). JBL also claims the system will provide you with a "True Dolby Atmos" experience. The surround speakers are wireless and battery-powered which means setting them up should be really convenient. The technical specs of the JBL BAR 800 are given in the table below: Specification Value Channel Configuration 5.1.2-channel soundbar system Dolby Atmos Yes, with 2 up-firing drivers Total System Power Output 720 W Soundbar Power Output 340 W Surround Speaker Power Output 2 × 40 W Subwoofer Power Output 300 W Soundbar Drivers 3 × 46×90 mm racetrack drivers, 3 × 20 mm tweeters, 2 × 70 mm up-firing full-range drivers Surround Speaker Drivers 1 × 46×90 mm racetrack driver (each speaker) Subwoofer Driver 10-inch (260 mm) wireless subwoofer Frequency Response 35 Hz – 20 kHz (-6 dB) Audio Inputs Optical, Bluetooth, Chromecast built-in, AirPlay, Alexa Multi-Room Music (MRM), USB* HDMI Inputs 1 HDMI video input HDMI Output 1 HDMI eARC output HDCP Version 2.3 HDR Pass-Through HDR10, Dolby Vision Bluetooth Version 5.0 Wi-Fi Version 6, 6E Streaming Services Chromecast built-in, Apple AirPlay, Alexa MRM Get it at the link below: JBL Bar 800-5.1.2-Channel Dolby Atmos soundbar with Detachable Surround Speakers (Black): $599.85 (Sold and Shipped by Amazon US with Prime) Prime subscription can be cancelled within three business days. Good to know This Amazon deal is U.S. specific, and not available in other regions unless specified. We only use first-party seller links (at the time of article publishing); ensure that you purchase from a first-party seller link only. Check out Today's Deals on Amazon | or our recent tech deals. Become a Prime member (for Students or SNAP) via Neowin Get Prime Access - Prime for half price (for qualifying Medicaid, EBT, SNAP) Subscribe to Prime Video, Audible Plus, Music Unlimited or Kindle Unlimited via Neowin As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
    • Microsoft releases PowerToys v0.100.1, fixes a bug that made remapped keys misbehave

      By Ivan Jenic · Posted

      Microsoft releases PowerToys v0.100.1, fixes a bug that made remapped keys misbehave by Ivan Jenic Microsoft just released PowerToys v0.100.1, a patch update that addresses several stability and behavior issues found in v0.100.0. The v0.100.0 patch was a significant update for PowerToys, as it introduced all sorts of new features and additions, such as a rebuilt Shortcut Guide, a Command Palette Extension Gallery, webcam overlay support in ZoomIt, and more. However, the v0.100.0 version also introduced some bugs and stability issues. And now, Microsoft is addressing these issues in the new patch. The most impactful fix in this release perhaps is in Keyboard Manager, where remapped modifier keys were being delivered as system-key events, causing unexpected behavior in apps. The clearest example of this was Alt-to-Backspace remaps, deleting whole words instead of a single character. So, if you thought there was an issue with your keyboard, Microsoft just confirmed that it was PowerToys. Beyond the Keyboard Manager fix, v0.100.1 also addresses several other issues. It fixes a bug with Power Display that was preventing monitors from waking from standby correctly. Additionally, the new update patches Quick Access crashes on launch, and resolves a Shortcut Guide crash that occurred when switching between sidebar sections. Here’s the full changelog: Color Picker Fixed a bug where the main Color Picker window could appear inside the zoomed-in picker view Command Palette Fixed Run history initialization in AOT builds Fixed a bug where the Performance Monitor dock item could show ??? after restart Fixed the Hibernate command using the Sleep icon Limited the "pin to dock" dialog to displays where the dock is enabled Keyboard Manager Fixed modifier keys remapped to non-modifier keys being delivered as system-key events, which caused unexpected behavior in apps such as Alt-to-Backspace deleting whole words Power Display Fixed a bug where selecting On in the monitor power-state control did not wake a monitor from standby Fixed built-in display detection and brightness control on dual-GPU laptops where the internal panel is driven by the discrete GPU PowerToys Run Fixed VS Code Workspaces discovery after VS Code moved recently opened workspace data to shared storage Quick Access Fixed Quick Access flyout crashes caused by unhandled XAML exceptions during launch or page navigation Shortcut Guide Fixed a crash when navigating between Shortcut Guide sidebar sections Fixed number-key rendering in shortcut manifests and added a Postman shortcut manifest Updated bundled shortcut manifests to use the literal number-key token so number keys render correctly across apps ZoomIt Fixed a race condition in audio initialization for ZoomIt video recording You can download PowerToys v0.100.1 from the official GitHub releases page.
    • OBS Studio 32.2.0 Beta 2

