Windows 8 Sales are actually Amazing - 40 million sold

[HawkMan]

Then explain to me how I am able to do my job with a mouse, if he is right that the ONLY thing I can do is red eye and color corrections? Did I say I need to be accurate down to the pixel? You can make a design flow nice, but it still needs to look nice too. So yes, accuracy still matters.

So far your job is very ambiguous, since in the last few posts ou e been everything from developer to artist and anything in between, and all the points in the different "jobs" you made to show win 8 don't work for your "job" have so far been shot down as downright wrong or not relevant.

So wha exactly do you do with photoshop, and how can you not do it I Win8, frankly I don't think you've used photoshop for anything professional, nor have you ever seen a line of code, and probably not even tried Win8

From what I've read, none of the tablet styluses have comparable pressure sensitivity resolution or comparable pen functionality. If you know of a tablet that contains a stylus on par with a Wacom and supports 1024-bit pressure sensitivity on the pen tip and eraser, by all means point it out.

-Edit

On that note, it looks like Wacom may resolve the issue on their own since they release their own pens for third party tablets. If one of their stylus' can work on one of the newer high end tablets coming out soon, I'll probably be happy even if the tablet doesn't include a great one. If one of their 2048-bit pressure pens will work, heaven.

Most tablet pc's use a Wacom tablet, the surface pro and pretty much all the other win8 pro tablets use Wacom tablets. In fact even the galaxy notes use Wacom tablets and are compatible with Wacom pens.

[Dot Matrix]

Then explain to me how I am able to do my job with a mouse, if he is right that the ONLY thing I can do is red eye and color corrections? Did I say I need to be accurate down to the pixel? You can make a design flow nice, but it still needs to look nice too. So yes, accuracy still matters.

So, you can use a mouse. So can I... Not sure what you're trying to say here.

[HawkMan]

So far his argument have made no sense, he's only going on about coding, photoshop and a bunch of other things, and how he can't do it on a touch screen... So why.... Windows 8 doesn't magically turn your computer monitor into a touch screen and disable your mouse... What's the argument.

[Dashel]

Ah, the LCD faithful...

[xWhiplash]

So far your job is very ambiguous, since in the last few posts ou e been everything from developer to artist and anything in between, and all the points in the different "jobs" you made to show win 8 don't work for your "job" have so far been shot down as downright wrong or not relevant.

So wha exactly do you do with photoshop, and how can you not do it I Win8, frankly I don't think you've used photoshop for anything professional, nor have you ever seen a line of code, and probably not even tried Win8

I did not say Photoshop (or anything) is unusable in Windows 8, I am just saying that the charms bar is irritating when trying to work on it because I keep activating it. I am just saying that a basic check box would have been great to have. I do not activate the hot corners every time, but it is enough to be an irritation. And I really love the attitude here where if these hot corners are being activated on accident (I mean come on the X button is just a couple of pixels from the hot corner, I do not know why you guys are so shocked that these hot corners are activated on accident), either you SUCK HORRIBLY at using computers or have never used 8.

Yes you are right I am a developer and artist, and everything between. I make my own video games (not the best games out there since I do it on my spare time, but it is more educational than for business). I do the programming, graphics, music, sound effects, and videos. I make my own websites, I am responsible for the programming and web artwork there. I like to make wallpapers, space art, concept art for my games. I have clients that need me to do some Photoshop work on their photos (Not just color correction and red eye). I have clients that need me to design and code a website. I make my own promotional videos so I use After Effects for that. I make video tutorials so I use Camtasia Studio and the Rode Podcaster. I have a podcast so I use Adobe Audition / Garageband to work on the audio.

I am not saying I am the best, far from it. But do not come here and tell me that just because I use a mouse I must suck at Photoshop or only do red eye/color adjustments.

[Dot Matrix]

Ah, the LCD faithful...

Ah, the ad hominems... Must drive you nuts knowing their are techies who actually like Windows 8.

[Dashel]

I like Win8, you guys are just arrogant *******s. (Look at the attitude given to Whiplash) Too bad you aren't even a techie...that you don't have the empathy required is painfully apparent.

[Zlain]

It's a failure just as Vista was.... go back and read the first threads when Vista came out... deja vu...

It took MS almost a year to actually acknowledge that Vista flopped.

I am already seeing Windows 9 or whatever is called coming up next year to correct the mistake that this OS is...

I think to be fair, you do need to wait a good year to see if an OS is a failure. Sales might pick up over X-mas and New years. Sales will also pick up a little over summer when people buy new devices for university and school.

[xWhiplash]

I like Win8, you guys are just arrogant *******s. (Look at the attitude given to Whiplash) Too bad you aren't even a techie...

Agreed. I like Windows 8 too. But when I say ONE thing that I do not like about the OS, people say "You have never used it" or "you just can't use computers then".

In fact, I had to re install my system the other day, so I installed Windows 7. I actually missed Windows 8 so I re installed that.

[Dashel]

Yup, its a consistent pattern of flamebait coming from a choice few that the mods not only ignore, but condone. I'm dumbfounded by the audacity coming from novices with little to no experience to speak of, who largely can't even understand the points being raised, let alone the ramifications faced by anyone actually employed in IT.

