Men with assault rifles walk through Portland, 'educate' public

[Richteralan]

The US has almost 18 times the population versus the UK.

18 times ? ROFL? Did you pull that number from your behind?

UK has around 60M population.

US has around 320M population.

60M * 18 = 1080M

Next time, just google. These are public data and easily obtainable and doesn't make you look like a.......

[Hardcore Til I Die]

I think the point he was trying to make is that an AR15 is not an an Assault Riffle

The AR in the AR-15 does not stand for Assault riffle but Armalite named for the company that originally came up with the design.

that is one thing he was trying to make clear.

It doesn't make a difference to my point :p

[theyarecomingforyou]

most due to drugs an alcohol..Not due to carrying a pocket knife..

I fail to see how the UK is a police state for jailing people carrying dangerous weapons when the US jails people for carrying small amounts of harmless drugs. The very argument you used against the UK actually applies more to the US. I like debating stuff with you, as you keep digging a bigger and bigger hole and doing all the work for me.

Okay let us see..... the reason that it is 500% higher is simple because....

The US has almost 18 times the population versus the UK.

The incarceration rate is measured per 100,000 people, like most statistics. It's best not to make assumptions if you don't know what you're talking about.

[redvamp128]

18 times ? ROFL? Did you pull that number from your behind?

UK has around 60M population.

US has around 320M population.

60M * 18 = 1080M

Next time, just google. These are public data and easily obtainable and doesn't make you look like a.......

I did google and google reports the population of England as 53,013,000

[Richteralan]

I did google and google reports the population of England as 53,013,000

OK.

53M * 18 = 954M.

Just stop.

[KingCracker]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

Prisoners per 100,000 people:

US - 730

UK - 154

The number of people in the entire population doesn't matter when they're comparing a sample from each.

Assault rifles, semi-automatic rifles, whatever they are... even walking around with handguns completely in the open is a bad idea.

Personally I wouldn't open carry by myself but if it was for an organized rally and was legal to do so then I would. You reckon someone would start shooting? Wouldn't last long with dozens or other gun owners openly carrying rifles.

[Stokkolm]

from looking at someone, can you tell if he holds a permit or no permit? Under the logic of "criminals will only have guns" then why is there laws for anything?

Open carry is legal in most states. If they're carrying concealed you won't know it anyway, it's when they commit the act that things change and that's when I'll be glad that I'm carrying concealed as well.

[theyarecomingforyou]

You reckon someone would start shooting? Wouldn't last long with dozens or other gun owners openly carrying rifles.

That's incredibly naive! Most mass shooters aren't trying to come out of it alive - it's simply assisted suicide.

[redvamp128]

I fail to see how the UK is a police state for jailing people carrying dangerous weapons when the US jails people for carrying small amounts of harmless drugs. The very argument you used against the UK actually applies more to the US. I like debating stuff with you, as you keep digging a bigger and bigger hole and doing all the work for me.

The incarceration rate is measured per 100,000 people, like most statistics. It's best not to make assumptions if you don't know what you're talking about.

You should also include the whole EU as well as Canada. Then they are more closer than you would think... if I wanted to do the same stat

OK.

53M * 18 = 954M.

Just stop.

904200470

is the US population including territories . So please check your sources I did google and the source that I quoted was the same that also includes territories for the UK. 954M is close to that.. that is why I said About.

and for the UK it said 52305910

Yes I included the territories because the UK also includes territories when they report population.

With the Us population that is not normally counted.

So I added them in.

Not so ignorant as you would think.

[KingCracker]

That's incredibly naive! Most mass shooters aren't trying to come out of it alive - it's simply assisted suicide.

How many people you think he'd kill with dozens of rifles pointed at him? Why doesn't it happen at gun ranges or gun shows? Because they pick easy targets.

When was the last mass shooting at a gun show or range?

[SupportGeek]

That's incredibly naive! Most mass shooters aren't trying to come out of it alive - it's simply assisted suicide.

If it was, why do they kill themselves?

Assisted means they want external help.

Bottom line, they need to start the killing with themselves, then think about where to go after that.

[Empyrean Glow]

It doesn't make a difference to my point :p

I'll break this down for you and try to be as simple as possible; the AR-15 is the semi-auto version of the military M-16 rifle, although most AR-15s now more closely resemble the M-4 carbine in features.

What this means is, that the AR-15 will fire one round each time the trigger is depressed, after the weapon has the intial round manually chambered.

M-16s and variants are more of a long-range weapon, where as the M-4 carbine is a more close-quarters weapon designed primarily for urban combat situations. The military versions will fire in either semi-auto, 3-round burst or full-auto, although the full-auto versions have been mostly phased out.

(I'm ex-military, former weapons instructor and maintainer for Army, Navy and USAF personnel.)

[CJ33]

Same here.

America: where it's illegal to drive above the posted speed limit but you can openly walk around carrying a gun, which can kill people in an instant.

A car can be just as dangerous as a gun.

[Richteralan]

You should also include the whole EU as well as Canada. Then they are more closer than you would think... if I wanted to do the same stat

944200470

is the US population including territories . So please check your sources I did google and the source that I quoted was the same that also includes territories for the UK. 954M is close to that.. that is why I said About.

O my geez.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

http://geography.about.com/od/obtainpopulationdata/a/uspopulation.htm

http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0004997.html

http://www.indexmundi.com/united_states/demographics_profile.html

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004997.html

Please paste the link you got your 944M number. Don't just pull a number from nowhere.

If you include all US territories should the commonwealth countries to be included in UK?