      By Copernic · Posted

      OBS Studio 32.2.0 Beta 2 by Razvan Serea OBS Studio is software designed for capturing, compositing, encoding, recording, and streaming video content, efficiently. It is the re-write of the widely used Open Broadcaster Software, to allow even more features and multi-platform support. OBS Studio supports multiple sources, including media files, games, web pages, application windows, webcams, your desktop, microphone and more. OBS Studio Features: High performance real time video/audio capturing and mixing, with unlimited scenes you can switch between seamlessly via custom transitions. Live streaming to Twitch, YouTube, Periscope, Mixer, GoodGame, DailyMotion, Hitbox, VK and any other RTMP server Filters for video sources such as image masking, color correction, chroma/color keying, and more. x264, H.264 and AAC for your live streams and video recordings Intel Quick Sync Video (QSV) and NVIDIA NVENC support Intuitive audio mixer with per-source filters such as noise gate, noise suppression, and gain. Take full control with VST plugin support. GPU-based game capture for high performance game streaming Unlimited number of scenes and sources Number of different and customizable transitions for when you switch between scenes Hotkeys for almost any action such as start or stop your stream or recording, push-to-talk, fast mute of any audio source, show or hide any video source, switch between scenes,and much more Live preview of any changes on your scenes and sources using Studio Mode before pushing them to your stream where your viewers will see those changes DirectShow capture device support (webcams, capture cards, etc) Powerful and easy to use configuration options. Add new Sources, duplicate existing ones, and adjust their properties effortlessly. Streamlined Settings panel for quickly configuring your broadcasts and recordings. Switch between different profiles with ease. Light and dark themes available to fit your environment. …and many other features. For free. At all. OBS Studio 32.2.0 Beta 2 changelog: Beta 2 Changes Fixed a CI deployment issue. There are no application changes since Beta 1. 32.2 New Features Replaced add source dropdown with new dialog [Warchamp7] Improved FPS selector UX [jcm93] Added missing file support for filters [exeldro] Added ability for plugins to set custom icons for new source types [cg2121] Included .webp files when adding a directory to Image Slide Show source [TarunCore] Added copy paste functions to frontend API [exeldro] Added filter to compose SDR into HDR [jpark37] Added delete as a hotkey to delete sources on macOS [PatTheMav] Added dynamic bitrate support to multitrack video [lexano-ivs] 32.2 Changes Forced Intel-based installations to update to Apple Silicon version on macOS [PatTheMav] This change means that OBS Studio versions built for Intel-based Macs but running on Apple Silicon Macs will automatically update to OBS Studio built for Apple Silicon Macs. If an installation was using third-party plugins, those plugins will no longer load until replaced with Apple Silicon versions. Fixed audio mixer state getting out of sync when changing settings via websockets or plugins [Warchamp7] Added theming for checked QToolButtons [glikely] Improved OpenGL performance slightly on low-end machines [kkartaltepe] Set minimum size for color source to 1 pixel [exeldro] Added minimum width to spinboxes [Warchamp7] Disallowed overwriting the crash handler [sebastian-s-beckmann] Applied process mitigation policies for Windows [notr1ch] Adjusted description of multitrack video [jhnbwrs] Changed new capture devices to use fallback frame rate by default [PatTheMav] Improved DLL loading behavior on Windows [notr1ch] Limited multitrack video config to Custom service [PatTheMav] 32.2 Bug Fixes Fixed OAuth and dock state save corruption [PatTheMav] Fixed group bounds not resizing when removing items [howellrl] Fixed canvas mixes not being restored after video reset [dsaedtler] Fixed some erroneous crashes during shutdown [Warchamp7] Fixed display capture sometimes capturing black after a duplicator failure [ThrowTop] Fixed color of controls dock output buttons in System theme [shiina424] Fixed virtual camera reset failures [stephematician] Fixed potential crash when user discards changes in the settings window [suogesi] Fixed incorrect return value in virtualcam filter [xtfo] Fixed source toolbar buttons not working after dragging a source into a group [Warchamp7] Fixed properties hint icon spacing [Warchamp7] Fixed potential crash when a video device reconnects on macOS [jcm93] Fixed an issue where PipeWire could fail on NVIDIA GPUs [hoshinolina] Fixed obs_canvas_get_video_info returning incorrect framerate [dsaedtler] 32.2 Deprecations Deprecated obs_properties_add_button [sebastian-s-beckmann] Download: OBS Studio 32.2.0 Beta 2 | Portable | ARM64 | ~200.0 MB (Open Source) View: OBS Studio Homepage | Other Operating Systems | Screenshot Get alerted to all of our Software updates on Twitter at @NeowinSoftware
    • Microsoft is building an AI datacenter that "uses less water than a fast food restaurant"

      By Slugsie · Posted

      Is a fast food restaurant a good metric to compare against?

  • Recent Achievements

    • One Year In
      OHI Accounting earned a badge
      One Year In
    • First Post
      Almohandis earned a badge
      First Post
    • Rookie
      DaviKar went up a rank
      Rookie
    • Dedicated
      HidekoYamamoto94 earned a badge
      Dedicated
    • One Month Later
      timbobit earned a badge
      One Month Later

  • Popular Contributors

    1. 1
      +primortal
      474
    2. 2
      +Edouard
      172
    3. 3
      PsYcHoKiLLa
      122
    4. 4
      Michael Scrip
      83
    5. 5
      Xenon
      72
    Show More

  • Tell a friend

    Love Neowin? Tell a friend!