[+Warwagon MVC]

Most Pro Windows 8 people have made it abundantly clear that windows 8 has a lot of keyboard shortcuts, which is great. If your hands are already on the keyboard, keyboard shortcuts make a lot of sense.

But if you hand is already on the mouse, it takes more clicks to navigate as apposed to windows 7. Mostly from activating hidden menu's and buttons. Sure they have right click menus, but there again, for one of them you have to jab your mouse into a hidden pixel in the bottom corner of your screen.

[Dot Matrix]

I like Win8, you guys are just arrogant *******s. (Look at the attitude given to Whiplash) Too bad you aren't even a techie...that you don't have the empathy required is painfully apparent.

I'm not a techie? I'm sorry, what?

Most Pro Windows 8 people have made it abundantly clear that windows 8 has a lot of keyboard shortcuts, which is great. If your hands are already on the keyboard, keyboard shortcuts make a lot of sense.

But if you hand is already on the mouse, it takes more clicks to navigate as apposed to windows 7. Mostly from activating hidden menu's and buttons. Sure they have right click menus, but there again, for one of them you have to jab your mouse into a hidden pixel in the bottom corner of your screen.

It's not a chore at all to move my hand from the mouse to the keyboard. We all do it to type, so why is it any different for shortcut keys?

[PGHammer]

I like Win8, you guys are just *******s. Too bad you aren't even a techie...

Besides, last I heard was that Visual Studio 2012 Professional (a serious, and seriously-high-end, programming toolset) works just fine in Windows 8. (I'd know, since I *personally* use it there - and I still have a keyboard and a mouse.)

Next we'll be hearing that you can't use Windows Server 2012 on a tablet. Two words - why not?

(I'm not talking merely using a tablet to remote into Windows Server, but nothing less than a tablet-based Windows server.)

Given hardware support for touch by the OS (and there's no reason why it's impossible), it could, in fact, be done. In fact, it takes depressingly little once the driver support for touch screens is installed in ANY install of Windows Server 2012. (If you merely add the Desktop Experience feature set, touch and stylus support comes along as part of this feature set - and even support for the Windows 8 App Store.)

That's right, IT fans - touch-screens on a *server*.

It's no less possible than touch screens on a refrigerator.

(And contrast that to just five years ago; if someone told you we'd have touch-screens on a refrigerator - let alone a server - you'd have been laughing them out of your building.)

[+Warwagon MVC]

You know an OS was designed for touch first, when the primary way to close an application while inside it, is to grab the top of the app and pull down, emulating a finger swipe. (keyboard shortcuts down count, as most average users don't know them)

[xWhiplash]

You know an OS was designed for touch first, when the primary way close an application while inside it, is to grab the top of the app and pull down, emulating a finger swipe. (keyboard shortcuts down count, as most average users don't know them)

Also when you put a blank CD/DVD in the drive it will say something like "Tap here to see additional options".

[zhangm Supervisor]

"Tap here to see additional options".

What term would you use instead of tap in order to make clear that the element is user-interactive for both mouse and touch users?

[xWhiplash]

What term would you use instead of tap in order to make clear that the element is user-interactive for both mouse and touch users?

Tap or click....like it is in other places like the Help documents.

[Dot Matrix]

You know an OS was designed for touch first, when the primary way to close an application while inside it, is to grab the top of the app and pull down, emulating a finger swipe. (keyboard shortcuts down count, as most average users don't know them)

Or you can just ignore and click out of them... The way they were meant to be "closed".

[Dashel]

Thanks for proving my point PG, but don't let that stop you from off topic ramblings and any other LOUD NOISES you wish to make.

I've forseen the need for a touch abilities on the server for several years now (and lambasted Apple for ignoring that part of the equasion). Its cute you think that would bother me though. Almost as cute as tablet 'servers'.

[zhangm Supervisor]

Tap or click....like it is in other places like the Help documents.

That seems longer than necessary to get the point across that it is an interactive element.

[HawkMan]

Most Pro Windows 8 people have made it abundantly clear that windows 8 has a lot of keyboard shortcuts, which is great. If your hands are already on the keyboard, keyboard shortcuts make a lot of sense.

But if you hand is already on the mouse, it takes more clicks to navigate as apposed to windows 7. Mostly from activating hidden menu's and buttons. Sure they have right click menus, but there again, for one of them you have to jab your mouse into a hidden pixel in the bottom corner of your screen.

The ONLY thing that actually requires more clicks is shutting down and restarting. Now how often away, or week do you do that...

[xWhiplash]

The ONLY thing that actually requires more clicks is shutting down and restarting. Now how often away, or week do you do that...

Once, maybe twice a day.

[+Warwagon MVC]

The ONLY thing that actually requires more clicks is shutting down and restarting. Now how often away, or week do you do that...

Don't forget navigating to the users main profile directory with contacts, favorites and such!.

[spudtrooper]

I can't believe this thread is still going.. how do people have so much time to hate something they apparently will never use?

[HawkMan]

Hmm, explorer jump list on the Superbar.... Or just open explorer and they're all there on the left side ...