Not sure if I can take you seriously anymore.

[Myrdhinn]

Probably been posted, I gave up reading the whole thing... but to the person that said an AR-15 isn't an auto weapon, well, even me in canackia know those that can convert them to full auto, and really probably your average NRA gun nut can too.

[redvamp128]

O my geez.

http://quickfacts.ce...ates/00000.html

http://www.census.go...w/popclock.html

http://en.wikipedia....e_United_States

http://geography.abo...spopulation.htm

http://www.factmonst...a/A0004997.html

http://www.indexmund...cs_profile.html

http://www.infopleas...a/A0004997.html

Please paste the link you got your 944M number. Don't just pull a number from nowhere.

If you include all US territories should the commonwealth countries to be included in UK?

Not sure if I can take you seriously anymore.

Actually I put it in a spread sheet for populations of US cities for 2012 as well as Territories.. I got it out of my statics textbook.

Wait i see there is a double listing... it repeats one where it also says US+DC so I need to take out 300,000,000

The correct one would be more like 11 times bigger.

[Richteralan]

Actually I put it in a spread sheet for populations of US cities for 2012 as well as Territories.. I got it out of my statics textbook.

You mean your statistics textbook?

[Spartan Erik]

Then the public needs to educate themselves better about what is a legal act and what is not, so that they dont call 911 for no reason.

Those that called to report these guys need to be charged with unlawful use of the 911 services, its for reporting emergencies, not to spam dial because you are scared.

I see the media still doesnt know what an "Assault rifle" is and still tries to label AR-15's as such, idiots.

The public didn't know these individuals had a CHL. If I saw a person with a gun walking up my street, I'd call the cops before even thinking of asking him or her if he/she has a concealed handgun license.

If they wanted to educate people they should have done it in a more organised way, set up an event in the local hall, put out flyers, not walk down the street with weapons strapped to their backs.

Exactly.

You wouldn't mind if, for example, your little daughter would walk near of me and I had a fully charged automatic Rifle on my back ?

Do you know if I am mentally sane ?

I could kill 35 persons in 10 seconds with that thing, you really feel safe ?

The problem with your society is that you're afraid of everything, so afraid of everything you rely on your weapons as a main source of "defence". A Defence you doesn't even need, a need you created to keep your so called "Rights".

Rights that were written 300 years ago when rifle were manually loaded with gun powder.

** My english is not perfect, I know.

I know you mentioned your English wasn't perfect, but your post was very well explained and articulated. Bravo!

[redvamp128]

You mean your statistics textbook?

322,379,703 for the US Population in 2012

52305910 for the UK including territories.

Yes.. but I see where I input an extra values... the correct one should be 600,000,000 less ... so it is about 6 times bigger than the UK. And also it totaled the values.

In the list that I imported it also had at the bottom US+DC in addition to the normal list.

The point is one should compare the Whole EU + Canada when comparing.

Google does not like the word statistics (it keeps saying it is wrong and wants me to correct it) I used spell check.

That and everyone wants to also include in the incarceration rate people who commit minor offenses. People who are in jail less than 60 days. For traffic violations.

I also took out the additional -- 300,000,000 because it says is a variance of Undocumented people living in the US.

[hotdog666al]

Haha, what a joke.

It's very nice not being at the mercy of random people in the street wielding assault rifles "exercising their rights". One of the few perks of this country. :>

[Dane]

Where the hell do you live in PA that it is necessary to carry a gun?

And wherever that is, can I make a recommendation. Move.

I mean seriously. If your area is that bad, time to move somewhere that is not.

And I live in NJ. Sure, there are some bad parts. hell, my place of birth Newark, NJ, is one of them. So you know what I do. Avoid those parts.

So in my 36 years on this planet living in NJ, I have seen a gun pulled out a total of 1 time. That was at some house party in college and dude thought he was being a tough guy. Never seen a gun any other time in my life, and I grew up in Newark, Elizabeth, then central NJ. The first 2 places are not tourist attractions by any stretch of the imagination.

So sorry, I just do not buy it. if you live somewhere that bad, move.

It's not bad at all. My state says we can so I do. I take my rights with me everywhere I go.

[redvamp128]

You mean your statistics textbook?

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It also added 19,000,000 for Undocumented people living in the US. Which would not normally be reported in a census.\

And the numbers are higher in it's list due to the fact that it counts Children which the links you posted do not. So the eventual Corrected total is almost 600,000,000

But the point is still valid-- Comparing a population that is smaller to the greater- yes you may take "samples" but then again someone could say for example there are even less shootings in the US if they only took a sample from Hawaii .

Instead of adding in Chicago or LA.

The point also is that there is now more media coverage and also the total number of shootings also includes Law enforcement as well as verified justified (protection of life) shootings as well.

[GUNNER]

i don't care what the pro-gunners say, any pro-gunner would have been concerned too. I am willing to bet all I own even that any pro-gunner, if walking with their children, would have went in the opposite direction of these 2 gunners. If you say you wouldn't have, I know you are lying.

Would not have bothered me at all. Glad to see this. I work at a gun manufacturing facility, so no I'm not lying. The public is having a knee jerk reaction to what has happened recently. The news and other "informative" places just keep hyping this up.

[KingCracker]

Would not have bothered me at all. Glad to see this. I work at a gun manufacturing facility, so no I'm not lying. The public is having a knee jerk reaction to what has happened recently. The news and other "informative" places just keep hyping this up.

That would be my dream job.

[GUNNER]

That would be my dream job.

Uh yea it's great. Best job I have ever had. Working there 5 years and it's fun.